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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:12 am 
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1. Jake Long, Offensive Tackle

Not exactly the kind of season you want to have in a contract year. Long battled injury and looked a long way off the elite tackle who had graced the league in his first three campaigns as a Dolphin. Missing time didn’t help, but the problems started a long way before that with Long finishing only 21st in our Pass Blocking Efficiency metric. Coupled with a negative run blocking grade, Long was never going to live up to the big cap hit.

2012 Cap Hit: $12.8m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.2m
Value Differential: -$11.6m

2. Karlos Dansby, Linebacker

This isn’t a reflection on the play of Dansby, but rather the pay afforded to him. Indeed Dansby would finish the year our fifth-ranked middle linebacker with his work in run defense particularly impressive. But for a linebacker to be worth that kind of cap hit you really need to see them doing a lot more.

2012 Cap Hit: $11.3m
2012 Performance Based Value: $7m
Value Differential: -$4.3m

3. Reggie Bush, Running Back

Bush failed to turn his 227 carries into a 1,000 yard season and he failed to justify his big $6 million cap hit. His fumbles (four of them) were a big problem and he didn’t have the sort of impact in the passing game that would make it impossible for the Dolphins to let him hit free agency. At his core he remains the same back who goes searching for space to do his best work.

2012 Cap Hit: $6m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.7m
Value Differential: -$4.3m

4. Tony McDaniel, DT – Cap: $4.2m, PBV: $825k, Value Differential: -$3.3m

5. Matt Moore, QB – Cap: $3.8m, PBV: $700k, Value Differential: -$3.1m

6. Richard Marshall, CB – Cap: $3.7m, PBV: $825k, Value Differential: -$2.9m

7. Jared Odrick, DE – Cap: $3.1m, PBV: $940k, Value Differential: -$2.2m

8. Paul Soliai, DT – Cap: $4.1m, PBV: $2.2m, Value Differential: -$1.9m

9. Randy Starks, DT – Cap: $5m, PBV: $3.1m, Value Differential: -$1.9m

10. Richie Incognito, OG – Cap: $4.9m, PBV: $3.8m, Value Differential: -$1.1m

(* Denotes player missed significant portion of time through injury)


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... -dolphins/

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:16 pm 
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Go get another middle linebacker


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:27 pm 
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Hopefully, they can rework Dansby's contract..............he's been an extremely good signing. Considering our other needs, I don't think releasing him is a viable option.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:41 pm 
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Sign Bart Scott and send Dansby packing to the tune of 7 million in savings


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Bart will be 33, when the 2013 season begins..........last year he was often taken out of 3rd down packages. I don't think he'll be a Dolphin, much less a replacement for Dansby.


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Bart will be 33, when the 2013 season begins..........last year he was often taken out of 3rd down packages. I don't think he'll be a Dolphin, much less a replacement for Dansby.


And Dansby will be 32, in November(your point)....He has shown not to be on board with this coaching staff and simply isn't worth that type money anymore.


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Dansby has been nothing what he was in Arizona. Quintessential free agent.

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..............he's been an extremely good signing

He has? What?!?


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Makchell wrote:
..............he's been an extremely good signing

He has? What?!?


And he cost 11 million on the cap


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:23 am 
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I have no complaint about our linebacking core this year. They did their job.
We can take care of that next offseason. For now the weaknesses are receivers, secondary, d-end and off. tackle.


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Wow............I didn't realize there was so much resentment for Dansby on this fourm. Per Profootball, he's ranked 5th among 32 middle linebackers. How many players do we have that are ranked top 5 or even top 10 for their respective positions. I only count 7 (Dansby, Jones, Wake, Fields, Wallace, Starks and maybe Incognito).

We have a very good LB combo in Dansby and Burnett, with all our other needs we have, this isn't the year to be transitioning in a new MLB.


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This is a silly list. Putting Matt Moore as overvalued when he's the backup quarterback is stupid in my opinion. Especially when you consider he won the only game he played in, and played pretty good. By this rational he would have been a great value had Tannehill been hurt and he played the entire season. You know what having a quality backup is, it's priceless. If you have to pay a little more than most for a guy like that, who cares, it's not like Moore is hurting our CAP number with his contract anyway.


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wkloiber13 wrote:
This is a silly list. Putting Matt Moore as overvalued when he's the backup quarterback is stupid in my opinion. Especially when you consider he won the only game he played in, and played pretty good. By this rational he would have been a great value had Tannehill been hurt and he played the entire season. You know what having a quality backup is, it's priceless. If you have to pay a little more than most for a guy like that, who cares, it's not like Moore is hurting our CAP number with his contract anyway.


I agree. Backup QBs aren't measured by their contributions on the field, unless the starter is hurt badly or plays that poorly.


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degs wrote:
wkloiber13 wrote:
This is a silly list. Putting Matt Moore as overvalued when he's the backup quarterback is stupid in my opinion. Especially when you consider he won the only game he played in, and played pretty good. By this rational he would have been a great value had Tannehill been hurt and he played the entire season. You know what having a quality backup is, it's priceless. If you have to pay a little more than most for a guy like that, who cares, it's not like Moore is hurting our CAP number with his contract anyway.


I agree. Backup QBs aren't measured by their contributions on the field, unless the starter is hurt badly or plays that poorly.


Right, nobody thinks about the backup quarterback until your starter gets hurt and you wind up like the Colts from a couple of years ago. I for one am happy we have a competent backup behind Tannehill. Moore is still in the prime of his career and could literally find himself playing backup for the Dolphins for as long as he would like, that is of course if he's able to deal with not being the starter.


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shularino wrote:
Wow............I didn't realize there was so much resentment for Dansby on this fourm. Per Profootball, he's ranked 5th among 32 middle linebackers. How many players do we have that are ranked top 5 or even top 10 for their respective positions. I only count 7 (Dansby, Jones, Wake, Fields, Wallace, Starks and maybe Incognito).

We have a very good LB combo in Dansby and Burnett, with all our other needs we have, this isn't the year to be transitioning in a new MLB.


Totally agree. The article said he was overpaid at $11.3 million, but his performance was equal to making $7 million (which is a pretty darn good year in 2012). Everyone knew we overpaid for him when we signed him to that FA contract, but he's a top 5 middle linebacker. The Dolphins would have been smart to have looked for a replacement starting in last year's draft as a lot of free agent contracts are back-loaded near the end of their contracts.

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Not resentment but not what I expected given what he was in Arizona. He is a nice player. But with most bigger name free agents the bang you get is not what you expected for what you spent. The Steelers dont seem to be players for Wallace for a reason. I know they are better off at the position than we are but there is no way they over pay for him like whoever signs him will.
Funny how with Dansby when he spoke out against the staff the opinion was at that time that he has not lived up to his hype.

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FINesse wrote:
Funny how with Dansby when he spoke out against the staff the opinion was at that time that he has not lived up to his hype.


I will agree with this as well. He may be a top 5 linebacker, but how many Pro Bowls has he made with the Dolphins? He is very valuable as a middle linebacker for us, but he isn't the playmaking machine that he seemed to be at Arizona. And he's surrounded by some good teammates in Miami.

I think the Dolphins should eat his salary once again this year (which isn't bad since he is a top 5 linebacker) and look to the draft for a replacement in 2014.

I'm surprised by all the anti-Dansby comments when you have Reggie Bush, Tony McDaniel, Richard Marshall, and Paul Soliai (remember that we franchised him?) not performing up to their contracts by millions of dollars.

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FINesse wrote:
Funny how with Dansby when he spoke out against the staff the opinion was at that time that he has not lived up to his hype.


I will agree with this as well. He may be a top 5 linebacker, but how many Pro Bowls has he made with the Dolphins? He is very valuable as a middle linebacker for us, but he isn't the playmaking machine that he seemed to be at Arizona. And he's surrounded by some good teammates in Miami.

I think the Dolphins should eat his salary once again this year (which isn't bad since he is a top 5 linebacker) and look to the draft for a replacement in 2014.

I'm surprised by all the anti-Dansby comments when you have Reggie Bush, Tony McDaniel, Richard Marshall, and Paul Soliai (remember that we franchised him?) not performing up to their contracts by millions of dollars.


London Fletcher doesnt make Pro Bowls either but I would have loved to have him on my team. On the flipside Ray Lewis didnt deserve his last few trips to the pro bowl.


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Big Dave wrote:
I think the Dolphins should eat his salary once again this year (which isn't bad since he is a top 5 linebacker) and look to the draft for a replacement in 2014.


There is also the possibility of restructuring the contract to more "market" terms for the level of play, while the rookie gets up to speed


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Don't forget Dansby played the last 9 games with a torn bicep last year. He tore his left bicep on 10/28 against the Jets.

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