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Post How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
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3. One of the big questions Joe Philbin surely wanted to know is how much Lazor, as quarterbacks coach, played in the progress of Nick Foles this season. The Eagles' Chip Kelly and offensive coordinator Fritz Shurmur are well-versed in offense and quarterbacks, after all. From a Nov 25th story in the Phildelphia we get a brief glimpse into some of this. It reads in part:

" ...Lazor said he did not enter the season with any expectations of what Foles could be, but he also said there's more to Foles than what we've seen. Foles has made only 11 starts, so Lazor insisted that any evaluation would be incomplete.

" 'I still don't put a ceiling on what he could be," Lazor said.

"The coach said he needed to wait to see Foles play in games to form expectations, and Foles' stretch of three consecutive wins with 11 touchdowns and one turnover is an indication of the quarterback's development. When Lazor was asked what he's learned about Foles, though, he did not talk about the production.

" 'The biggest thing that you don't know about a quarterback is the stuff that shows up on game day, which is his demeanor on the sideline and his ability to see," Lazor said. "Some quarterbacks can come to the sideline and can't tell you what happened out there, and some quarterbacks can come and tell you exactly where the defense was, how they turned their hips, who jumped the route. Those are the things you don't know until you go through it. Nick's done a great job of communicating on game day and seeing what the defense is doing."


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miam ... 9012.story

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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
If Lazor was the key piece to helping Foles take the next step then we should be very excited about what he can with Tannehill.


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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
I would like to hear some quotes from Nick Foles during this season to hear who he gives credit to for his develpement. Anybody know where to find that?


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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
Plus Tannehill is way better than Foles so this can really be his breakout season coming up. There is gonna be a new beast in the afc in 2014!

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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
All I know is that in college, Foles would throw interceptions in bunches, wasn't good at reading defenses and would lock onto his receivers.

All of a sudden, he plays a very clean game, doesn't make too many mistakes and looks like a franchise QB.

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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
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All I know is that in college, Foles would throw interceptions in bunches, wasn't good at reading defenses and would lock onto his receivers.

All of a sudden, he plays a very clean game, doesn't make too many mistakes and looks like a franchise QB.


No offense, but as a UofA alumn who watched every single one of his games that is NOT who Nick Foles was.

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Lazor will be expected to not only spark a stagnant Miami offense, but develop third year quarterback Ryan Tannehill. What will Tannehill be doing in the team's quarterbacks room? New Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien gives us a brief look.

O'Brien, who spent the last two years as the head coach at Penn State, held a coaching seminar in 2013 at the Orlando Nike Coach of the Year Clinic, focusing on quarterback techniques and the empty passing game. During the seminar, O'Brien spoke about a discussion he had with Lazor about how to develop a quarterback in the film room.

The basic idea, as O'Brien explained, is to not just teach the quarterback, but to make sure that the coach knows the quarterback knows what to do. Essentially, the quarterback needs to stand in the meeting room, and play quarterback. He needs to be confronted with a defense, then point out the mike, make his reads, and call his cadence. The signal caller needs to walk through everything he would be doing if he were on the field. Then, the coach and the quarterback will know, they are on the same page.

With Lazor coming to Miami, this is what Tannehill should be expecting to do each and every week. And, if this technique worked for Foles, it should pay huge dividends for Tannehill and Miami this year.


http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/1/17/5 ... arterbacks

I have never been in any kind of qb coaching situation but this is what I would expect to be qb 101 in the NFL.


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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
Man if the hype plays out like I hope it does we are gonna have a very scary team. I can honestly say I haven't been this excited for a season in a while.


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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
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No offense, but as a UofA alumn who watched every single one of his games that is NOT who Nick Foles was.


Then maybe you can explain this to me:

In regards to throwing INTs in bunches.

2011 season

10 TDs, 0 INTs the first 4 games. 18TDs, 14 INTs the next 8 games. 5 out of those 8 games he had 2 or more INTs. 2 games with 3 INTs.

As for reading defenses and locking onto receivers:

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Weaknesses:
• Field vision
• Lacks mobility
• Decision-making
• Streaky
• Too many interceptions
• Footwork

Summary: Foles is a big-armed pocket passer. He comes to the NFL having put up some big numbers in his career at Arizona. Foles was a warrior in 2011. He had to battle in a shootout on a weekly basis, as Arizona had one of the worst defenses in the nation. As a result, Foles got a ton of opportunities to throw against collegiate secondaries. That experience should help him from a mental standpoint.

As a senior, Foles completed 69 percent of his passes for 4,334 yards with 28 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. Early in the season, he was doing a good job of avoiding turnovers, but he later threw a bunch of picks. One of the reasons for this was his inclination to lock on to one receiver and not make progressions through his different reads. Foles' field vision will need work, and that is the big detriment to his game. He also got a lot of help from wide receiver Juron Criner. Over the past few seasons. Foles would throw a lot of passes up for grabs, and his big wide receiver would reward him with many tough receptions.


http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012nfoles.php

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Weaknesses: Foles is only an average athlete and has happy feet with the bad habit of hopping in the pocket. He has a bit of a wind-up delivery and needs to quicken his throwing motion. Foles tends to rush throws and lose his mechanics at times, which leads to erratic passes. He has struggled with his decision-making and needs to improve his pre-snap recognition skills to read defenses and see blitzes. Foles doesn't decipher information as quickly as you would like


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/play ... nick-foles

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Weaknesses Questionable on-field judgment and ball security


http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129903/nfl-dr ... B--Arizona

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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
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He has a tendency to lock onto his first option so he'll need to learn to look off of other receivers.


http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/prof ... ct_id=2706

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Football IQ: He just doesn’t recognize coverages yet. He’s thrown 19 interceptions in 2 years. Foles just doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.

Awareness: Nick Foles is going to need to adjust his field vision once he starts playing in an NFL pro style offense.


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Makes Progressions on the 7 Step Drop: Nick Foles struggles to make proper progressions on the 7 step drop.


http://www.rantsports.com/mock-draft/20 ... p1vOYMx.99

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Major concern of his football IQ at the next level. Often seems unsure of where he is going with the ball before the snap which leads to mistakes


http://nflsfuture.com/2012/01/07/nick-f ... HozdyzC.99

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Post Re: How much did Lazor play in the progress of Nick Foles?
Rich wrote:
Then maybe you can explain this to me:

In regards to throwing INTs in bunches.

2011 season

10 TDs, 0 INTs the first 4 games. 18TDs, 14 INTs the next 8 games. 5 out of those 8 games he had 2 or more INTs. 2 games with 3 INTs.

As for reading defenses and locking onto receivers:


Nothing to explain other than you're citing me one stretch of his 2011 season and proclaiming that he always throws INT's in bunches.

As for those links you gave, obviously you're going to cut/paste the ones that agree with your assessment .... especially since I get the impression you never really watched him play in college.

In your prior post you made him sound like a project QB that Lazor worked miracles with. In three years at the UofA, the guy threw for over 10,000 yards, 67TD's, 33 INT's, completed on average 66.5% of his passes, and an average rating of 138.1 ..... he had an excellent base to work with and was more pro-ready than many gave him credit for.

Btw, please show me college QB's who are polished in the "progressions" category. That is something that requires continued development on into the pro's for 99% of the guys out there, especially when they learn to play against more exotic coverages in the NFL.

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