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 Henne or Thigpen? 

Who starts at QB in Oakland?
Chad Henne 85%  85%  [ 23 ]
Tyler Thigpen 15%  15%  [ 4 ]
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 Henne or Thigpen? 
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Post Henne or Thigpen?
With ten days to heal up and prepare what will the Dolphins do in Oakland? Do they go with a less than 100% Chad Henne or Tyler Thigpen coming off a less than stellar performance?

It should also be said that Thigpen had plenty of help in things going nowhere on Thursday night. Dropped balls, o-line injuries, and Brandon Marshall taking the second half off would have been a lot for any of our QBs to overcome. Also, the offensive game plan seemed to hardly utilize his strengths of rolling out of the pocket and running. And where was the wildcat???

All of the games are critical from here on out and Henne is not likely to be at full strength. With the season on the line who do you go with?


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This should not even be a question, there is a reason thigpen was and is third string, and we saw it thursday....i know terrible playcalling but still, horrible decision making by him as well

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This should not even be a question, there is a reason thigpen was and is third string, and we saw it thursday....i know terrible playcalling but still, horrible decision making by him as well


Apparently almost everytime Thiggy had a run/pass option (called at the LOS by the QB), he chose to pass. We want to blame Henning for everything, but fact of the matter is two-fold:

1. We have no idea what we're talking about. If the QB chooses to pass everytime he has an option (something Sparano also said happened in the Pittsburgh game) how is it we can blame the playcalling as the ultimate evil? Simply put, we can't. We only see what happens; we have no idea what other options were available pre-snap.

2. We haven't shown that we can run at all this season. We have had spurts, but we cannot lean on it to do much at all. Look at the first series: all running plays combined = negative yards.

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This should not even be a question, there is a reason thigpen was and is third string, and we saw it thursday....i know terrible playcalling but still, horrible decision making by him as well


Apparently almost everytime Thiggy had a run/pass option (called at the LOS by the QB), he chose to pass..


People are reading too much into this....
The run/pass option is only available on running plays, and the pass play available is usually something like a slant or a quick throw out to the receiver....
It's not an audible, it's a check. And from what I could tell, that only happened 3 times. Once a drop by Marshall, a catch by Marshall and a catch by Hartline.

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Even if you don't like Thigpen, why the hell would you rush Henne back to play the rest of this miserable season? If we put Long on IR and if Carey continues to struggle, the QB is going to get hit a lot....especially if he is an immobile statue like Henne.

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Iceberg85 wrote:
This should not even be a question, there is a reason thigpen was and is third string, and we saw it thursday....i know terrible playcalling but still, horrible decision making by him as well


Yep, this is a no brainer if Henne is healthy enough to go. He is our starter. If he's cleared medically then you get him out there and you test his leadership and toughness. If Henne can lead us to victory against Oakland then it proves that he deserves his starter title. If he helps us to 9-7 or better, then you've got to believe that he is our starting quarterback for next season as well.


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eleaf wrote:
Iceberg85 wrote:
This should not even be a question, there is a reason thigpen was and is third string, and we saw it thursday....i know terrible playcalling but still, horrible decision making by him as well


Apparently almost everytime Thiggy had a run/pass option (called at the LOS by the QB), he chose to pass..


People are reading too much into this....
The run/pass option is only available on running plays, and the pass play available is usually something like a slant or a quick throw out to the receiver....
It's not an audible, it's a check. And from what I could tell, that only happened 3 times. Once a drop by Marshall, a catch by Marshall and a catch by Hartline.


Except you're not listening to Sparano.

These are not "only running plays"; they're kill plays that are called which gives the QB choices at the LOS based on the defense.

Please start reading what those in the know are saying rather than relying only on what you think you saw on TV.

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The Palm Beach Post wrote:
Coach Tony Sparano Friday blamed his team’s propensity to pass rather than run in the past two games on the disguised coverages third-string quarterback Tyler Thigpen is seeing from opposing defenses and said his team needs to go back to basics to re-establish its running game.

“We’ve probably got to go back and start to identify the staple runs,” Sparano said at his morning-after press conference less than 12 hours after the Dolphins suffered a 16-0 loss to Chicago, the first time the team had been shut out at home in exactly nine years.

Sparano said offensive coordinator Dan Henning gave Thigpen the option to execute either a run or pass in numerous situations, and that when he got to the line of scrimmage he opted for the pass.

“It’s not that (we’re) calling pass plays,” he said. “I’ll give you an example: On the fifth series of the game we called four run/pass (options) in a row. On one of those four they baited Tyler a little bit and he threw the ball down the sideline and got it to Brian Hartline for 25 yards. In those situations we’ve got to have more handoffs and less worrying about the chunk play just because the coverage dictates the chunk play.


There are options to run or pass being given, and Thigpen made the wrong choice more often than not. He was confused by the defense.

This is not a "Henning didn't call any running plays" situation, but a "Thigpen can't properly read defenses" thing.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedaily ... -run-game/

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Henne ... that's an easy one.

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Post Re: Henne or Thigpen?
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The Palm Beach Post wrote:
Coach Tony Sparano Friday blamed his team’s propensity to pass rather than run in the past two games on the disguised coverages third-string quarterback Tyler Thigpen is seeing from opposing defenses and said his team needs to go back to basics to re-establish its running game.

“We’ve probably got to go back and start to identify the staple runs,” Sparano said at his morning-after press conference less than 12 hours after the Dolphins suffered a 16-0 loss to Chicago, the first time the team had been shut out at home in exactly nine years.

Sparano said offensive coordinator Dan Henning gave Thigpen the option to execute either a run or pass in numerous situations, and that when he got to the line of scrimmage he opted for the pass.

“It’s not that (we’re) calling pass plays,” he said. “I’ll give you an example: On the fifth series of the game we called four run/pass (options) in a row. On one of those four they baited Tyler a little bit and he threw the ball down the sideline and got it to Brian Hartline for 25 yards. In those situations we’ve got to have more handoffs and less worrying about the chunk play just because the coverage dictates the chunk play.




Your quote doesn't dispute what I said. Now please stop being so condescending .

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Post Re: Henne or Thigpen?
Iowafin wrote:
eleaf wrote:
The Palm Beach Post wrote:
Coach Tony Sparano Friday blamed his team’s propensity to pass rather than run in the past two games on the disguised coverages third-string quarterback Tyler Thigpen is seeing from opposing defenses and said his team needs to go back to basics to re-establish its running game.

“We’ve probably got to go back and start to identify the staple runs,” Sparano said at his morning-after press conference less than 12 hours after the Dolphins suffered a 16-0 loss to Chicago, the first time the team had been shut out at home in exactly nine years.

Sparano said offensive coordinator Dan Henning gave Thigpen the option to execute either a run or pass in numerous situations, and that when he got to the line of scrimmage he opted for the pass.

“It’s not that (we’re) calling pass plays,” he said. “I’ll give you an example: On the fifth series of the game we called four run/pass (options) in a row. On one of those four they baited Tyler a little bit and he threw the ball down the sideline and got it to Brian Hartline for 25 yards. In those situations we’ve got to have more handoffs and less worrying about the chunk play just because the coverage dictates the chunk play.




Your quote doesn't dispute what I said. Now please stop being so condescending .


Except where it does:

Iowafin wrote:
The run/pass option is only available on running plays


Disputed.

The run/pass option IS the play. It's not some checkdown or audible. The call is "do run x or pass y depending on what you see", and Sparano clearly notes that Thigpen made the wrong decision to pass NUMEROUS TIMES.

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And from what I could tell, that only happened 3 times.


Disputed.

Sparano said it happened 4 times in a row on one series, and notes that it happened in "numerous situations". He clearly says that Thigpen didn't make the right choices, and you want to continue with your "it's all Henning's fault" meme despite the evidence which clearly shows QB error in reading the defense, or in taking the bait on disguised defenses. Of course Chicago was going to defend the run and let Thigpen, with his esteemed 1-11 record, sling it all over. Thigpen played right in to their plan, despite having the option to do otherwise.

I'm not sure you can say that what you said isn't disputed when it is clearly disputed; you simply don't like what Sparano said happened, so you choose to willfully ignore it in favor of your own analysis.

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Post Re: Henne or Thigpen?
If Henne can go, he should. IMO He is the better QB for this team. Thigpen did not show the spark we were looking for.


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