Yeah right... LMAO!!!!

The hyperbole does nothing but stir up people. Most everyone one here realized that RT is the best QB this team has had in a long time....Pennington included. However, I do think people are over sensitive to any criticism the guy receives. It is time to let him air it out 50 times next Sunday and see what he can do. That's what people mean by taking the training wheels off. He isn't going to learn by running the ball 75% of the time on first down. Miami has nothing to lose. Start Matthews, egnew and let see where things shake out.

NE and every defense Miami faces doesn't defend the deep ball. They sit on all the short stuff and dare this team to throw deep. 1-4 over the last 5 weeks says that's worked out pretty well.

Apparently you watched the game with your eyes closed.

My post was intended to be humorous. It requires a sense of humor.

GET SOME.

I think training wheels also means the reluctance to constructively criticize the man. He's going to face the same questions that everyone else before him did when it comes to making those handful of plays that normally decides games. The same questions Matt Moore failed to answer last year. We're 12 games in already, with a guy who had 2 years previous experience running this offensive system. He's processing less out there than the average rookie QB from that standpoint.

Maybe it is your lack of talent in the comedy arena that is the issue...

Maybe, but I'm willing to bet it is more attributable to the reading comprehension impaired.

I agree....I don't know about 200, but I agree with your point.

With so few opportunities for big plays because of their lack of weapons, those couple that you do get you HAVE to hit on. Ryan didn't yesterday. Disappointing.

Now that was funny.

Nope, but did miss parts here and there, so I went back and read the play by play.
Hartline had 3 deep(20+) passes incomplete, one in the last 1:10 of the 4th. 2 of his incomplete were short. So had Tanehill thrown the ball better he would have had 5 more catches, even if in the perfect game where every pass is right on the money at an avg of 16.8 yard per catch in his 5 catches he may have had 160 yards..

Hartline was targeted 10 times. Now you can say Tannehill just didn't look for him, but he has been his hot read all year so that's unlikely.

I think there is a little more involved in the big picture than just accuracy.... Maybe I am wrong, but I just dont see some great team out there struggling because of one guy....

And Hartline had 245 with only 1 TD, no chance he would have 2 or 3... (thats sarcasm lol)

When in the hell did I say Tanny didn't look for him?

You speak as if 160 yards is pedestrian and as if it changes how those deep balls would've impacted the game. Yes, 2-3 touchdowns if he's led without being overthrown. Two on deep balls, one when we were in the redzone and Tanny missed him in the back of the endzone.

Sarcasm all you want. I mentioned nothing about a team struggling because of one man. You made up that argument. I fully placed a share of the blame on two catastrophic special teams miscues, but at the end of the day we're all waiting on Tanny to take advantage of those handful of plays that decide games .... especially vs. the caliber of a team like the Patriots. I'm not one of these people expecting us to field an unstoppable offense where players are open by 5 yards every single down and the O-ineman never get beat. People can rail on the "weapons" all they went, but the weapons we did have gave us a chance in this Pats game.

Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking to literally. My apologies to swerve13 for misunderstanding your post.

Oh No, Eli just missed on his second deep pass in the 1st quarter....He'll never make it in this league

Scoreboard, Eli two Super Bowls. Eli already has made it and it's no wonder nobody will even care if he missed a deep ball. That's what happens when you earn that kind of trust.

lol Thank you. I like it when you talk sexy. ; )

lol Thank you. I like it when you talk sexy. ; )

LOL! He did say candy and butt.

your words. Not mine.

I did not say you did. I said you could make that argument. Your argument is fantasy world where every pass is perfect.


Hey if it makes you sleep better thats great.
But even the great QB's and the greatest QB performances of all time come with incomplete passes. Most QB's are between 50 - 70%, so no chance with Hartline targeted 10 times he catches all 10, even on a great day he misses 2 or 3. Its just football...

Every NFL media outlet that speaks of the Dolphins will tell you the same thing, # 1 priority is WR, we are not just weak at the position, the position barely exists. Bess & Hartline, that is our WR crew. Its not an excuse, its a fact.
I am not saying they suck as WR's, I am saying you cant win in this league with 2 WR's. And my belief is backed by our record...

You can argue all you want, but its not an excuse, its a fact... This team is weak at the WR position.

I’ve always thought this: Really great quarterbacks make those around him better.

This is what some of us have been saying for weeks and now the OC, Sherman validates it. Like said in another post regarding the Skins, Colts, and Hawks. The QB changed those teams around from losing seasons to playoff teams right now. Rookie or not, RT needs to start making plays. Some of the arguments I've heard is that RT is as "talented" as those guys. Why draft him then? You need that kind of "talent" to succeed in this league. Like SHerman said, the book is still to be written on RT.

The quality of the other players around Hartline has nothing to do with Tanny missing 3 big game changing plays where Hartline had his man legitimately beat. Sorry fella. Keep spinning the excuse cycle all you want.

Yeah, you know me Rock. I'll defend Tannehill as much as I can possibly do (fairly)....but missing an open guy with a clean pocket is bad no matter how you spin it.

Given that he's made those throws all season, I'm not really that concerned. But those 2 misses killed us.

Yes, a wide receiver may be targetted 10 times in a game and only catch 6 or 7, but that may be because he was targetted 3 or 4 times while well covered.

In the two cases with the deep throws, Hartline was far from well covered and those should have been completed. There is no excuse and even Tannehill puts those plays all on his shoulders.

I can forgive him for the throw where Hartline caught it out of the back of the endzone. I prefer that throw to go too far than too short and get picked. With the lack of space that is a tough throw so I am not going to get on Tannehill's case about that one, but the two deep throws where there to be had and he screwed the pooch.

Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise.

On the second deep throw to Hartline, Brian was supposed to come back on his route, but once he had beaten the defender clean he decided to run down the field. Tannehill says his feet were set to throw short and just didn't get enough on the throw.

So an argument could be made that he doesn't deserve too much blame for that one.

You bring up a good point, often times our offense requires the quarterback and the receiver to make reads on the play. Sometimes the receiver makes the wrong read and the quarterback throws it incomplete as a result. Watching it on TV it looks like the quarterback misfired. There was a clear example of that when Bess cut to the inside and Tannehill threw it outside in yesterdays game. In this instance, it sounds like Hartline and Tannehill were seeing the play differently. But regardless, Hartline straight dropped a pass that was right in his breadbasket. With regards to the one in the back of the endzone, I'll agree that it was a very difficult catch, but the fact that Hartline got one foot down and failed to get the other down makes me question whether or not he was focusing so hard on the catch that he failed to get the other foot down. I personally think that if the receiver can get both hands on the ball and get one foot down, then he should be able to get the other down as well. I saw Reggie Wayne make that same catch with relative ease against us earlier this year.

Well enjoy grabbing at those straws where if one or two plays went differently we would have won...
Because Brady over threw his WR's and they won...

Its pretty common knowledge, ESPN, NFLN, and every other place I watch NFL shows all seem to agree, there is a void left unfilled at the WR position this year...

When Cunningham, Moore, Wallace, Ocho Cinco, Armstrong, Gafney, Gates etc, suddenly emerges as a stars on some other team I may be able to believe that a great QB will make them better. But until then I will just see it as it is, poor evaluation of talent. Or bad coaching....

Still has absolutely nothing to do with what transpired in the Patriots game ..... unless it's a blowout, these games always come down to executing a handful of important plays/moments. You can rant on and on all you want about the talent among the rest of the unit. Regardless of that supposed "void" we still had plays out there that should've been made that would've turned the tide of the game.

I can see how this is going to go for a while .... some will ignore the existence of opportunity that was actually out there on the field, simply because we're not trotting out some high profile WR.

Well enjoy grabbing at those straws where if one or two plays went differently we would have won...

Actually, yes, in today's NFL 1 or 2 plays makes a huge difference between winning and losing. Ask Wilson for running into the kicker that was worth 7 points.

Supposed void? We traded a 1000 yard probowl WR that played with Bess and Hartline... That is not a supposed void, its a real one. Unless there is someone I am missing out there on Sundays

1 or 2 plays made better and we could have won this game, and at least 2 others...

What does that mean? Is Tannehill not a good QB? Are we wasting our time? Should we add QB to the list of needs this off season?

After the Houston game he was never going to be able to get a pass over the line.

Look everyone, it's Captain Exaggeration!

Did you hear me say we needed to add a QB? That is Mak's suggestion and I could understand the pro's of drafting a QB later on to develop behind Tanny. Coaches talk about the handful of impact plays that decide games .... we witnessed a few of them that could've changed our fate. It's really not difficult to understand unless it's your expectation that this team come out and shallack everyone in their path because we're "loaded with talent!!!!"

Regardless WTF games are you watching? We're about to have two receivers eclipse 1,000 yard seasons. First time since the Mark's Brothers. If the core was as desolate as you make it sound, those guys would be blanketed and we'd be talking about two receivers combining for 1,000 yards. It's a helluva step in the right direction. Not only do they display great chemistry with Tanny, but they are playing their collective butts off in the face of unappreciative people like yourself who seem to think adding a big name to the core solves all the problems. It's a double-edged sword when it comes to that because while the chemistry is high, Tanny is also going to have to learn to spread it around a little more. Get out of the comfort zone. That does not mean I'm against adding more talent to the unit. That goes without saying.

I can only imagine the excuses I would get from you if it were Greg Jennings running the routes Hartline did on Sunday and Tanny missed him. You'd prolly byotch that he wasn't tall enough to catch the passes.

You will have something new next week...Moore lost the job in camp

FORUM BEHAVIOR FOR TOOLS 101: If someone disagrees with you, immediately derail the conversation by making comments about the individual poster.

Fixed.

I'll be looking for your "it was the one-armed man's fault" explanation next week.

Your right, we are stacked at the WR positon and only loose because Tannehill cant throw

When you can quote me using the phrase "stacked at the WR position" I'll concede to your imaginary argument.

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I was being sarcastic because if you read our back and forth you will see we actually agree on most things.
I am not saying Tannehill throws the best ball and its perfect. I know he needs work, I assumed he needed it all along. I am also not saying Bess and Hartline are not good WR's that get open and make plays. And yes, a little less on one pass last week and we may have won it.. I am not going to cry over spilled milk when I figured the season was a wash before kick off...

You made a comparison to the Marks brothers. Here is a great comparison as I see it...



1984 Dolphins had 5018 yards of passing offense. The Marks brothers combined for 2695 of that, not just impressive its down right amazing when you consider this...
The rest of the player catching balls combined for another 2323 passing yards, and they had just under 2000 yards rushing..

So while your comparison is nice and all, your missing my point completely. Bess and Hartline combine for 2000 yards this year is impressive. And I agree its a step in the right direction. See thats my whole beef with this nit picking of a couple bad throws by the kid. He has taken two guys to a level they have never been before. Its fun to watch..

My beef is this, right now the rest of our passing offense is on pace for 1000 yards as well, a big difference from the 1984 team..

So whats the problem?
If its Tannehill then why are Bess and Hartline having career years? Same goes both ways, if they were not good WR's then why are they so good with a rookie.
The problem I see is not Bess, Hartline or Tannehill.
Its other players struggling to get active in the passing game. And the blame goes on whoever thought it was a good idea to trade Marshall, and replace him with Ocho Cinco, and not draft a WR until the later rounds....

I wasn't comparing Bess/Hartline's years to the 1984 Miami Dolphins WR unit. I'm saying having two WR's eclipsing 1,000 in the same season hasn't been done since the Mark's Brothers did it. Big difference. Just admit you never expected to see it happen based on how we all felt about the WR's before the season began.



Again, your litmus test of the 1984 season is outrageous. How many offenses have seen production like that besides the Vikings/Patriots/Saints?

I understand that we need to add another piece to the puzzle. My argument to you is that in the past you talked as if the passing offense is destitute because of the pieces already there and have severely understated the production of Bess/Hartline this year. It's pretty clear they're playing their asses off and they have great chemistry with our QB.

I myself don't expect this abundance of wide open receivers streaking untchouched every play. I just want my team to execute when the plays are out there on the field like on Sunday vs. the Pats. What good would it be to have more talent if we're not executing with the ones we already have?

From what I've watched, Tanny relies heavily on his chemistry with two guys. I think as a "growth" mechanism he needs to learn to work in the other players to see if they can produce. Matthews has the lone few times he through him the ball. Clay the last few weeks has shown he can.

Well played. Love the irony.