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what is going on with him this year.
I wouldnt resign him to a huge contract.


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hes getting worked today


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He stunk it up today and has played very pedestrian football all year. Not worth a big contract at all.

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Many a LT have had bad days against Freeney. However, when the game was on the line & he needed to shut him down. He failed.


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He's had a string of injuries. I don't think he is what he used to be.

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I was saying we should have traded him early. Too late now.

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He's had a string of injuries. I don't think he is what he used to be.


He clearly is not. I took a wait and see approach, but after half a season he's clearly taken quite the step back from his better days ..... particularly in "this" scheme.

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He effing sucks, and has sucked for a couple of years now. Sorry, I'll say it again, Matt Ryan should have been the pick that year. Tanny is raw, so I'm not that pissed. With the 1st rd pick, MIA picks (insert name here) LT.


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He won't command near the money he would like. Bad year ....year and a half heading into contract talks. We might be seeing the last of him in Miami.


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Move Martin to LT and you can use a 2nd or 3rd to get another RT. Our 1st round pick has to be a red zone threat.

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He won't command near the money he would like. Bad year ....year and a half heading into contract talks. We might be seeing the last of him in Miami.

I would have tried to trade him to see if I could have moved up to draft Luck. Yes, if Indy would have traded the No. 1 pick for the No. 8 pick & Long, then I'd made that trade & probably anything else they would have wanted.


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Indy sucks hard to get the right to draft Luck. They would never have made a trade.

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Indy sucks hard to get the right to draft Luck. They would never have made a trade.

Probably not, but never know. Having Manning they could have made a SB run with that trade & still drafted a Qb to replace Manning.


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Move Martin to LT and you can use a 2nd or 3rd to get another RT. Our 1st round pick has to be a red zone threat.


I'm still worried about both tackle positions.

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Move Martin to LT and you can use a 2nd or 3rd to get another RT. Our 1st round pick has to be a red zone threat.


So we should move the rookie RT that has gotten owned the past couple of weeks to the even more important LT position?

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Why not? Long sure as hell is playing like a rookie. Long has not been the same since he started getting hurt.

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Why not? Long sure as hell is playing like a rookie. Long has not been the same since he started getting hurt.


Because there's no replacement on the right side. You'd essentially be substituting sub-standard play for another set of sub-standard play.

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Draft order..LT, WR, DB, DB, DB WR, LT, DT, DE, DE,K.


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I was talking about next year. Move Martin to his natural LT spot and bring in a RT in the 2nd or 3rd, or even free agency. Don't reward Long with a new contract. We need the 1st round pick for a red zone threat.

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Last year, the draft was flush with WR's.....this year does not look as promising.

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Last year, the draft was flush with WR's.....this year does not look as promising.

Depends on what Juniors come out.


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Maybe Jake just needs to learn how to hold the way Indy's O-line was doing all day on Wake

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Long's lost his speed and can't get down to block these smaller faster OLB's. He's also making mental msitakes, which tells me he is not a good fit for this Offensive Scheme. At this point in his career, he's probably better suited at Guard.


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He effing sucks, and has sucked for a couple of years now. Sorry, I'll say it again, Matt Ryan should have been the pick that year. Tanny is raw, so I'm not that pissed. With the 1st rd pick, MIA picks (insert name here) LT.


Man . . Can we let the Matt Ryan drama go? We didn't have the coaches to develop him or the team around him. & he likely never would've been the player he is today if he was brought into our organization. Further more, Ryan is just now looking like he can carry the team & HE. IS. LOADED! with Julio, Roddy, Turner, Gonzalez, & a solid defense. Jake Long is just lately looking like a possibly bad fit, after all those other bad coaches & schemes. I admit he wasn't special last year but he was a good pick at the time.

I think you're right, we'll have to get a new LT next year & let Long walk if he's expensive but idk about first pick.

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Last year, the draft was flush with WR's.....this year does not look as promising.


Umm...for the type of WR we want...this is a gold mine of a draft to get some!


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Man . . Can we let the Matt Ryan drama go? We didn't have the coaches to develop him or the team around him. & he likely never would've been the player he is today if he was brought into our organization. Further more, Ryan is just now looking like he can carry the team & HE. IS. LOADED! with Julio, Roddy, Turner, Gonzalez, & a solid defense. Jake Long is just lately looking like a possibly bad fit, after all those other bad coaches & schemes. I admit he wasn't special last year but he was a good pick at the time.

I think you're right, we'll have to get a new LT next year & let Long walk if he's expensive but idk about first pick.
The difference. Miami continues the thought process of past admins. Go cheap on play makers. Atl went all in with Julio Jones. Miami trades their young top Wr for a couple of 3rds. All he did today was 9 catches, 120+ Yds & 3 Tds.


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Marshall didn't want to play for Miami and the uncertainty we had at the QB position. His comments after the Pro Bowl told you that.

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Move Martin to LT and you can use a 2nd or 3rd to get another RT. Our 1st round pick has to be a red zone threat.


So we should move the rookie RT that has gotten owned the past couple of weeks to the even more important LT position?

We could move you to LT and it might work out better...Nuffield said


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BTW Long and S Smith both were hideous. I wouldn't re sign either


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Marshall didn't want to play for Miami and the uncertainty we had at the QB position. His comments after the Pro Bowl told you that.

What quality Wr would? The point is. Let him know the position will be addressed & a better player would be back there. He would have been happy with Tanny.


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Freeney's not even good anymore. He's old and shot.

I wouldnt pay big money to Long, Bush or Smith. All replaceable.


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Last year, the draft was flush with WR's.....this year does not look as promising.



IMO last year sucked for wide receivers.

This year we'll have a shot at Keenan Allen, Terence Williams and Justin Hunter


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Marshall didn't want to play for Miami and the uncertainty we had at the QB position. His comments after the Pro Bowl told you that.


I agree Henry. But man he certainly likes playing for Chicago. The BM watch thread has officially been buried as he is playing very well. Almost seems time for an off the field issue to pop up.

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For me I would wait until the end of the year to see who to keep and who to let go. I am sometimes to easily swayed by my emotion to make that kind of judgement the day of a tough loss.


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For me I would wait until the end of the year to see who to keep and who to let go. I am sometimes to easily swayed by my emotion to make that kind of judgement the day of a tough loss.



ya, we''ll see how it goes, but neither of those 3 are worth a large portion of our cap space.

I'd try to sign a solid vet to play tackle, Bush we dont really need going forward. Thomas has outplayed him and Miller looks excellent when they actually let him on the field. Smith is what he is, a sissy. We need an influx of corners anyway. I'd draft 3 this year.


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For me I would wait until the end of the year to see who to keep and who to let go. I am sometimes to easily swayed by my emotion to make that kind of judgement the day of a tough loss.

Not me...I'm rock steady, even keeled guy..... :grin:


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Draft order..LT, WR, DB, DB, DB WR, LT, DT, DE, DE,K.


Sound about right.

We likely will want to move on from Long if he keeps playing like this. Hopefully he'll step up and improve his game, but if not we should be ready for the harsh reality that it might be best to let him go elsewhere and claim our compensatory pick. I'm not too sure what kind of compensatory pick we'd get but I'm sure it would be a nice one, probably a 3rd or 4th. Not to mention the $10M we'd save would allow Ireland some flexibility in free agency.

If I'm not mistaken I think the LT and RT from Texas A&M are coming out in next years draft. Hopefully Sherman has the inside track on a solid offensive tackle that can handle his scheme. If the draft were today, I'd go:

1st - OT
2nd - WR
2nd - DB
3rd - DB
3rd - OG
4th - DB
5th - DE
6th - OT
6th - OG
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Man . . Can we let the Matt Ryan drama go? We didn't have the coaches to develop him or the team around him. & he likely never would've been the player he is today if he was brought into our organization. Further more, Ryan is just now looking like he can carry the team & HE. IS. LOADED! with Julio, Roddy, Turner, Gonzalez, & a solid defense. Jake Long is just lately looking like a possibly bad fit, after all those other bad coaches & schemes. I admit he wasn't special last year but he was a good pick at the time.

I think you're right, we'll have to get a new LT next year & let Long walk if he's expensive but idk about first pick.
The difference. Miami continues the thought process of past admins. Go cheap on play makers. Atl went all in with Julio Jones. Miami trades their young top Wr for a couple of 3rds. All he did today was 9 catches, 120+ Yds & 3 Tds.



Keep in mind the Bears were winning at one point 31-2 with 35 total passing yards so please dont inflate Marshall's garbage time stats anymore than they need to be..


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Not me...I'm rock steady, even keeled guy..... :grin:


Yep I thought Big Dave was going to be passing out different tags for posters this year. I nominate Junkie for the smooth and mellow fellow tag. : )


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He effing sucks, and has sucked for a couple of years now. Sorry, I'll say it again, Matt Ryan should have been the pick that year. Tanny is raw, so I'm not that pissed. With the 1st rd pick, MIA picks (insert name here) LT.


Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M 6'6" 310
Became the Aggies starting LT in 2010, protected Tannehill's blindside in 2010 and 2011. Knows Sherman's offense, knows Tannehill. Perfect fit??? I think so. If we don't re-sign Long, and this kid is on the board, it's a lock.


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