I have been waiting for all that to happen for a long time, I hope it comes together in 2 years its well deserved for most of us...

I see the Fins bringing Hartline back, not sure how they could really let him walk unless he was outrageous with his contract demands(see Jake Long).

I can also see how the team would try to sign at least 1 of the following 3 vets(Wallace, Jennings, Bowe) and still pick a WR with their #12 pick in this upcoming draft.

I am hoping they are able to bring in a sure fire #1 WR thru FA, and hoping they do draft 2 WRs in the upcoming draft(one in round 2 and the other in rounds 3 or 4) and let the guys compete for roster spots. Making this area of weakness become one of strength relatively quickly.

I believe it will really come down to what the Fins do pickup in FA.....once some guys get dropped so teams can get under the cap we'll have a clearer picture on what is available and the teams needs going into the draft.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

I guess some people only see the world in black and white.

There seems to be some contradiction as to whether the Dolphins are serious about resigning Hartline. Armando Salguero, beat writer for the Miami Herald tweeted Sunday, February 10th, there has been no significant progress in resigning Brian Hartline.


2/10/13 Tweet From Armondo in response to a question from one of his followers:

Reported last week no significant progress. @DoctorYarid: Any info on re-signing Hartline

Rich, I merely stated you didn't seem to have a lot of confidence in Hartline based on your post. So when you say my opinion that we should be serious about upgrading the receiving corps and do what we can to bring in two exceptional receivers.........likely making Hartline the 4th option is "silly"..............I'm going to respond back.

If I had to let one of the current receivers go, then it would be Bess. Hartline would excel in the role of slot receiver.

Greg Jennings is the # 4 WR on another team...

That's an interesting spin, Bess will be a restricted free agent after 2013. He's set to make $2.63 mil this year. If we do make a big Free Agent WR acquisition and Hartline is resigned, do we look to trade Bess before the draft?

Absolutely not. Hartline doesn't have the hips or the burst ..... nor do I believe he could take the hits he would in the slot.

Last year he was injured, so he only had 366 yards, but he's been the primary target at Green Bay since he arrived.

2011 - 949 (2nd)
2010 - 1,265 (1st)
2009 - 1,113 (1st)
2008 - 1,292 (1st)
2007 - 902 (2nd) *12 TD's
2006 - 632 (2nd)

I agree with you Rex, I wouldn't trade Bess and try to plug in Hartline.

Taking a look at the receiving corps for Green Bay (Philbin's old team)........I'm not sure Hartline would make that roster.

Green Bay's Top 4 Wide Receivers: James Jones, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, and Randall Cobb. That's a very serious group!

I've been criticized on this post for suggesting, if signed, Hartline will be the No. 4 receiver on this team........well it seems logical Philbin wants to build an offense similar to what he had in Green Bay......so expect serious upgrades at receiver.

Which team is that... The NFC Pro Bowl team?

I believe that was sarcasm.




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Yeah I tend to express that from time to time.

Personally I have no background in building NFL franchises, nor have I ever been a scout or analyst. Simply one fan with an opinion...



On a serious note tho, it is a red flag for me that they are not attempting to keep him there.. I hope he can return to his old form if we do go after him.

I agree, Hartline would be the #5 receiver if he were on the Packers. Yet he's our #1 right now. That just tells you how depleted we are at receiver. I feel that Bess is a better receiver than Hartline over the course of their careers. I also think that if the Dolphins make an honest attempt to upgrade our wideouts, then Hartline could be the #4 guy. It sounds crazy, but I agree.

I truly hope this team adds at a minimum two receivers this offseason. I'm hoping to see us draft two receivers in the first three rounds. Adding two big prospects and mixing them with Hartline and Bess would help Tannehill out a lot. Either that or add Jennings and a receiver in the first three rounds. Either way, we're going to improve.

Oh it doesn't just sound crazy .....

But he will be #1 here & of course #1 in our hearts.

Thats the image in my head when someone tells me Jeff Ireland is going to make such a splash in FA and the draft that current starters will be obsolete

Guys like Hartline can be bundled in a draft day trade in a year or two. Or if released in that time, would not be a serious cap hit. It is just security, even if the hope is that all of our WR's will be better than him...

I would say calling him a #4 would be a stretch but I don't doubt that Philbin and Sherman think a whole lot more of him. They give the impression that they believe their offensive system can make most WRs look that good.

My question for them would be if Hartline is 26, has 74 catches, at a 14.6 yard average, & wants 5-6M a year, is that not a good value in comparison to an aging and injury prone Jennings that wants 6-7M a year?

If that were they case they'd be morons. Anthony Amrstrong, Gabbar Gaffney, Legadu Nanee, Roberto "Ankle Weights" Wallace .... dare I continue?

I think Bess is fine, but what makes anyone think he is better than Hartline. Hartline gets open deep. Bess rarely does. Hartline consistently has the highest yards per catch on the team. Bess averages around 10-11 yards a grab. Bess goes down with the first contact and often runs backwards when challenged. Hartline has good chemistry with Tannehill already.

I would rather trade Bess than let Hartline walk. I don't think Hartline is going to get $6 million, but teams that have talent and know talent will go after him. I am sure Brady could make the guy a TD machine.

You conveniently leave out his horrid TD numbers.
Hartline had 74 catches once. He had 78 combined the previous two years.

Hartline is an OK receiver, but he is not a #1 not even a #2. Anyone who gives him $6m a year is insane. He's not worth anywhere near that.

He's a good guy to have on a team. But not at that price

whoever signs Hartline takes themselves out of the Jennings/ Wallace sweepstakes.

Bess is better in the slot. That's what people are saying. It requires a certain skillset to play in the slot.

Hard to say that Bess is better in the slot, since Hartline has not got much chance to play that position.

I think Hartline is the kind of guy that will take pretty much any assignment they give him at WR and be a solid contributor. Bess has good hands and gets open underneath...but let's face it, defenses typically give that underneath route to him all day. The guy practically tackles himself after the catch. I would prefer that Miami keep Bess and Hartline, but if they make big free agent moves and draft a WR, one of them probably will be expendable. In that case, I would let Bess go. He is a slot receiver only. Hartline can fulfill that role if asked, along with still being able to line up as the #2 guy...and capable of getting open deep....If the team had a true #1 receiver opposite Hartline, I suspect he would have a great season. When Hartline was the only real receiving threat, teams were able to shut that down. I also think Tannehill and Hartline have work well together....why would you want to lose that chemistry? Tannehill needs all the help he can get.

I did notice him making bigger plays last year at times though, so there is hope....but I don't think he is doing anything that Hartline couldn't. In fact, the few times I saw them trying deep plays to Bess were laughable. Hartline clearly has the edge there. Bess was a magnificent find for an undrafted free agent, but he really doesn't scare opposing defenses. Just don't trade him to Brady and company.

I think Hartline is a solid number 2 receiver whose potential may not have been fully tapped.

It's easy to say it, because Bess has proven himself as a good slot receiver. Hartline hasn't proven it.

No it's not.

Just like you can have two quarterbacks, one is more athletic and the other one is better in the pocket, you don't turn around and put the pocket passer in the pistol and the athletic quarterback in a pass offense that revolves around reading through progressions, you don't put a taller guy with straight line speed who doesn't have much pop and doesn't get YAC in the slot and then put a shorter guy who works well in small spaces and changes direction quickly as your flanker.

Hartline is a guy who's physical skillset makes him a better fit working outside the hashmarks while Bess is the perfect fit as a slot receiver because of his quickness and explosion when changing direction.

I really like Hartline, but I have to admit to being one of the idiots here that thought we shouldn't have traded Camarillo. I think I'll trust the Dolphins with this one as I am not the best at evaluating receivers that are not #1 receivers, and Hartline is clearly not a #1.

The wants of our very ordinary free agents are getting a bit out of hand. Let them go elsewhere and mire in mediocrity or stay here at a reasonable price and be a part of the next great dynasty in the NFL.