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 Post subject: Tanny and Rashad
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Two players that stood out and have been standing out. Rashad Jones and Tanny played out of their skulls today. They are ballers and will be pretty good players.

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Tannehill was terrible...

What game were you watching?



Oh cause he missed on two throws? Yeah, Tom Brady was horrific too then...

Get real. Tanny was the only one making plays.

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Tannehill wasn't as accurate as you would have liked. But other than that, he was safe with the football and had a couple of nice scrambles.


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Tannehill was 13 for 29 186 yards. No TD no Picks. 66.2 rating. 3 sacks.

5 for 19 yards rushing and a TD.


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He definitely didn't take a step back.
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He didn't just miss 2 throws...He was inaccurate all day and slow to make his reads.

He took a step back today.

Took a step back? Really? He did some good things & some back things. He did not do one thing to discourage anyone with his development. Its not a weekly step forward, step back type thing.


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Jones has been awsome this year...He is a budding star


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Tannehill played hard, but his accuracy was poor today. He overthrew Hartline early, then in the 4th quarter with Hartline alone streaking downfield for a sure TD Tannehill severely under threw him. Yuck. He was bailed out on other poor throws by the receiver.....Clay's catch of a ball thrown well behind him comes to mind immediately.

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He didn't just miss 2 throws...He was inaccurate all day and slow to make his reads.

He took a step back today.



Hmmm I wonder if you need to be added to those other 3 or 4? : )


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The defense kept the game close. Tannehill and the offense left much to be desired. Tannehill missed big plays, fumbled and took some sacks he did not have to take. I know he took a hit for that fumble, but you didn't see Brady coughing it up when he took some good shots today.

Oh....I also think Martin needs to stay in the LT spot. He gave up a sack on a mental error, but did very well otherwise once he took over for Long.

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He didn't just miss 2 throws...He was inaccurate all day and slow to make his reads.

He took a step back today.



Hmmm I wonder if you need to be added to those other 3 or 4? : )

I'm still fully confident he's the franchise. But he had a bad day today. If he makes the plays he usually would have made, and needed to make today, we're right in this thing.


Good points PR , but by saying he is the franchise are you saying he certainly deserves to be the QB for the next few years because he has earned that right because of his play or are you saying by the franchise that he is clearly gonna be a Brady , Favre , Manning , etc.
I think what he has shown so far he has earned the right to eliminate any QB controversy for the next season.


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When the guy starts putting up more W's than L's, and throws more TD's than INT's, then it will be time to anoint him "the guy.". He gets a pass this year because he is a rookie and the team decided to start him with a lackluster receiving corps.

Look though....3rd round pick Russell Wilson is winning games with a pretty poor supporting cast. Luck is probably going to take last year's losers to the playoffs. Even Kaepernick is putting up wins (with a lot of help from that D). Tannehill is not the man quite yet. Some things to like about the guy, but we need more from our QB than we are getting right now.

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Tannehill missed on 2 bombs today that hurt, but there were drops and too many times when the line gave him time an nobody got open. Goes back to needing more help in the offseason. We're lookin fine going into an offseason with tons of picks and money. We're in the best position we've been in in a decade.

Keep riding Tannehill's athleticism. If the defense is scared of his legs, receivers will find it easier to get open.


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When the guy starts putting up more W's than L's, and throws more TD's than INT's, then it will be time to anoint him "the guy.". He gets a pass this year because he is a rookie and the team decided to start him with a lackluster receiving corps.

Look though....3rd round pick Russell Wilson is winning games with a pretty poor supporting cast. Luck is probably going to take last year's losers to the playoffs. Even Kaepernick is putting up wins (with a lot of help from that D). Tannehill is not the man quite yet. Some things to like about the guy, but we need more from our QB than we are getting right now.



are you kidding, those teams all have better offenses than we do.


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When the guy starts putting up more W's than L's, and throws more TD's than INT's, then it will be time to anoint him "the guy.". He gets a pass this year because he is a rookie and the team decided to start him with a lackluster receiving corps.

Look though....3rd round pick Russell Wilson is winning games with a pretty poor supporting cast. Luck is probably going to take last year's losers to the playoffs. Even Kaepernick is putting up wins (with a lot of help from that D). Tannehill is not the man quite yet. Some things to like about the guy, but we need more from our QB than we are getting right now.



are you kidding, those teams all have better offenses than we do.


Could it be because their QB's are better? The QB position is important.

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Could it be because their QB's are better? The QB position is important.

Uh oh, maybe, just maybe.


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Not sure Russell has a poor supporting cast. Good O-line, top 5 rusher, Sidney Rice, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin are a decent trio at WR...great defense. A lot more than Tannehill has.

That said, Wilson is out playing Ryan right now. No question.


So is RG3 and Luck.


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FrustratedFinFan wrote:
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When the guy starts putting up more W's than L's, and throws more TD's than INT's, then it will be time to anoint him "the guy.". He gets a pass this year because he is a rookie and the team decided to start him with a lackluster receiving corps.

Look though....3rd round pick Russell Wilson is winning games with a pretty poor supporting cast. Luck is probably going to take last year's losers to the playoffs. Even Kaepernick is putting up wins (with a lot of help from that D). Tannehill is not the man quite yet. Some things to like about the guy, but we need more from our QB than we are getting right now.



are you kidding, those teams all have better offenses than we do.


Could it be because their QB's are better? The QB position is important.


no, Kapernick makes more mistakes than Tanny. Tannehill beat Russell Wilson. Luck is just great.


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He definitely didn't take a step back.
PERIOD.


Debate won since you ended it with PERIOD.

Way to use Phins Rock's tricks against him.

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He definitely didn't take a step back.
PERIOD.


Debate won since you ended it with PERIOD.

Way to use Phins Rock's tricks against him.


Gives whole new meaning to winning the PR game.


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The defense kept the game close. Tannehill and the offense left much to be desired. Tannehill missed big plays, fumbled and took some sacks he did not have to take. I know he took a hit for that fumble, but you didn't see Brady coughing it up when he took some good shots today.

Oh....I also think Martin needs to stay in the LT spot. He gave up a sack on a mental error, but did very well otherwise once he took over for Long.


You can't blame Tannehill for fumbling when he was hit during the throw. He had already cocked the ball back and was going through his throwing motion when he got hit. In my mind, the offensive lineman needed to do a better job protecting him in that scenario.

Also, I don't blame Martin for the sack, he had beaten the defenders first and second move before he gave up that sack. Tannehill had plenty of time to throw the ball. That was a pressure sack. The receivers didn't get open and Tannehill didn't throw it away in time.


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Tannehill missed on 2 bombs today that hurt, but there were drops and too many times when the line gave him time an nobody got open. Goes back to needing more help in the offseason. We're lookin fine going into an offseason with tons of picks and money. We're in the best position we've been in in a decade.

Keep riding Tannehill's athleticism. If the defense is scared of his legs, receivers will find it easier to get open.


You can confidently take it to the bank that we will manage to have a piss poor offseason with the amount of ammunition we got, it's going to be like Helen Keller behind the barrel man. We may hit on 1 or 2 guys, but we'll miss on 80% of them, it's a trend and they have yet to prove me otherwise.

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Tannehill played hard but he left a ton to be desired today. I think part of it had to do with him not wanting to make a mistake throwing the ball, seemed a bit tentative. Has to be fearless and accept mistakes in the developing phase. A lot of his throws were unacceptable. Fins had a chance to make a statement with a big upset the way the defense played today.

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Tannehill needs a Witten or a Gronk. It's a glaring need.


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Tannehill needs a Witten or a Gronk. It's a glaring need.


What QB doesn't need that?

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Tannehill needs a Witten or a Gronk. It's a glaring need.


What QB doesn't need that?



the good teams have these mismatch tight ends


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You know when we loose its all his fault and his play is diminishing...


Just how the world looks through some peoples eyes, its not even worth arguing about anymore.. This site is like a bickering session...

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He did some good things & some back things. He did not do one thing to discourage anyone with his development. Its not a weekly step forward, step back type thing.


I thought he played pretty decent, but the offense sputters a lot. You can't totally blame it on the OL, although they do make his job challenging. He missed two deep passes where the receivers were wide open, but it was encouraging to see him notice them open and try to hit them. I think he's going to be a really good player for us. I like a lot of what I see from him in his first year.

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This site is like a bickering session...


I believe that is what a messageboard is. We are pointing out what went wrong in the loss.

You know when we loose its all his fault and his play is diminishing...

No one said it's all RTs fault. We lost as a team today and we are discussing the issues.


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This site is like a bickering session...


I believe that is what a messageboard is. We are pointing out what went wrong in the loss.

You know when we loose its all his fault and his play is diminishing...

No one said it's all RTs fault. We lost as a team today and we are discussing the issues.

I was being sarcastic as far as "all his fault"

I do understand your point, this is a discussion board and the purpose is for us to discuss things with the Dolphins. So people have the right to join in and speak their mind..

Just seems like I heard all this before, like after every game the same discussion ensues over where RT stands.. I suppose its just par for the coarse when starting a rookie QB...

Its all good....

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I was being sarcastic as far as "all his fault"

I do understand your point, this is a discussion board and the purpose is for us to discuss things with the Dolphins. So people have the right to join in and speak their mind..

Just seems like I heard all this before, like after every game the same discussion ensues over where RT stands.. I suppose its just par for the coarse when starting a rookie QB...

Its all good....


No worries, I just think that we are all so frustrated year in and year out. I get patience, but darn, enough is enough. Seattle, Colts, Redskins, they are all winning with rookie QBs and are in the mix and of coursem we are not.


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Seattle, Colts, Redskins, they are all winning with rookie QBs and are in the mix and of coursem we are not.


The difference is that those teams were more "in the mix" in recent years than the Dolphins.

We have a long way to go from a talent perspective before we can be there.

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The difference is that those teams were more "in the mix" in recent years than the Dolphins.


I believe that the Hawks won 5, Colts won 2, and Skins won 7. Hardly in the mix. I might be off by a game or 2 but the point is that they have added a QB and are potential playoff teams while we con't to suck. We find ways to lose games, whether its a botched punt, a defensive mistake, Not hitting deep throws or switching out RBs when one is hot and one is not.


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No worries, I just think that we are all so frustrated year in and year out. I get patience, but darn, enough is enough. Seattle, Colts, Redskins, they are all winning with rookie QBs and are in the mix and of coursem we are not.


Oh trust me I am with you on that one.. Got old a while ago...

I just think there are some other glaring issues with this team, and it just seems that RT is expected to perform miracles.
We have a weak WR group, as far as I see it we have 2 when most teams have 4+ that contribute. And our RB's/TE's are not picking up any slack in the passing game. Possibly because the line is so pathetic they cant block a 3 or 4 man rush so the TE's and RB dont make it past the line, which also makes me realize why we cant run...

Our defense looks half good, can stuff the run on most teams, but still cant shut teams down completely. And seem to love giving up passing yards all day. Having soo many 3 & outs on offense may be contributing to that...

Just seems there is plenty to talk about, yet each week the topics are all on a couple plays he made/did not make...

To me our priority this off season is looking pretty tough.. We need a couple WR's, TE, CB, S, T, G...
It looks to me like alot of players are struggling to find chemistry in the passing game..
Not sure how others look at it, but its RT's 5th year in Shermans system, I do not think he is having trouble learning the routes.. Specially being he use to run them as a WR..
Reggie is out of sync in passing, saw that yesterday which is making me understand why he isnt on more screens...

Seriously I could go on and on with all the other missed plays by other players...

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We have a weak WR group

I keep hearing this, but Hartline was open for 2 TDs yesterday and if the ball was lower add another one in the back of the endzone.

I just think there are some other glaring issues with this team, and it just seems that RT is expected to perform miracles

I agree here with you but the COlts, Skins and hawks are in the same boat as us. They all had losing seasons last year and add a QB (rookies as well) and they are in the playoff hunt. I'm just frustrated with the Fins and this board is my outlet.


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The difference is that those teams were more "in the mix" in recent years than the Dolphins.


I believe that the Hawks won 5, Colts won 2, and Skins won 7. Hardly in the mix.


I said in recent years, not last year. Before the Colts had a catastrophic 2011 season, they were perpetual Superbowl contenders. The Seahawks made the playoffs in 2010 and won a wild card game against the Saints and the Redskins have usually been in a Wildcard playoff hunt even if they don't make the playoffs. They are also in a usually tough NFC East.

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I keep hearing this, but Hartline was open for 2 TDs yesterday and if the ball was lower add another one in the back of the endzone.

I agree here with you but the COlts, Skins and hawks are in the same boat as us. They all had losing seasons last year and add a QB (rookies as well) and they are in the playoff hunt. I'm just frustrated with the Fins and this board is my outlet.


I think your first point only emphasizes that the receiving unit is not good. Miami can't make mistakes because the opportunities are so few when you only have one or two guys making plays. I'm not letting Tannehill off the hook for those throws, he blew those opportunities. I think Hartline's performance yesterday shows that another Hartline as opposed to an elite diva WR would make a dramatic improvement. 2 Hartlines, Bess and a disciplined Clay could produce some yards and points.

The Colts actually had a decent team but abysmal QB play. Same with the Skins. However, they drafted guys who might be once in a decade types. I'm still a little cautious to think RG III can stay healthy with the way he plays but still, his talent is off the charts. Wilson is playing well but he gets a lot of support from his surrounding cast.


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We have a weak WR group

I keep hearing this, but Hartline was open for 2 TDs yesterday and if the ball was lower add another one in the back of the endzone.

I just think there are some other glaring issues with this team, and it just seems that RT is expected to perform miracles

I agree here with you but the COlts, Skins and hawks are in the same boat as us. They all had losing seasons last year and add a QB (rookies as well) and they are in the playoff hunt. I'm just frustrated with the Fins and this board is my outlet.


Still we have Hartline and Bess and ....... Still waiting..... You cant win in this league with a high powered passing offense when only 2 WR can run a route...


I think there is more to the picture than simply one player.. I just dont see RGIII or Luck stepping into RT's shoes and having the same success with our team as they have with theirs..

We have a new staff, system, QB, and a bunch of the same players.. Skins and Hawks have the same coaches, system and alot of players, just upgraded the QB position.

Colts seemed to be in a rebuild, but they had a pretty solid team that outside of 1 year has been a factor for the last 12+ years.

So I do think there is a difference... We were a team in turmoil that added a first round QB, people seemed to think that mean we were contenders.. I expected 5 wins...

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Randall Cobb and James Jones: 108 catches, 16 touchdowns Rodgers 4th and 5th options. Good QBs make recievers look good. Now RT isn't Rodgers and yes he is a rookie so I'm not to hard on him.

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