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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:20 pm 
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The Dolphins "missed" on tight end Jared Cook on Tuesday, if you call not wanting to pay $7 million per year to a player who had exactly three receptions more than Anthony Fasano a miss. Alright, I understand the infatuation with Cook but that sure is a lot of money for speed and seam-threat potential.
The Dolphins thought they had Cook at one point the past three days, I'm told. Then the Rams put on the full-court press, which is defined as money, money, money.
Fine, the Dolphins are moving on.
Today, Dustin Keller is visiting with the team, as I reported this morning. Well, more specifically the club plans to give Keller its own kind of full-court press. There will be meetings with coaches, dining with club personnel, and the physical.
The physical, which I'm told was taking place this afternoon, is key. Keller missed a lot of games last year with hamstring and ankle injuries. He had, however, played 64 consecutive games prior to that.
So the thinking here is if Keller is healthy and his physical checks out, then the Dolphins and his agent will be able to begin discussing contract terms.
The Dolphins are also expecting a visit today from wide receiver Brandon Gibson, late of the Rams. Gibson visited the Jets Wednesday morning but left town without a contract. He was flying to South Florida to visit Miami next, according to a source who confirmed various media reports.
Keller, by the way, has shown an ability to be quarterback friendly -- that is, he finds a way to be in place to get his quarterback out of a tough situation. No, he's not running a 4.49 in the 40 like Cook or maybe Vernon Davis. No, he's not going to block out the sun.
But he's efficient. He's been solid. He's played in big games, including two AFC Championship games. He would help Miami's cause if the Dolphins pull the trigger.
What will it cost?
A lot less than $7 million per season. Maybe half that.


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half of 7 million for keller is a great move!!!


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Keller would be an instant upgrade over any tight end on the roster last season.

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ag_fin_90 wrote:
half of 7 million for keller is a great move!!!


Personally, I think that is just bad reporting by 'Mando. I do not see any circumstance where he signs for less than $4m.

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
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half of 7 million for keller is a great move!!!


Personally, I think that is just bad reporting by 'Mando. I do not see any circumstance where he signs for less than $4m.

i would think so but he just got back from injury and other the Miami i dont see anybody else with interest so never know


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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
ag_fin_90 wrote:
half of 7 million for keller is a great move!!!


Personally, I think that is just bad reporting by 'Mando. I do not see any circumstance where he signs for less than $4m.


I feel the same. Miami is starved for a TE and he is the best free agent still out there. Plus everyone knows that the Phins have a ton of cash to spend. No way is he going to be cheap.


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pauspe wrote:
AFCMiamiEast wrote:
ag_fin_90 wrote:
half of 7 million for keller is a great move!!!


Personally, I think that is just bad reporting by 'Mando. I do not see any circumstance where he signs for less than $4m.


I feel the same. Miami is starved for a TE and he is the best free agent still out there. Plus everyone knows that the Phins have a ton of cash to spend. No way is he going to be cheap.

Then he gets left i said earliar that you dont overspend unless its a big impact guy with Keller i look and say you wont get big money trust so if you say no to us good luck


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Ireland let Cook go over money, he will let Keller go as well...

However I think he comes here, so long as we make a competitive offer. And I want him to come here and have a HOF career so the Jet fans fan cry over it like Fins fans still do over Welker lol...

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pauspe wrote:
AFCMiamiEast wrote:
ag_fin_90 wrote:
half of 7 million for keller is a great move!!!


Personally, I think that is just bad reporting by 'Mando. I do not see any circumstance where he signs for less than $4m.


I feel the same. Miami is starved for a TE and he is the best free agent still out there. Plus everyone knows that the Phins have a ton of cash to spend. No way is he going to be cheap.


Dolphins don't have to sign him or any TE. One can be drafted. The money can be used for a number of positions. Having those kind of options keep you from being screwed. It's a good thing


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Man honestly I would've rather had Martellus Bennett, but he was dead set on the Bears. Cook had some intriquing athletic abilities ..... but Keller strikes me as a tweener. I'd rather wait on Finley's status before going after him.

We currently don't really have any in-line blockers and I'd prefer Ireland to do something in the draft to get a guy who can both block and catch.

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Heck.....I would rather they draft Eifert. The Dolphins are actually looking very good this off season. It has been a shock...I am not used to seeing Miami make so many moves that look this good. Sad to see Bush go, but not surprised. I still think the team would have been better with him on the roster, but there are a lot of holes to fill and freeing up money for the future is important too.

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Man honestly I would've rather had Martellus Bennett, but he was dead set on the Bears. Cook had some intriquing athletic abilities ..... but Kellers strikes me as a tweener. I'd rather wait on Finley's status before going after him.

We currently don't really have any in-line blockers and I'd prefer Ireland to do something in the draft to get a guy who can both block and catch.


I agree, Bennett would have been a perfect fit (Sherman/A&M Connection). Bennett is a well-rounded similar to Fasano, but with better athletic ability.

Keller while a slight improvement in the passing game, he is a step back from Fasano in the blocking department, something we badly need.

I too agree that if we land Keller, we should definitely seek out an in-line blocker who can work in the redzone.

Do you know if Kevin Boss has signed with anyone yet or if he's healthy now? He'd be a great complimentary TE to work with Keller if he's available for cheap.


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Keller while a slight improvement in the passing game


Slight improvement? A guy who has 36 more catches and 503 more yards in 36 less games is a slight improvement? A 4.53 guy like Keller, which is 0.04 slower than Cook, is a huge mismatch against linebackers.

He is a considerable improvement in the passing game over Fasano.

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Keller while a slight improvement in the passing game


Slight improvement? A guy who has 36 more catches and 503 more yards in 36 less games is a slight improvement? A 4.53 guy like Keller, which is 0.04 slower than Cook, is a huge mismatch against linebackers.

He is a considerable improvement in the passing game over Fasano.



What Rich said.

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Keller while a slight improvement in the passing game


Slight improvement? A guy who has 36 more catches and 503 more yards in 36 less games is a slight improvement? A 4.53 guy like Keller, which is 0.04 slower than Cook, is a huge mismatch against linebackers.

He is a considerable improvement in the passing game over Fasano.



What Rich said.


Yeah WK, it's really not even comparable.

Keller is arguably top 10 pass catching TE in the game.


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I've read a few posts/tweets from people claiming Fasano's blocking was highly overrated. Can't argue against his TD production.


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I've read a few posts/tweets from people claiming Fasano's blocking was highly overrated.


We call them the visually impaired.

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I've read a few posts/tweets from people claiming Fasano's blocking was highly overrated. Can't argue against his TD production.

That's what I've been trying to say too. He's far removed from his dominance in 2009 and 2010 as a blocker.


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I would welcome Keller signing with the phins. Give our young QB as many weapons as possible in the passing game and I think he will be very successful.


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Rock Sexton wrote:
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I've read a few posts/tweets from people claiming Fasano's blocking was highly overrated.


We call them the visually impaired.


Fasano's run blocking rated negatively according to PFF. He was the 31st ranked tight end at run blocking in the NFL according to their metrics.

In 2011 he was 5th, so he really declined.

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Rich wrote:
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Keller while a slight improvement in the passing game


Slight improvement? A guy who has 36 more catches and 503 more yards in 36 less games is a slight improvement? A 4.53 guy like Keller, which is 0.04 slower than Cook, is a huge mismatch against linebackers.

He is a considerable improvement in the passing game over Fasano.


I was eluding to the fact that in the redzone and as a pass blocker Fasano is every bit as good as Keller, possibly better. Where Keller gets the nod in my opinion is between the 20s.

I guess I should have re-phrased my comment. I see your point Rich. You'd be 100% correct in saying Keller is a much bigger factor in the passing game in terms of his skills as a route runner and as someone who can move the chains.


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ArmandoSalguero No news to report on Dustin Keller. He's neither in nor out, according to source. "Still too early," is text I got.

This is taking really long. Phyical, dinner, contract terms... obviously they're disagreeing on something.

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ArmandoSalguero No news to report on Dustin Keller. He's neither in nor out, according to source. "Still too early," is text I got.

This is taking really long. Phyical, dinner, contract terms... obviously they're disagreeing on something.

Money i guarantee it he wants a certain price and the Phins to me have their price for him and i agree dont overpay him when we can say no and get a tackle and a cb with the money he wants


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I would take a serious look at Fred Davis before someone else signs him.

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I would take a serious look at Fred Davis before someone else signs him.

Then you will be overpaying the Browns i think have more money then the dolphins and they are going hard after and their HC loves tight ends


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Sounds like Keller might be signing with Cleveland.

Where talented players go to disappear...

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Rich wrote:
Sounds like Keller might be signing with Cleveland...

Guess that talk of Cameron Jordan or Jordan Cameron being ready to bust out talk being nonsense.


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Does that mean the price on Fred Davis just weñt down?

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Does that mean the price on Fred Davis just weñt down?


Interesting question now does he go back to the Redskins or the Dolphins


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I like Clay, but I would hate to only have Clay, Egnew, and a rookie for TEs.

Fred Davis is an upgrade ove Fasano, and certainly an upgrade over an empty spot.

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Sounds like Keller might be signing with Cleveland.

Where talented players go to disappear...


Haven't seen anything else yet. Could be Davis going to Cleveland.

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Crud just read Jesse AAgler's tweet that Dustin Keller left WITHOUT a deal....


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Crud just read Jesse AAgler's tweet that Dustin Keller left WITHOUT a deal....


After all this time its about the money and i said it before he wants too much then we want to give him


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ag_fin_90 wrote:
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Crud just read Jesse AAgler's tweet that Dustin Keller left WITHOUT a deal....


After all this time its about the money and i said it before he wants too much then we want to give him



That ridiculous contract the Rams gave Jared Cook is really skewing the price scale. Cook has done enough to warrant the contract he got, and Keller is coming off a year where he missed more than half of the season.

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If I were him, I'd go anywhere but back to the jets failing circus.

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That ridiculous contract the Rams gave Jared Cook is really skewing the price scale. Cook has done enough to warrant the contract he got, and Keller is coming off a year where he missed more than half of the season.


Yeah Im sure.. Fasano got 4 a yr with 11 gar, he was the first TE signed and in 16 games he barely beat Keller's stats in 8...

Kinda puts things in perspective when the Jets TE that missed half a season had literally 20 less yards than our TE who started 16 games....

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Saw it tweeted from Rich Cimini I believe that Keller asked for Cook money and said he wants more than the Bennett contract.

Given his age and recent injuries I don't think Miami is going to go for it unless he accepts something between Bennett and Fasano.

I didn't expect it before, but perhaps Ertz, Eifert or Escobar are on the radar unless Miami gets a bargain.


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Said it over and over the money is the issue


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Sorry, it wasn't Cimini, some guy from the NY Daily News. Now tweeting that the Fins weren't yet willing to offer a multi-year deal.


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Said it over and over the money is the issue



Not hard to figure out that money was the issue.

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