Keep in mind that to do a live draft it will be hard to get everyone there. I want to start our draft the first week of August. Thoughts?

I think for the later rounds, a long draft is best as you need some time to research and all that. But I don't think we need to research a ton for the top tier players. I like the first option.

I agree, JP. We can even stretch the draft to 3 hours to get more done. It is up to you all if we go that route.

Thanks for gettin things rolling. I'm stoked!!!
I'm good with the proposed 2 to 3 hour period for initial rounds with the remaining rounds taking place over the next several weeks.

Me too man. I have to regain the title! Two years, two regular season best records, but I chocked in the playoffs last year. Gotta bounce back!

Your going down...Turner is healthy....championship is mine...!!!!

So is DeAngelo Williams....Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Gates, Addai, Eli......Can you keep up with that Tennessee??

with a little luck.....it can all happen

5 keepers is way too much... and if i remember correctly this is the first time we've even had keepers so I'm not sure where the "like we've always done" comes from...

As for the draft, I like option 1.

Yeah, I don't know why we even voted on the keepers... and the vote won to only keep 2 keepers but yet, we are still keeping 5. If you look at the results...

Vote to keep 2 keepers / 1 Player per position won... second was a tie between a complete re-draft and 5 keepers no restrictions....

So, if you look at that the top vote getter and a tied vote for second wanted to change the way we did keepers...

Guys,

You guys had voted for the keepers. Me and Dave had not discussed it though and we don't feel it's up for discussion. We have done 5 keepers for the past two years, so I'm not sure why we should be doing it differently this year.

We'll be doing 5 keepers, max of 2 per position like we have been doing so far.

So we have no say in how the league is run?

Well, to be frank, PZ did tell you in the post that we all were discussing the situation. Here is what he wrote

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So in over a month, you couldn't have told us that it wasn't up for discussion? Or could have taken the poll down? Or told the league what was going on?

So, I take it we have no say in how the league runs, or you guys seem to have no regard to our opinions on how the majority feels .... so, I'll bow out graciously gentlemen.

To be honest I had forgotten about it. Like Dave said man, we appreciate your guys' input. It's just that this topic Dave and I didn't feel was up for debate.

I understand your beef about it, but come on PZ, of course you guys have say. it's just this one topic.

Well, you say it's "just the one topic" like a politician tries to sell something the majority doesn't want. It might be just "one little ol' topic" but obviously it's an important one that the majority of the league wanted changed. I'm not being a smartass or anything, I'm simply giving my .02

It's cool with me, I'll step aside this year, and y'all can fill it with whomever.

I just think a lot of the members concerns would raise a red flag with how the league keepers are setup. Clearly the majority believes 5 keepers is far too many.

We had 5 keepers last year: no more than 2 at any position. Ring a bell? I am also in one of Tom's other leagues where it is set up for 5 keepers. It has never changed in 8 years. I've set this league up to be the same way. My suggestion is that you draft wisely each year. I am not going to penalize teams that have drafted well in their first two years. I do not even remember who is on my team, but I am sure my was average last year.

Come on Coots. Again I understand your side here, but isn't it unfair to boycott the league now because you don't get what you want, and just pass it on to someone else. Why should we give you a team next year if you're not going to stick around for this season? it's unfair to the rest of us, and especially to whoever you pass your team onto, whether it's a great one or a lousy one.

The best analogy I can think of is all the members in the Dolphin Talk forum creating a topic and a poll on why TennesseeFinFan13 should be a mod (sorry for picking on you here Tenn, lol). Maybe 75% of them voted yes because they feel it's good for the site and he's a nice guy who will bring good attributes to it. That might be good and dandy, but us Mods and the owner never discussed it and don't feel it's necessary or the right thing to do. So we should promote Tennessee to mod now, and anybody else who the members want?

Truth of the matter is that it was never a decision that had to be made. You guys opened it up and then just expected Dave and I to just accept it because it's what some of you want. That's not fair to Dave. I don't mean to be a pushy or demanding you-know-what here, but what do you want me to say?

I think this is a much different scenario than the Mod situation. We are all paying to be a part of this league so changes to the league should be discussed in an open format considering we all have an equal stake in the league.

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Then contributing members only...

You get the point.

Hmmpf, if you'll remember correctly I voted for change last year... so boycotting the league... hardly. I just don't want to play aynmore. I thought a re-draft of rosters... and a live draft may help me stay up with it. Also, go back and look last year, after the forever long draft... I had no interest in any games.... I never changed my roster up... so, I didn't even play last year.

So Im simply getting out. Not because as you say "can't have my way" ....

I'm not some 10 year old child JP.

Again, as I said, I modelled this league just as Tom had created another league: 5 keepers. It was never up for discussion. Everyone's in the same boat with good and average players.

As an example, Rich and I discussed this a month or so ago. He was all ready going to leave the FFL as he didn't like his 5 keepers. He decided to stick it out and try to improve his team. I am in a Dynasty League and my team tanked out last year in last place. I have to rebuild. Rather than Nick Saban it, I am going to Bill Parcells my team back to the top. I enjoy the challenge and I think you all should, too. There's more to this league than winning. There's a lot of comraderie and challenges.

You all are wearing me out.

Sorry if that's the way I come across Brad. Not trying to boss you guys around or anything, but I'm just a tired of all this.

Didn't know that's how you felt before. It's your decision obviously. But as Dave said, and I'm with him, it's a nice challenge and a fun one to have to rebuild a team. I love doing it in fantasy football, madden franchise, whatever. Love trying to rebuild teams.

I hope you stay, but, if you're not having fun, I guess it would be silly to stay.

Again, those are donors... not the same situation... but w/e we obviously dont have much of a say here so I'll just go with the flow... I'm not afraid of the challenge, I just feel 5 keepers kills it... it's way too many...