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 Post subject: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:04 am 
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I'll update this from time to time with suggestions on QBs and games to watch. This isn't a "get rid of Tannehill" thread so please don't make it one. We have about 7 other threads where you can rant or mock Tannehill. Tannehill, a free agent and a prospect can all coexist on the team if need be.

I think one of the biggest things for a college QB is a statement game. You need to show you can do it against top talent.

Today's prospect is Drew Lock out of Missouri. Easily the best arm talent in the upcoming draft, but he's never done it against great competition. Tonight he gets Alabama's defense. His supporting cast isn't great and he's dealt with OC changes.

I've been lukewarm on Lock. I've feared he is a system QB who will get crushed when the game speeds up at the NFL level. This year however he has shown better accuracy and the ability to not be a single read QB. His receivers let him down quite a bit.

Last week's honorable mentions are Ryan Finley and Clayton Thorson. Both had solid games against tough defenses in Boston College and Michigan State. Finley is the most accurate senior QB while Thorson continues to keep a garbage team competitive. When I see either having a big game on their plate I'll add it to the thread.

I've now read three analysts who describe him as Derek Carr coming out of Fresno St, except Carr was more of a fiery leader whereas Lock is on the quiet side. If he is Carr-like then I'm on board.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:57 am 
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jammer wrote:
Last week's honorable mentions are Ryan Finley and Clayton Thorson. Both had solid games against tough defenses in Boston College and Michigan State. Finley is the most accurate senior QB while Thorson continues to keep a garbage team competitive. When I see either having a big game on their plate I'll add it to the thread.


I really like my NC State's QB Finley, but I don't see him being more than a backup at the NFL level. Hopefully I am wrong. Tone and I had this same argument about Jacoby Brissett. I've been fortunate to see some good QB talent here at NC State. Phillip Rivers and Russell Wilson clearly had that "IT" factor here at NC State. Glennon and Brissett were good college QBs, but I didn't see anything really special about them as far as NFL talent. It was a little hard to evaluate Brisset because our OL was not very good while he was QB here. They were both good college QBs. I will say that Finley has been able to carry this offense this year which is something that Brissett and Glennon didn't do. He has taken a step forward this year, and he prevented a total 4th quarter collapse last week with some gutsy play against a BC team which has owned us over the past several years.

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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:06 am 
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And Lock failed on an epic level. This is a very frustrating year to need a QB.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:10 am 
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Big Dave wrote:
I really like my NC State's QB Finley, but I don't see him being more than a backup at the NFL level. Hopefully I am wrong. Tone and I had this same argument about Jacoby Brissett. I've been fortunate to see some good QB talent here at NC State. Phillip Rivers and Russell Wilson clearly had that "IT" factor here at NC State. Glennon and Brissett were good college QBs, but I didn't see anything really special about them as far as NFL talent. It was a little hard to evaluate Brisset because our OL was not very good while he was QB here. They were both good college QBs. I will say that Finley has been able to carry this offense this year which is something that Brissett and Glennon didn't do. He has taken a step forward this year, and he prevented a total 4th quarter collapse last week with some gutsy play against a BC team which has owned us over the past several years.


Its tough to gauge. If the juniors decide to stay in school there really isn't a guy who is throwing more accurately than Finley. Is this like the 2013 draft all over again where you had EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, Mike Glennon and Landry Jones? Lots of misplaced hype and all have proven not to be starters.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:18 am 
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This week's QB prospect is Nate Stanley from Iowa. He faces a pretty good defense in Maryland which is a test you want to see for a young QB.

Stanley is only a junior but he is getting serious attention from scouts. He's big (6'4 240 lbs), good arm and mobile. He operates a pro style offense and has Iowa at 5-1 on the season. He is also a team captain and supposedly a very good locker room leader.

I've read some scouts have a Day 2 grade on him now if he were to declare for this draft.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:46 pm 
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Ok, I'll throw one more out there for fun. Michigan QB Shea Patterson takes on Michigan State who has a solid defense.

I was not a Patterson guy coming into the season because he looked like another Johnny Manziel who runs too soon. But Patterson has quietly put together a really nice season under Harbaugh. He was a 5 star recruit who left Mississippi last year after all of their scandals took the program down.

Patterson has looked much more like a pocket passer this year. He's on the smaller side (6'2 210 lbs) but he has a strong arm and looks pretty darn accurate. I like that he's playing in Harbaugh's offense and not some gimmicky spread scheme. His scrambling ability is really impressive.

He's only a junior so it is possible he stays another year, but with the senior crop looking blah teams will give him a strong look.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:58 am 
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Apparently Omar Kelly agrees with me that Nate Stanley is a guy to watch. Tweeted last night that in viewing the Iowa-Indiana game he really liked what he saw from Stanley.

Again, with how weak the senior crop is at the top it might be tempting for a few if these juniors to enter and be either Round 1 or early Day 2 picks.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:14 am 
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SI's latest Mock Draft has the Dolphins going after a defensive lineman. We do hold a high value on pass rushers, and Charles Harris has not played up to expectations.

SI wrote:
20. Miami: Zach Allen, DL, Boston College
Allen has the speed to be a pass-rush talent but is also sound as a run defender. He had 100 total tackles last season.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/17/mock- ... -giants-qb



Back on topic, here are the QBs mocked in the first round. Thoughts?

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1. N.Y. Giants: Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon
While no quarterback in the 2019 class is a lock for the top spot, the 6' 6" Herbert has made his case this season, drawing comparisons to Marcus Mariota and Carson Wentz. Scouts love Herbert’s size, athleticism, and arm.

9. Tampa Bay: Drew Lock, QB, Missouri
Lock is a rare four-year starter who has improved each season, and this year he is preparing in a more pro-style offense. Tampa Bay seems to have reached a breaking point with Jameis Winston, who has been unreliable on and off the field.

14. Jacksonville: Will Grier, QB, West Virginia
Games like the past two weeks are why the Jaguars can’t be satisfied with Blake Bortles as their only option under center.

27. L.A. Chargers: Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State
It’s time to finally draft Philip Rivers’s successor. Ohio State’s single season starter fits the bill.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:43 am 
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Problem is we don't know if Herbert and Haskins will enter the draft. Grier is a Day 2 type due to arm strength. Maybe he is another Andy Dalton? Lock has the tools to be a 1st Rounder but man is he inconsistent.

I don't think Miami will reach for a QB in RD1 unless they love the guy. Grier or Thorson in RD2 is a nice risk because it gives the guys time to sit and learn. I'd still love to see if Luke Falk can build up his arm strength


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:29 am 
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Ben Albright, who is very good with QB evaluation and has good sources in the scouting community, said in no order the best options are Lock, Haskins, Herbert and Finley. He named Nick Fitzgerald (Miss St) and Tyree Jackson (Buff) as 2-3 year developmental guys he'd look at.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:11 am 
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I should just stop doing this because I'm now 0 for 3. Neither Stanley nor Patterson really stood out yesterday. Both won and made some plays, but didn't have statement games.

Now Jason La Canfora is reporting there are strong signals that Justin Herbert will stay at Oregon because he wants to win there and his younger brother joins the team next year.

This is becoming the 2013 draft in terms of QB prospects. Yeesh.


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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:39 pm 
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We have 2 great ones right now.
Dont think we will be drafting high enough anyway for a QB.

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 Post subject: Re: QB Prospect Watch
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Big Dave wrote:
I really like my NC State's QB Finley, but I don't see him being more than a backup at the NFL level. Hopefully I am wrong. Tone and I had this same argument about Jacoby Brissett. I've been fortunate to see some good QB talent here at NC State. Phillip Rivers and Russell Wilson clearly had that "IT" factor here at NC State. Glennon and Brissett were good college QBs, but I didn't see anything really special about them as far as NFL talent. It was a little hard to evaluate Brisset because our OL was not very good while he was QB here. They were both good college QBs. I will say that Finley has been able to carry this offense this year which is something that Brissett and Glennon didn't do. He has taken a step forward this year, and he prevented a total 4th quarter collapse last week with some gutsy play against a BC team which has owned us over the past several years.


I think I am right about Finley. He had a lot of trouble with Clemson's elite defense, which should drop him out of any Heisman talk. He's not going to deveolop into anything better than what we have on the roster ... if that. I just don't see him anywhere close to a Phillip Rivers or Russell Wilson.

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