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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:48 am 
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Pretty disgusting what we did to one of our own. I am really embarrassed that as an American our government acted this way, then tried to cover it up as well, topping it off by Bush granting clemancey for the jail time. No wonder the CIA has such poor intelligence in the hot spots of the world, as we discard assets if they don't produce what we want to hear. Sad sad day for Ms Plame and her family to realize the country she served for 18 years could turn their back on her just like that.This is truly revolting to me, and although this happened under a Repub admin, I by no means think this type of behavior doesn't happen under Dems as well .


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:51 am 
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This is a Hollywood production that takes certain artistic liberties. It was an entertaining movie that people should not be taking as 100% factual, or even close to it.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:38 am 
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I went on line and from everything I could find the story is factually accurate....please enlighten me if I am wrong...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:26 am 
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The only fact in Titanic was the stupid boat sank... Just sayin.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:35 am 
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ski really?? not they they didn't have enough life boats...not that even small things like the band did play as the ship was sinking to help calm the passengers, not the fact the captain chose to go down with the ship...not the fact that the iceberg had been previously sighted...the only bs in the movie was the stupid love story part...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:46 pm 
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I have always loved the statement "Inspired by true events."
It means virtually nothing about the movie is true.


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Hey man, unless you were there to hear the band yourself or see the Captain "volunteer" to go down with the ship then it's all hearsay.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:13 am 
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Hey man, unless you were there to hear the band yourself or see the Captain "volunteer" to go down with the ship then it's all hearsay.


So basically you don't believe anything is true unless you see it for yourself? ...

hmm.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:26 am 
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dolphan74 wrote:
I went on line and from everything I could find the story is factually accurate....please enlighten me if I am wrong...


Here's a start. Not to mention the fact that the protaganist of the film is a hardcore liberal who pals around with socialist leaders.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=235057

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:31 pm 
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Rich wrote:
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I went on line and from everything I could find the story is factually accurate....please enlighten me if I am wrong...


Here's a start. Not to mention the fact that the protaganist of the film is a hardcore liberal who pals around with socialist leaders.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=235057


I haven't read all the facts about the case myself, but surely you can do better than post from a website that still claims Obama was born in Kenya.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:13 pm 
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Or from an author who also claims:

Obama wasn't born in US
Obama didn't write his own book
Obama's father is not really his father

And this hack was also caught in a poor attempt to claim a photo of Obama and his grandparents wasn't real.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:27 pm 
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1984phins wrote:
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dolphan74 wrote:
I went on line and from everything I could find the story is factually accurate....please enlighten me if I am wrong...


Here's a start. Not to mention the fact that the protaganist of the film is a hardcore liberal who pals around with socialist leaders.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=235057


I haven't read all the facts about the case myself, but surely you can do better than post from a website that still claims Obama was born in Kenya.


Surely you can do better than try to discredit the article.

Perhaps looking at what was written and trying to discredit that with facts would be more productive. I encourage you to try.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:34 pm 
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Any time I have ever posted from a left leaning website, you were always quick to point it out.

But you are more than welcome to link to a crazy right wing nut job website and it is okay. You can post an article by an author who frequently pushes insane conspiracy theories and it is okay. And it is my job to debunk him? Please.

Like I said before, how about a website and author who actually tries to get the truth right?

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1984phins wrote:
Or from an author who also claims:

Obama wasn't born in US
Obama didn't write his own book
Obama's father is not really his father


Two out of your three assertions appear to be wrong. Although the second has serious legitimacy, as much as you may not want to accept that.

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And this hack was also caught in a poor attempt to claim a photo of Obama and his grandparents wasn't real.


Ok, but that doesn't prove that his assertions in the article I posted were wrong.

But here, so you can spend more time researching authors on the Internet to discredit them rather than addressing the points being made, I found a couple more for you.

http://www.richardwarrenfield.com/BookI ... irgame.htm

Let's see you discredit a left leaning publication.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06298.html

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:40 pm 
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1984phins wrote:
Any time I have ever posted from a left leaning website, you were always quick to point it out.


I challenge you to prove that I do this "any time".

I actually try to address the points being made.

You should try it youself.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:08 pm 
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Rich wrote:
Two out of your three assertions appear to be wrong.


Do you mean you doubt the author has taken that posiition, or are you doubting what the author said?


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Ok, but that doesn't prove that his assertions in the article I posted were wrong.


No, it doesn't. But, it goes to show you the depths at which that author will go to.

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But here, so you can spend more time researching authors on the Internet to discredit them rather than addressing the points being made, I found a couple more for you.

http://www.richardwarrenfield.com/BookI ... irgame.htm

Let's see you discredit a left leaning publication.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06298.html


I never said Wilson was correct. In my first reply, I only pointed out that the author and website were unreliable. All I told you to do is find something reliable.

The first website gave me a weird java error, so I only read the second one. It raises good points. That is all I wanted.

To link to world net daily is beneath you, for I consider you fair-minded and not a wacko conspiaracy theorist.

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1984phins wrote:
To link to world net daily is beneath you, for I consider you fair-minded and not a wacko conspiaracy theorist.


And yet you are linking to talkingpointsmemo in the thread about the credit rating. So are you saying you're not fair-minded?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:48 pm 
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The political viewpoint of the filmmamker is not an issue if the facts are our own government in the highest places outed a covert CIA operative solely for political gain...which appears to be the truth. Rather then get into who made the film, can you dispute the core facts of the movie??


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:21 am 
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dolphan74 wrote:
Rather then get into who made the film, can you dispute the core facts of the movie??


Did you read the links I posted??

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:07 am 
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Well the first one was full of personal attacks on Plame..first by calling her a desk jockey, then make out artist, then stating Plame sent Wilson to Niger...as if she could just independently do so without a superiors OK.

The fact that he calls Armitage a WH foe is itself laughable. The insinuation that Plame probabley revealed her covert work to many people is disgusting. The truth is the political hacks have continued to attack a woman who dedicated her adult life to her country, as her dad did and his dad before is extremely foul. The truth is it seems like the state department seems like they had a viewpoint, one that said Saddam had WMD's and looked for intel to prove their case...not looking at the intel and then coming to a conclusion. Obviously our intel was poor, and there was no yellow cake deal with Niger as we found nothing in Iraq. Egg meet face !!!

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n the season of WikiLeaks, when 250,000 raw bits of intelligence are floating around the Internet, it is hard to remember why anyone thought that revealing the identity of a Langley desk jockey was newsworthy, let alone scandalous.

Read more: The shamelessly fraudulent 'Fair Game' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vi ... z1UXUz4Jiw


OK, the fact her own government outed her, that's what made this news!!! And this was way before wikileaks...why try to lessen the impact of what occurred by blurring it with something that happened almost 10 years later???

Please find an actual news source rather then a political hack if you have FACTS....all that atricle had were opinions and suppositions being passed as facts


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:20 am 
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The richard warringfield article...

From this beginning... not a good start for him...
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“Fair Game” (Movie Release Date: November 5, 2010)

Based on Fair Game, written by Valerie Plame Wilson, published 2007. (Movie credits list that the movie was also based on The Politics of Truth by Joe Wilson. I did not review that book for this post.)
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The Movie: “Fair Game” the movie is actually based on two books, Valerie Plame Wilson’s book, Fair Game, and Joe Wilson’s book, The Politics of Truth. I did not review The Politics of Truth for this post. This post is also complicated by the many redactions from the text of Fair Game, and the fact there are so many scenes in the movie not in the book. It leads me to wonder how many of these scenes are invented, and how many are based on redacted materials the filmmakers had access to, but were not in the book. But I will stick to a straight analysis of what is actually in the book.

First, a general comment about characterization. My impression of Joe Wilson from the book is that of a smooth, dignified, diplomatic type of person. He is a career diplomat, a retired ambassador. He is portrayed in the movie as often very undiplomatic, blustery, foul-mouthed at times. This makes me wonder how much of the movie character was Joe Wilson, and how much was Sean Penn. Obviously, I have never met Joe Wilson, so this is my own subjective impression/opinion.

The movie starts with a tense undercover scene in Kuala Lumpur. This shows Valerie Wilson doing her CIA job, a competent, seasoned agent with important work to do, as the book depicts. But these specific scenes are not depicted in the book, and I am speculating they were probably invented.

The movie depicts Valerie Wilson having nightmares, the implication being that the operations she was involved in were causing them. I do not recall this from the book.

The children in 2001 appear to be older than the Wilson children would have been at the start of the story.


He didn't read both books, and pretty much admits to guessing about things that he really doesn't know about...

He acknowledges that the copy of Plame's book he read was heavily re-dacted, so when he says something is not in the book, how does he know? He again didn't even bother to read Joe Wilsons book, so how would he know...and to me this doesn't mean everything in the books is 100% accurate...just if he was trying to point out the difference's between source material and the movie, he shoulda read both books.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:17 am 
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What about the Washington Post article? A left leaning source surely wouldn't have a political agenda to protect Bush....

You failed to address that one.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:09 pm 
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Didn't see that link..sorry....and again its not everything in the film I think is accurate, but the idea that our government sold out a covert agent purely for political gain is what I found so disturbing..and that point has not been refuted by anyone!!!


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Didn't see that link..sorry....and again its not everything in the film I think is accurate, but the idea that our government sold out a covert agent purely for political gain is what I found so disturbing..and that point has not been refuted by anyone!!!


The government did out Valerie Plame.

The problem with the movie is WHO it blames for it.

The movie is inaccurate in that sense.

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