I just remember how some made it sound like every guy we selected had this untapped upside.

You know, we are starting to see other picks in our other drafts starting to step up. I wouldn't count out our 2013 draft class just yet.

I would say that Ireland has not done a good job of evaluating offensive line talent. Aside from Pouncey, his other picks haven't done a whole lot. Ireland has done well at other postions, but I think he needs to get someone to help him evaluate offensive line talent. Let's not forget that a lot of people thought that Jonathan Martin was ready to start right away last year. He did, but he was a liability.

not much press about it...But pretty much the whole NFL draft for 13 is not doing so well...

I can't remember a draft class with so little production...

not much press about it...But pretty much the whole NFL draft for 13 is not doing so well...

I can't remember a draft class with so little production...

Ehhhhh ..... I dunno about all that. As far as the 1st round goes:

On offense EJ Manuel was playing well before he got hurt. Kyle Long has been as sturdy of a Guard as it gets. DJ Fluker been holding up for the Charger at LT (not to mention administering the body slam of the year).

On defense you've got Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei, Kenny Vacarro, Jarvis Jones all playing significant roles on their squads .... Eric Reid on the 49'ers has 3 int's and 5 pass defenses.

Jarvis Jones was benched for being ineffective...Vacarro who i wanted
at 12 is playing ok....And Manual i wouldn't call a hit at this point...Thats still only 5 or so..not exactly a stellar group so far...Usully you have more than that, especially last year

Ya, but we're not really discussing "stellar". We're talking contributing some "production" based on your previous comments. That list I gave you is full of contibutors, albeit Jones just got benched this week. Sheldon Richardson is an absolute monster. Kyle Long is a rock .... etc etc.

Joe Flacco, QB, Baltimore Ravens
Donnie Avery, WR, Kansas City Chiefs
Jermaine Gresham, TE, Cincinnati Bengals
Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints

HONORABLE MENTION:
Matt Schaub, QB, Houston Texans
Anthony Castonzo, LT, Indianapolis Colts


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/ ... al-players

Ya, but we're not really discussing "stellar". We're talking contributing some "production" based on your previous comments. That list I gave you is full of contibutors, albeit Jones just got benched this week. Sheldon Richardson is an absolute monster. Kyle Long is a rock .... etc etc.

WHERE DID THEY GO?


1) Miami Dolphins

Hoping to boost their pass rush, the Dolphins traded up to snag Dion Jordan with the third overall pick, but he's had almost no impact thus far, collecting a single sack in seven games (no starts). His struggles are especially rough considering that Miami, currently in the midst of a four-game losing streak, could use the help. Many -- myself included -- thought highly of Jordan before the draft. In fact, at one time, I even thought he might have been the best talent available. Perhaps offseason surgery to repair a torn labrum set him back.

Unfortunately for the Dolphins, they haven't had much more success with the rest of their first four picks, none of whom has made a start this season. Cornerback Jamar Taylor (second round, 54th overall) has one tackle in three games. Offensive lineman Dallas Thomas (third round, 77th overall) has yet to see the field. And cornerback Will Davis (third round, 93rd overall) has zero tackles in one game.

I mean none of our rookies are doing squat....Could it be coaching?

As they chase a playoff berth, the Dolphins also hope to use the second half of the season to gain insight on assorted issues, beyond observing Ryan Tannehill’s growth. Assessing several at the midway point:

### What exactly do they have in this rookie class?

Aside from Seattle, which didn’t have a first-round pick, no team has fewer offensive/defensive snaps from its first four draft choices.

Third overall selection Dion Jordan’s 169 snaps (excluding special teams for everyone) are fifth-fewest among all first-round rookies, ahead of only Indianapolis’ Bjoern Werner (picked 24th) , Green Bay’s Datone Jones (26th), Denver’s Sylvester Williams (28th) and Minnesota’s Cordarrelle Patterson (29th).

Jordan, who has 10 hurries and one sack in 111 pass rushing opportunities (but none Thursday), said coaches want to see him play effectively against the run before they give him more playing time: “I have work to do with that.”

The Dolphins like the skill set of rookie cornerbacks Jamar Taylor and Will Davis, but it’s telling that Davis has been inactive for a month, and Miami opted for RJ Stanford over Taylor when Dimitri Patterson left with an injury late Thursday.

Taylor has played just 45 defensive snaps and allowed all four passes thrown against him to be completed, for 100 yards. “It’s tough when you see teams like Buffalo playing their rookies, but we have good cornerbacks here,” he said. “I believe I will be a darn good NFL cornerback. [But] the stuff that worked in college isn’t going to work here.”

Among the other Dolphins rookies: There’s no great optimism among some Dolphins players about Dallas Thomas, who has been working at both guard and tackle but hasn’t distinguished himself at either. Mike Gillislee hasn’t come close to unseating Daniel Thomas for the No. 2 running back job....

The Dolphins like the blocking ability of tight end Dion Sims, but coordinator Mike Sherman said he has a lot of work to do. The staff sees potential in Jelani Jenkins to be an effective third-down linebacker....

Only Houston’s Randy Bulluck has missed as many field goals as Caleb Sturgis, though he redeemed himself with his 44-yarder to send Thursday’s game to overtime. And safety Don Jones projects as a special-teams player. So the book remains very much incomplete on this class.

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I can understand the corners maybe not getting on the field as much.

This is what is killing me too, we are deep there but thin at OL.




But Jordan needs to be starting by now.

For sure.