We don't need to find a Pro Bowler in round 5 or 6. A solid starter would be enough.

And who cares, if you have a franchise quarterback...

The Rams and thier new head dick, opps, I mean Coach, get to stick it to the Fins again when they trade down with Cleveland. Says so On PFT. Sure it was the QB Jeffie.

Miami is loaded with solid starters. They need stars.

Hartline is solid, not a star.
Fasano is solid, not a star.
Burnett is solid, not a star.
Bell is solid, not a star.
Davis is solid, not a star.
Starks is solid, not a star.
Dansby is solid, not a star.
etc....

Cameron Wake is a star, Jake Long is a star, Brandon Marshall is a Pro Bowler (for what it's worth), Reggie Bush could be a star.

And if they had a star QB, they would probably all be better.

Cameron Wake is a star, Jake Long is a star, Brandon Marshall is a Pro Bowler (for what it's worth), Reggie Bush could be a star.

And if they had a star QB, they would probably all be better.

Would not call Wake a star. Better than solid though. Long is, but again my post was about finding a PB player in the bottom of the draft.

Wake, Long, Bush, Marshall, Dansby, Davis, Starks, Fields and Carpenter are all stars at their positions. (Star=top 10)

The Miami Dolphins have been on a quarterback search since Dan Marino retired (or was basically forced to retire). That search continues today.

In the 2012 NFL Draft, there will be the oppotunity to draft a dynamic athlete who is also a polished passer in Robert Griffin III. Miami should do everything possible to get him. But that will require moving up in the draft, possibly as high as pick #2. We're talking multiple draft picks, probably 2 first rounders (one this year, one next year), a second and a third or 2 second rounders (one this year, one next year).

Normally, I believe in the value of keeping draft picks or trading down to get more, but I think Miami is in the right situation to go for broke to address the quarterback position longterm.

The Dolphins have a relatively young nucleus. The defensive line (Starks, Odrick, Soliai, Langford) and linebackers (Burnett, Wake, Dansby) are either at or near their peak years. The cornerbacks (Smith, Davis, Wilson) are young, up and coming players. There are very young players at offensive line (Long, Pouncey), wide receiver (Marshall, Bess, Hartline), tight end (Clay) and running back (Thomas). There is even a quarterback in place who is in his late 20s and can hold down the fort while a rookie develops.

What does that mean? It means that Miami can afford to mortgage the future to address the quarterback position for years to come. There are needs on the roster but not so many that draft picks need to be stockpiled to address them. Needs include right tackle, right guard, tight end, and safety. All positions that can be address via free agency or in the later rounds of the draft.

Quarterback? There aren't too many sexy longterm options in free agency and we all know how difficult it is for quarterbacks taken in the later rounds to develop into franchise players.

Having a quarterback that can make all the throws and also make plays with his legs, read defenses and develop into a guy that can make it happen in crunch time is crucial for a team to turn it around. In fact, having that player can make up for a lot of deficiencies in other parts of the roster. See Brady leading the Patriots to the AFC Championship game with one of the worst defenses in the NFL as a prime example.

If the Dolphins scout RGIII and determine he has what it takes to become a franchise quarterback, this is the time to do what needs to be done to get him.

Rich...

1) Is RG3 really a 'can't miss' prospect. Yes, he's certainly head and shoulders above any QB this year not named Luck, but is he a can't miss prospect...I just don't know...

2) If this team was ONLY a QB away from being significant again, I wouldn't have a problem mortgaging the future for him. However, we need upgrades at (no specific order): FS, SS, OG, OT, WR, TE, OLB as well as QB...all of those, other than perhaps QB, have to be starters, not guys that will 'work their way into starting positions'.

JMHO, but fill in the other areas...then see about Qb...

I'm not sure what your standards would be then. He was top 5 in sacks last season and this season led the league in QB pressures. He is one of the best pass rushers in the NFL.

Wow, lead the league in Qb pressure? or we could just say he lead the league in almost making a play?

So its safe to say, Brandon Marshall lead the league in almost TD catches.

My standards for a star is someone that is at the top of the league in making a play, not almost making it.

Wake, Long, Bush, Marshall, Dansby, Davis, Starks, Fields and Carpenter are all stars at their positions. (Star=top 10)

So its safe to say, Brandon Marshall lead the league in almost TD catches.

My standards for a star is someone that is at the top of the league in making a play, not almost making it.

So leading the league in sacks last year accounts for nothing? Fact is even though his sacks were down this year, the guy brought pressure on a ton of plays. Putting pressure on the qb makes him throw early or make bad decisions. Wake is a star no doubt.

That's one of the stupidest comparisons I've seen in a while...

comparing pressures, which are plays that can directly lead to incompletions or interceptions, defensive stops etc, which are POSITIVES for the team, to dropping TDs, which are NEGATIVE for the team.

Some people don't think before hitting submit, and once they do, they get so entrenched in their argument that they are incapable of taking a step back to think about how stupid what they are posting is....

But there are plenty of sacks that are caused by others making a play...

The sack can be one of the most misleading stats in football.

Not when you do not follow it up. Wake was solid this year, but not what he was in 2010. He made the PB in 2010 & the PB is name recognition. However, he did not make it this year.

Long did & we all know Long was not at his best this year, but he still made it.

I agree, I'm not sure what was with calling Dansby 'solid' but not a 'star'. He may not have had a great year this year, but he has been pretty productive overall.

Long didn't deserve to make it this year, but he is still a star. It's possible to have a 'down' year and still be a star Scott. As for Wake, our whole defense struggled this year (defense as a whole in the NFL struggled this year). It's not like he played badly, he just didn't get as many sacks. He was also held a lot more than he was last year. I can't even begin to count the amount of times he was straight up mugged and didn't get the call. That's not really my argument, but it is worth noticing.

Wake was a UDFA & so was Bess. However, that was not what my comment was about. It was about the draft. Hitting on those late picks that become stars. The Jared Allen type pick.

Ok but you listed some players and said that they weren't stars. People jumped on that. You said Dansby and Wake were not stars; people disagree.

Why it won't happen. No new coach is going to put that much capital into one player who might, or might not, be NFL caliber. A smarter approach would be to sign Philbin, throw Ross's wallet at Flynn and draft a stud on defense to complement Wake.

I disagree. We'll see what his time is at the combine, but he's currently listed at 4.5 40 time, which is no where near Vick's 4.2 times.

I really don't know how much better Griffin is than Tyrod Taylor....I believe RG is MUCH more consistent throwing the ball as Taylor, but other than that?

RGIII was one of the top high school sprinters coming out of high school with a personal best 13.3 110 meter high hurdles, and a 46.9 400 meters. The kid has got wheels.

I think this kid is a notch above Tyrod, and Taylor was not a bad college QB at all while at Virginia Tech. Plus, this kid is very well spoken and very, very bright.

Been dealing with this kind of crap all year Rich, don't feel bad. Just move on, like I said in another post, some people just like to argue and some like to put thier 2 cents in just to "hear" themselves post.

There is no such thing.

You can draft Andrew Luck and if his offensive coordinator is Kippy Brown and his head coach is Dave Wannstedt, he isn't going to have much of a career.



The Patriots need upgrades at running back and all over the defense. The Packers need the same thing. The Saints could probably use some of that too.

Having a franchise QB can sure make up for a lot.

We can address all those positions you listed and not get a franchise QB and we will simply continue to be just another team.



That's what we have been doing for over a decade.

How has it worked out?

I don't feel bad at all. I'm amused at seeing the reaction by certain people when they get hit with their own condescending medicine. You would think as much as they dish it out, they would be overjoyed to get the same treatment back.

Been dealing with this kind of crap all year Rich, don't feel bad. Just move on, like I said in another post, some people just like to argue and some like to put thier 2 cents in just to "hear" themselves post.

It's amazing how threads deteriorate into meaningless discord.... among fans of the same team.

Especially when a Mod leads the way & endorses attacks.

Good grief.

I disagree. We'll see what his time is at the combine, but he's currently listed at 4.5 40 time, which is no where near Vick's 4.2 times.

I really don't know how much better Griffin is than Tyrod Taylor....I believe RG is MUCH more consistent throwing the ball as Taylor, but other than that?

Especially when a Mod leads the way & endorses attacks, but I've not had a good personal attack from Rich in quite a while. Warms my heart to know he still cares.

He can't argue unless he personally attacks. We are just stupid for not bowing down to his superior intellect on football & opinion on players. Been like that for Yrs, don't see it changing. Always held out hope for him.

Wow, lead the league in Qb pressure? or we could just say he lead the league in almost making a play?

So its safe to say, Brandon Marshall lead the league in almost TD catches.
My standards for a star is someone that is at the top of the league in making a play, not almost making it.