I can agree to a point, but obviously most teams do not walk away from a talented player simply because he lacks some conditioning issues. One would think you figure out a way to motivate him a little more. Not simply wash your hands to him.

Should we also consider Ireland's "value system" in what he brought to the WR-core this year via the draft?

Quitting on young players rather then try to work with them and guide them to being consummate professionals is not a great recipe.

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I can agree to a point, but obviously most teams do not walk away from a talented player simply because he lacks some conditioning issues. One would think you figure out a way to motivate him a little more. Not simply wash your hands to him.

There have been enough reports out of Dolphins camp that Vontae's issues were not just focused around his conditioning. and plenty has been discussed about his dedication and maturity issues.

The coaching staff obviously felt to go in another direction and get "some" value for him. Whether this ends up being a trade or a 30 "something" pick overall next year, we just now have to hope something good comes back in return. Until then, we cannot really worry or do anything about it as fans.

God love you karl, you know all those years spent in Jackson's Hole with obnoxious Bill's Fans has made you impervious to doubt.
Amen...I just hope it isn't as they find me passed out in the sun, drowned in my sorrows, moments before they start shovelling dirt on my face...LOL.

Last year... And didn't Sparano bench him one time

Total BS. If Tannehill would have been the 4th best QB on the roster this year. Say Delvin just suddenly blew everyone away. Philben would have cut/traded him? Don't think so.

The professional sports is not simply just about this coming season but the future & also player development. Seems to me Philben is afraid of players he might have to work at reaching.

@PriscoCBS: Love the move by the Colts to get Vontae Davis. Cover corners with skill are hard to find. Nice move Ryan Grigson

@SI_PeterKing: RT @kingjca55: Thoughts on trade?... VDavis the kind of cover corner Indy had to have. Will be happy to start fresh in place that wants him.

@JeffDarlington: I don't agree with the sentiment that Miami got good "value" for Vontae. "Value" for a 1st-rd pick entering 4th season would be a Pro Bowl.

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His incident was showing up hungover to practice during the season last year.

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Yes Gary, I am being selfish saying this, but you and I have watched games together since the early 1990's, punished in many era's of putting up with numerous Buffalo Bill's thrashings, including a white no name running back for Buffalo running all over the Dolphins in Shula's last game coached to Ted Johnson stealing Marino's signals and picking off his pass in a playoff game all the way to the debacle of a 1-15 season.

We have watched the wheels fall off the bus one way too many times over the years and for some reason, I still choose not to miss a game since 1991 : )

Someday, we will be sitting at a Superbowl together watching the Dolphins hoist the Lombardi trophy and BEFORE they shovel dirt on us!

Dave Hyde:

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Opinions vary on this trade Rock:



Dolphins get value in Vontae Davis trade
August, 26, 2012
Aug 26
2:40
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By James Walker | ESPN.com

The mystery trade Indianapolis Colts president Jim Irsay had been hinting about on Twitter turned out to involve the Miami Dolphins. Jay Glazer of Fox Sports reports the Dolphins traded cornerback Vontae Davis to the Colts for a second-round and a conditional late round pick in 2013.

I like this trade for Miami. Yes, the secondary is a little weaker. But Miami received good value for a cornerback who recently lost his starting job to free-agent signing Richard Marshall in training camp. Indianapolis' second-round pick could be a high one at the top of the round next year. The Dolphins now have two picks in the second and third rounds in the 2013 draft.

Davis has talent but also some baggage. He was suspended for one game last year due to a scuffle with former Dolphins receiver Brandon Marshall in practice and had immaturity issues. It was well-documented recently in "Hard Knocks," as Davis showed up to camp out of shape and taking ill-advised breaks in practice.

Davis wasn't the type of player new Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin wants in his locker room. Philbin is weeding out players like Davis, Marshall and Chad Johnson and moving on, regardless of talent.

The Dolphins take a little bit of a hit on defense in trading Davis. But Miami is rebuilding for the future anyway.

This move is about getting better in 2013 and beyond.

And during the 1st game he was gassed..Played like crap and got hurt.

Um, calling aren't you giving up on Egnew a wee bit prematurely yourself? We really don't know what he can give us yet. You're writing him off... "giving up on a talented young player". Granted, we don't know how talented, because he hasn't shown us much yet, but we're not even to the last preseason game and you already seem ready to call him a bust.

I'm surprised there isn't a little more balance from this forum. Davis was most talented DB, but he was performing at a level that wasn't in the top 2. He's had his bumps in the past, but I don't think that meant much to Philbin. I am pretty sure that if VD had been playing lights out this would never have happened.

I'm not saying i like the deal..I like Vontae as a player. And could he have been moved to safety, because ours suck.

But if the corners don't miss a beat and the next guy steps up. How can you complain.

Wait and see what happens.

I think anything we say is premature at this point. Let' see how this plays out. What's done is done now. I am looking forward to seeing our core 53 players and any other potential trades that could be in the works.

How can you say he is talented, then turn around & say he hasn't shown us much? He is a under performing 3rd Rd. pick who ended his collegiate career playing poorly.

I'm not calling him a bust. Bust would incline something was expected from him. He has given me exactly what I expected. To be like Martin Rucker & Chase Coffman. Mizzu TE who could not play in the NFL.

Davis was the best CB we had based upon on field performance in real games. One offseason changed all that? Carroll got burnt by everyone last year and he is all of a sudden better?

Ireland inspires no confidence and if our new coach's fingerprints are on this, then sorry, he is not off to a great start.

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Reminds me of the "plan" Ireland had when we got rid of our best WR in March...

Everyone was saying/thinking, "Well, he must have some guys in mind to replace him...."

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Looks like Philbin is cleaning house of "low" character, out of shape, cry baby players. I'll reserve judgement until we see what we get from him. Vontae is a good corner IMO, but how good is he really? We act like we ahve winning culture around here. Low character, talented players hardly ever win championships...Ricky, Ceceil Collins, B. Marhsall, Chad Johnson, and add vontae to thelist. We have sucked anyway and it seems like Philbin wants to change the culture around here, I have no problem with that.

This is one of the best thought out response to this thread. Guys you're acting like we were a super bowl contender with Davis on roster. We don't know the whys or whats that made our front office pull the trigger. So chill this season was a 6 win season AT BEST!!

Yes the kid had(s) talent but to be honest I liked what I saw out of Carroll vs. Julio Jones this last game more than anything I have seen from Davis in 3 preseason games. He has done some good things in the past, but we all know this is a 'what have you done lately league'.

Its Philbin's team and if he doesn't think he's a fit well so be it....he's the coach and has earned the right to make that call. If he succeeds, and VD fails in Indy, he will be hailed a genius. If its the opposite he will meet his fate as the predecessors that coached before him have.

I'm as impatient as the next fan for a winning season but seriously guys let it play out, your health and family will thank you...lol

I for one am indifferent with this trade and hope for the best. Go Phins!!!

Guys you're acting like we were a super bowl contender with Davis on roster.

Yep, he got torched last year in games and his int stats suck. He's really not that good IMO. COming to camp out of shape and showing up last year hungover shows no heart. I'm just gonna see what happens....

Jeff Ireland's most interesting quote about the Vontae Davis trade was the idea he might turn around
and make a trade with the draft picks he got. "No way anybody has given up (on this season),'' he said. "Just because I got draft picks doesn’t mean I can use them now. This helps us with ammunition to do some other things.

it is a great trade when Richard Marshall and Nolan Carroll are outplaying him in August.
Trading picks for players like the Colts just did doesnt work in the NFL.

How is VD a cry baby?

Trying to change the culture is one thing. Quitting on players after making meager efforts to guide them to mature as a player is another. You don't get to clean slate to work with as a head coach and you cannot draft/sign 51 new players for the roster. You can't keep creating new holes when we already have enough leaks as it is in the ship. Some players from previous regimes will need to stick. Ones that have shown the talent and haven't even hit their primes yet, should be atop that list.

VD wasn't out there getting arresting or jeopardizing his teammate. He show up out of shape this year.

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just responding to your statement about getting value. We definitely did.[/quote]

Value?? Are you kidding me?

What the hell do you expect to get out of that 2nd round pick?[/quote]

are you kidding? maybe a number 1 wide receiver. What good is Davis right now?? seriously guys, take off the glasses, he's overrated.

Has absolutely nothing to do with our arguments, for those of us who are arguing against it. Reading comprehension.

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Not according to personnel men around the league and Chuck Pagano who used to run a hell of a defense in Baltimore.

Love fan forum logic. Where all players who leave are garbage.

It's scary that you're comforted by Nolan Caroll after what we've seen out of him.

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No potential winning team is going to give up a quality player at this point of the season for draft picks, so that is limits the teams that might be interested in draft picks.

Wallace is the only Wr & from what has been reported is the Steelers are not looking to move him.

Smith has surpassed him as our best corners. The coaches talked abouit that in episode one

It is more than that. It is trading the best CB on this team for an unknown. It is likely making this team worse this year for a chance at... who? Ireland's drafting has been mediocre at best.

Remember, this is the same GM who replaced our #1 WR with... a bunch of backups (his words).

I don't have faith we are going to get anyone better. Perhaps you and others do.

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You mean the same secondary coach that said VD had the talent to be among the best CB's in the game? But yet he's garbage right according to you.

Funny how you pick and choose which sound bites you like the most.

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Its shame games are won & lost in Sept - Jan.


Its worked & not worked.

Who is running the team? Ireland or Philben?

how is a likely high 2nd round pick chump change for an up and down corner who was picked 25th overall? get some perspective.

Don't remember calling you out by name...but I guess you felt as though I did. Either that or you just needed to add to your post numbers by replying to a generic statement and acting like an intellectual with your "reading comprehension" dig. Do you feel better now that the internet has given you a venue to act smart behind a keyboard?? That's all I have to say about that. Back on topic....

Nice post!

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I second that

Value?? Are you kidding me?

What the hell do you expect to get out of that 2nd round pick?[/quote]

are you kidding? maybe a number 1 wide receiver. What good is Davis right now?? seriously guys, take off the glasses, he's overrated.[/quote]


Wait. We trade Marshall. It is known by everyone in the league we need a WR. We didn't chase a big time free agent. Instead of taking one in the draft, we take another offensive lineman and a suspect TE.

If Ireland had to make this move (trading our best CB) in order to finally get that piece, then how could you not see that as a complete failure in strategy? It is total incompetence.

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I'm one of the people against the trade so obviously chief you're addressing me among the people who are somehow talking about winning a championship this year.

Have fun with that argument though. Not a single person here opining for a Super Bowl title in 2012. Our reasons for being against the VD trade are much different (not to mention a little more thought out than that) and that's just your attempt to marginalize them with a disingenuous response .....

Do you feel better now that the internet has given you a venue to make up arguments?

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