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Dolphins wide receiver Mike Wallace had a quiet game in the 23-10 win over the Browns.

Wallace had one catch for 15 yards in the game while Brian Hartline and Brandon Gibson combined for 16 catches, 221 yards and a touchdown. Wallace was quiet after the game, too, but that silence wasn’t because he wanted to let others be the center of attention.

Multiple media reports from the Dolphins locker room have Wallace saying “I don’t feel like talking” after the game and directing interested reporters to “ask coach” about the game plan because Wallace wasn’t the one who drew it up.

It’s not a good look to complain about your usage after a win, especially one that saw the passing game click with the other two receivers in part because of the attention that has to be paid to Wallace. It’s not something that has to become a problem for the Dolphins moving forward, but it’s certainly not the start they wanted for Wallace’s time with the Dolphins.


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I know he dropped one easy catch on the sidelines late in the 4th quarter during the drive for the final TD. He needs shut up and play football.

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No one should be surprised. He's a diva, and we knew this when we signed him.

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He need to understand it's not all about stats. He did his job today. He's not always going to be stuck across from Joe Haden.


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Gotta love players who only care about their numbers even when they've already gotten paid.


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No surprise here. He wins the whine & cheese award.

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They singled up Haden on him all day and Miami threw two deep passes his way. Both poor throws. All super stars in the NFL have an ego. They shouldn't have brought him in if they were going to target him 4 times all day. This coaching staff deserves some criticism. Reggie Bush went for over 200yds all because they fed him the rock. You have to find ways to get the ball in the hands of your stars. If they don't, this will blow up. Anyone telling this guy to shutup and play...his pay is depending on touches.


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Just what the team needs after a win.

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They singled up Haden on him all day and Miami threw two deep passes his way. Both poor throws. All super stars in the NFL have an ego. They shouldn't have brought him in if they were going to target him 4 times all day. This coaching staff deserves some criticism. Reggie Bush went for over 200yds all because they fed him the rock. You have to find ways to get the ball in the hands of your stars. If they don't, this will blow up. Anyone telling this guy to shutup and play...his pay is depending on touches.


Actually two of those throws were pretty good and Haden bumped Wallace enough to screw up their timing. One on the sidelines would have been a TD if Haden didn't throw an elbow.

Haden did a good job on Wallace today.


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My point was he was targetted 4 times. Look, you have star....you showcase him. Part of making a long throw successful is making a few short throws underneath to set them up. Miami did 1 target underneah and it was an easy completion. It is easy to see that RT is not comfortable with him. If his continues, look for Wallace to get more vocal.


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For what it is worth, at least Wallace gave answers like talk to the coach about the game plan and probably best he stayed quiet and left if he was upset. I am not condoning the prima donna attitude, but I am sure he felt there were plays out on the field for him today. The analysts still felt that his presence alone on the field helps our other receivers.

Look for his speed to really show next week on turf at Indy. You can just see that Tannehill will be hitting him with some bombs this season.


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My point was he was targetted 4 times. Look, you have star....you showcase him. Part of making a long throw successful is making a few short throws underneath to set them up. Miami did 1 target underneah and it was an easy completion. It is easy to see that RT is not comfortable with him. If his continues, look for Wallace to get more vocal.


Wallace drew the necessary double teams to get Hartline and Gibson open. Everyone realizes this except Wallace

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My point was he was targetted 4 times. Look, you have star....you showcase him. Part of making a long throw successful is making a few short throws underneath to set them up. Miami did 1 target underneah and it was an easy completion. It is easy to see that RT is not comfortable with him. If his continues, look for Wallace to get more vocal.


Wallace drew the necessary double teams to get Hartline and Gibson open. Everyone realizes this except Wallace

Yah but you need our OC to find ways to get him the ball. The reason his game was so close is Miami had to work for every first down. You have a homerun threat, your job as a coach is to get him he ball.


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I'd be pissed if I were Wallace too. The playcalling was unimaginative. If Haden is playing me 10-12 yards off.. throw me a darn quick slant...

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I'd be pissed if I were Wallace too. The playcalling was unimaginative. If Haden is playing me 10-12 yards off.. throw me a darn quick slant...


Years ago I remember someone asking Don Shula whether he was going away from his run first attitude on offense now that he had Marino. Shula's response was a coaches job was to get the most out of his talented players. Today, Miami left a lot on the field today when concerning Wallace.


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it seemed like they were happy with the way things were going with Gibson and Hartline getting free looks underneath while Wallace drew the defense deep. Each game is a different animal.


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CLEVELAND -- Mike Wallace, the Miami Dolphins' $60 million wide receiver, was unhappy after Sunday's season-opening victory over the Cleveland Browns, according to a newspaper report.

Wallace had one reception for 15 yards in his Miami debut, a 23-10 victory. He was targeted five times by quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

"I don't feel like talking," Wallace told the Miami Herald while on his way out of the locker room.

When another reporter pressed Wallace by asking about the game plan, the receiver said, "I don't feel like talking about it. Ask Coach."

The Herald said Wallace was visibly angry immediately after the game and was escorted off the field by Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9652386/report-mike-wallace-miami-dolphins-not-happy-usage-win


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Seems to easy..Just get him the ball. couple slants maybe a wr. screen..

Or maybe he has been late for some meeting or in the dog house for some reason? things we as fans just don't really get to know.


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Remind Wallace that we won the game. If we lost and he went 12 for 172 and 2tds he would be telling the media "I don't know what happened, ask coach, I guess I have to do more" blah blah.


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If i were Philbin I'd list his bruised ego on the injury report


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They singled up Haden on him all day and Miami threw two deep passes his way. Both poor throws. All super stars in the NFL have an ego. They shouldn't have brought him in if they were going to target him 4 times all day. This coaching staff deserves some criticism. Reggie Bush went for over 200yds all because they fed him the rock. You have to find ways to get the ball in the hands of your stars. If they don't, this will blow up. Anyone telling this guy to shutup and play...his pay is depending on touches.


The only reason Wallace got paid like he did was because of the inflated nature of the FA market. I still don't think this guy is among your top receivers in the league, but he's dangerously fast so teams have to respect it. That being said he needs to shut his effin' mouth. LOL at all those who defended this guy in the offseason saying the reports about his slightly diva'ish persona were bogus. The soul boiled to the surface after only 1 week of the regular season. Joe Haden owns him.

The Reggie thing still pisses me off. This coaching staff purposely chose not to take advantage of his skill-sets. That doesn't sit well with me, especially for a team starved of playmakers like the 2012 unit was.

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sometimes great players just have to suck it up and be the "decoy" that steals away the defenses attention. I NEVER expected huge numbers from him in our offense.
I figured around 1000 and 7 TD's. But i also expected Gibson and Hartline's career averages to rise.


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Yeah Swerve that's great but if that's it for him, he might revolt by week 6. Its the nature of the "give-me-the-damn-rock" players


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Will we ever get an imaginative play caller?

Seems this past decade of mediocrity is filled with, well, mediocre play calling. We've had talent, we just haven't utilized it.


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I will say this about the game. I went back and looked at some of the deep throws to Wallace on DVR and he was double covered every single time. The Browns were bracketing Wallace. There were a couple of times he had a step on Haden, who runs a 4.5 and the safety was there over the top. So the Browns were content to have Haden trail while the safety played over the top. Even then, Wallace did get behind them a couple of times but the throws were off.

That being said, Haden was lining up 10-12 yards off Wallace so why no quick slants or bubble screens? Why not put Wallace in motion and hit him on a drag? On the one catch Wallace had he ran a comeback with a double move. It was a nice route. Why not run some digs to Wallace since the middle of the field was so wide open?

Definitely could have adjusted to the coverage being played on Wallace and gotten him the ball more.

Wallace was leaving the middle of the field wide open and is a reason Gibson had all those catches and on some of them was completely uncovered.

I guess the right thing to do was hit the guys that were open and quite honestly if it keeps happening teams are going to have to make decisions on whether to take away the middle of the field or take away Wallace.

Another thing I noticed and probably the reason the running game was not successful was that even when we went three wide, the Browns kept four linebackers in and were covering Gibson with linebackers and safeties. Gibson essentially became the Dolphins running game.

I think teams are going to realize they need to cover Gibson with a slot corner and that will open up the running game out of 3-wide.

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If i were Philbin I'd list his bruised ego on the injury report


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I will say this about the game. I went back and looked at some of the deep throws to Wallace on DVR and he was double covered every single time. The Browns were bracketing Wallace. There were a couple of times he had a step on Haden, who runs a 4.5 and the safety was there over the top. So the Browns were content to have Haden trail while the safety played over the top. Even then, Wallace did get behind them a couple of times but the throws were off.

That being said, Haden was lining up 10-12 yards off Wallace so why no quick slants or bubble screens? Why not put Wallace in motion and hit him on a drag? On the one catch Wallace had he ran a comeback with a double move. It was a nice route. Why not run some digs to Wallace since the middle of the field was so wide open?

Definitely could have adjusted to the coverage being played on Wallace and gotten him the ball more.

Wallace was leaving the middle of the field wide open and is a reason Gibson had all those catches and on some of them was completely uncovered.

I guess the right thing to do was hit the guys that were open and quite honestly if it keeps happening teams are going to have to make decisions on whether to take away the middle of the field or take away Wallace.

Another thing I noticed and probably the reason the running game was not successful was that even when we went three wide, the Browns kept four linebackers in and were covering Gibson with linebackers and safeties. Gibson essentially became the Dolphins running game.

I think teams are going to realize they need to cover Gibson with a slot corner and that will open up the running game out of 3-wide.

Why not put him in motion and get the ball on quick slants or in routes. There's a way to do it, Sherman needs to figure it out. They come out and throw a couple of bombs his way and then go back to forgetting he's on the team. I'm having flashbacks to the misuse of Reggie Bush.


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Why not put him in motion and get the ball on quick slants or in routes.


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Why not put Wallace in motion and hit him on a drag? On the one catch Wallace had he ran a comeback with a double move. It was a nice route. Why not run some digs to Wallace since the middle of the field was so wide open?


That's what I love about you Junkie... always coming up with great ideas. ;)

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Well I knew it had to be true, I read it somewhere on the internet


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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... hins-debut

Ha! I knew Rich was really a bald guy with a goatee who wrote for NFL.com... :)


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Well I knew it had to be true, I read it somewhere on the internet


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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000240855/article/mike-wallace-upset-after-quiet-miami-dolphins-debut

Ha! I knew Rich was really a bald guy with a goatee who wrote for NFL.com... :)


I make the big bucks.

The problem with using a guy like Wallace as a decoy is that eventually if you don't keep him involved and engaged, he will stop running hard.

You have to feed him somehow. Slants and bubble screens would be a great start since corners are always going to play off him.

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Slants and bubble screens

No doubt.


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Agreed with you guys. The Dolphins were content to let Wallace be the decoy and open things up for Hartline and Gibson.

That's fine, but Wallace is one of the few guys in the league that you have to force-feed the football to if necessary. It doesn't need to be 15 times a game, but you have to get the ball in his hands a handful of times a game.

Had Wallace forgotten that he's only a 3-4 catch a game guy anyway? 1 catch in 1 game isn't a big deal. It'll get better.


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You would think that if the CB is more than 5yds deep it should be an automatic 5yds for RT to take the snap and fire the ball to Wallace behind the LOS.


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I will say this about the game. I went back and looked at some of the deep throws to Wallace on DVR and he was double covered every single time. The Browns were bracketing Wallace. There were a couple of times he had a step on Haden, who runs a 4.5 and the safety was there over the top. So the Browns were content to have Haden trail while the safety played over the top. Even then, Wallace did get behind them a couple of times but the throws were off.

That being said, Haden was lining up 10-12 yards off Wallace so why no quick slants or bubble screens? Why not put Wallace in motion and hit him on a drag? On the one catch Wallace had he ran a comeback with a double move. It was a nice route. Why not run some digs to Wallace since the middle of the field was so wide open?

Definitely could have adjusted to the coverage being played on Wallace and gotten him the ball more.

Wallace was leaving the middle of the field wide open and is a reason Gibson had all those catches and on some of them was completely uncovered.

I guess the right thing to do was hit the guys that were open and quite honestly if it keeps happening teams are going to have to make decisions on whether to take away the middle of the field or take away Wallace.

Another thing I noticed and probably the reason the running game was not successful was that even when we went three wide, the Browns kept four linebackers in and were covering Gibson with linebackers and safeties. Gibson essentially became the Dolphins running game.

I think teams are going to realize they need to cover Gibson with a slot corner and that will open up the running game out of 3-wide.


good stuff Rich, very interesting.


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good stuff Rich, very interesting.

If they play a cover 1 to take the middle of the field away, Wallace will see more 1 on 1. RT has to hit him on those deep throws. Also noticed that Haden knocked Wallace off of his route on those deep throws. Should that have been pass int? You are not allowed to touch the WR after 5 yrds and this was way down the field, no headd turn looking for the ball, no incedental contact, just a straight up push in the back or bump.


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you also have to take into account this was an old division foe that wallace was playing...they wanted to take him away...

the steelers started throwing him more screens last year than they did in the past to get him the ball


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Bottom line is that the Dolphins won. They did not have to force the ball to him. The other guys were open so Tannehill fed them the ball. I would have been pissed if they lost and did not throw him the ball more. If this is the way we win all season, I'll take it.


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Bottom line is that the Dolphins won. They did not have to force the ball to him. The other guys were open so Tannehill fed them the ball. I would have been pissed if they lost and did not throw him the ball more. If this is the way we win all season, I'll take it.


But Wallace won't and he'll be a distraction throughout the year. He'll become a locker room cancer, which will have negative effects on our play on the field.

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