Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'
February 11, 2010 | 2:26 am



Who knew?

Thank goodness, Vice President Joe Biden went on CNN to chat with Larry King Wednesday night. So many think things are not going so well for the Democrat administration, as The Ticket chronicled here.

Many Americans recall the ex-Sen. Biden's Democratic primary plans to give in to Iraq's fractious factions and carve the country into three territories. And even more probably recall Biden's boss' plan to halt the Iraq war years ago. As long as it got started anyway without the permission of the then state senator.

Plus, of course, Obama's vehement opposition to the 2007 American troop surge of you-know-who from Texas that Obama knew for certain was only going to worsen sectarian strife there. (See 2007 video here.)....



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Well, of course, it didn't turn out that way, thanks in large measure to the brave service of hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops who served in that war-torn land and helped peace to break out despite the loud political acrimony back home over their role.

Now, the Obama-Biden pair that opposed the Iraq war and its tactics and predicted their failure is prepared to accept credit for its success.


It seems that Biden, who's from Delaware when he's in Delaware and Pennsylvania when in Pennsylvania, is certain now that Iraq will turn out to be one of the Obama-Biden administration's greatest achievements.

No, really.

Here's how Biden put it to Lar:

I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

I spent -- I've been there 17 times now. I go about every two months -- three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.

Biden did not elaborate on what all the administration's other "great achievements" were so far.

No doubt, Iraqis too are very thankful for that 2008 U.S. election. (Full King transcript here.)


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Do they think the American people are actually that stupid? Wait a minute ... that is how they got elected.

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Do they think the American people are actually that stupid? Wait a minute ... that is how they got elected.

We were fooled.

You were fooled. If anybody got behind pretty words alone, and didn't do their own research to realize what he was saying was complete mularky and not feasible, they sure as hell should not have voted. Hope and Change are words...even Obama himself said what he was doing was called "campaign rhetoric."

are you even old enough to vote? I say "we" as a nation. So yes "we" were fooled. You can set yourself apart as the all knowing if you want to. For the record, I voted McCain. Would McCain be doing any better? I don't think so and that is the scary thing, but atleast he would not be trying to shove things down the peoples throats.

are you even old enough to vote? I say "we" as a nation. So yes "we" were fooled. You can set yourself apart as the all knowing if you want to. For the record, I voted McCain. Would McCain be doing any better? I don't think so and that is the scary thing, but atleast he would not be trying to shove things down the peoples throats.

Plus he believes the planet is only 16,000 years old.

I don't know where you got that information.

Mike Huckabee – "Surging" Republican

Mike Huckabee is the "surging" candidate to watch in the Republican presidential primaries, at least for the moment. The former Arkansas governor is an ordained Southern Baptist minister and a believer in the "inerrancy" doctrine of Biblical scripture. Inerrancy means, quite simply, that the believer accepts every bit of the Bible as literal truth (Adam & Eve, an earth just 6,000 years old, etc.)

During a Republican presidential debate in May, Mike Huckabee raised his hand when asked by the moderator which candidates did not believe in evolution. Huckabee's been deflecting flak about that hand-raise ever since. Most recently, Huckabee appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher, where Maher asked him about evolution. As he had several times since the May debate, Huckabee seemed to back-pedal, and to embrace a form of theistic evolution. Besides, Huckabee said, the question was "utterly silly," since he was running for president and not for eighth-grade science teacher (he's made this claim before). However, unlike Wolf Blitzer during a June debate, Maher called Huckabee on this:

Why shouldn't it be part of a political discussion? If someone believes that the earth is 6000 years old, when every scientist in the world tells us it's billions of years old, why shouldn't I take that into account when I'm assessing the rationality of someone I'm going to put into the highest office in the land?

Huckabee had no cogent answer; he said that the point was that "we don't know."

Interesting. He's bold. I like him even more now.

Interesting. He's bold. I like him even more now.

Hitler was pretty bold, too. And pretty wrong, just like Huckabee.

I must take umbrage with your saying that Huckabee is wrong just like Hitler. Hitler rode in cars and set down to meals just like most of us do does that make us like Hitler? Hitler is such an evil and polarizing figure I don't see how dragging him into a comparison with Huckabee is profitable. If boldness and being wrong were your two points of comparison other historical figures not associated with evil incarnate might be a better choice say ... Custer for example. Maybe I am wrong, did you use Hitler intentionally to bring into play the evilness factor and want to associate Huckabee with that tainted image?

Hitler was pretty bold, too. And pretty wrong, just like Huckabee.

I brought up Hitler to point out the flawed thinking that an individual being "bold" and "wrong" are not reasons to like him more.

The purpose is shock value using an exaggerative comparison to show how silly him liking him more because he believes Earth is only 6,000 years old is.

If I had made the comparison to a non-Christian leader, would you take as much umbrage?

Probably not.

Yikes, I did not know that Huckabee was a religious leader.

I must take umbrage with your saying that Huckabee is wrong just like Hitler.

I agree that there is no comparison to Hitler.

As far as him being a former Baptist preacher, if a Hollywood actor can become president, I don't have any problem with Huckabee as far as his religious background. He did a very good job in Arkansas as governor. It's not like Pat Robertson coming into the race with no political history in office.

Good lord you guys totally missed my point.

I did not say he was a religious leader. But he is an ordained baptist minister.