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Mike Max of CBS Minnesota reports that the Vikings will indeed attempt to trade Percy Harvin this offseason.
Citing "sources," Max reports that Harvin unleashed an "embarrassing" tirade on coach Leslie Frazier during the season, and the episode not only alienated coaches but Harvin's teammates, as well. The sides now appear headed for divorce, even if the Vikings deny it vehemently so as to avoid losing trade leverage. Harvin had a similar incident with ex-Vikings coach Brad Childress. Although acquiring a first-rounder for Harvin may prove too difficult, Minnesota figures to ask for at least a second-rounder and some change.
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No doubt that Percy is the playmaker the Dolphins would love. The problem is he obviously has had problems with both coaching staffs and he has been injury prone.

Joe Philbin does not like to deal with problem children, so I don't think he would even entertain looking at Harvin. But there no doubt that Harvin is a playmaker.

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No doubt that Percy is the playmaker the Dolphins would love. The problem is he obviously has had problems with both coaching staffs and he has been injury prone.

Joe Philbin does not like to deal with problem children, so I don't think he would even entertain looking at Harvin. But there no doubt that Harvin is a playmaker.
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If Miami can land him for a 2nd or 3rd, then Joe should grow a pair & become a coach & learn how to reach players that need reaching. This hiding behind I only want perfect players is a cowards way out of not wanting to do part of your job.


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I agree that Miami should explore this option with Percy and like Dphins4me said, if we can get him for a 2nd or 3rd, you really consider pulling the trigger & especially if his contract is fairly friendly for his skills.


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I agree that Miami should explore this option with Percy and like Dphins4me said, if we can get him for a 2nd or 3rd, you really consider pulling the trigger & especially if his contract is fairly friendly for his skills.


He still has one more year left on his contract. I agree Dphins, Percy is a rare talent that can take a little short pass and take it to the house. Very explosive return man as well.

He a young and ascending talent. You certainly have to weight the negatives, but he is young, fast and talented.

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especially if his contract is fairly friendly for his skills.


Therein lies the rub... Harvin is in a contract year, so we would be either renting him for a year or looking to renegotiate/extend his contract, which either way is not likely to be "friendly". (I'm not sure what his cap hit would be if we just traded for him with his current contract.

Add this to his injury history and personal baggage, and I say pass, unless it's a deal that's an absolute steal for us.


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If Miami can land him for a 2nd or 3rd, then Joe should grow a pair & become a coach & learn how to reach players that need reaching. This hiding behind I only want perfect players is a cowards way out of not wanting to do part of your job.

A coward for not wanting to sign a player that has blown up on two coaches? lol...


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Add this to his injury history and personal baggage, and I say pass,

I agree.


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phinsfansc wrote:
No doubt that Percy is the playmaker the Dolphins would love. The problem is he obviously has had problems with both coaching staffs and he has been injury prone.

Joe Philbin does not like to deal with problem children, so I don't think he would even entertain looking at Harvin. But there no doubt that Harvin is a playmaker.
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If Miami can land him for a 2nd or 3rd, then Joe should grow a pair & become a coach & learn how to reach players that need reaching. This hiding behind I only want perfect players is a cowards way out of not wanting to do part of your job.


Thats blowing it way out of proportion. Coward? Really? He's building a culture and a locker room. He's not a college coach who needs to help some 18 year old mature. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to deal with guys that can't be team players or handle themselves properly on and off the field.

Coaches don't "reach" guys, team leaders do.


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Dphins4me wrote:
phinsfansc wrote:
No doubt that Percy is the playmaker the Dolphins would love. The problem is he obviously has had problems with both coaching staffs and he has been injury prone.

Joe Philbin does not like to deal with problem children, so I don't think he would even entertain looking at Harvin. But there no doubt that Harvin is a playmaker.
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If Miami can land him for a 2nd or 3rd, then Joe should grow a pair & become a coach & learn how to reach players that need reaching. This hiding behind I only want perfect players is a cowards way out of not wanting to do part of your job.


Thats blowing it way out of proportion. Coward? Really? He's building a culture and a locker room. He's not a college coach who needs to help some 18 year old mature. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to deal with guys that can't be team players or handle themselves properly on and off the field.

Coaches don't "reach" guys, team leaders do.


Agreed. He's a professional now and he signed a contract. He doesn't have that four year scholarship anymore and is not learning and growing. Here in the NFL it's day to day. His scholarship can be revoked tomorrow afternoon.

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Big headache ... migraine if you ask me.

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A coward for not wanting to sign a player that has blown up on two coaches? lol...
Yes, coward. He did not want to coach up Davis, because Davis was not perfect little player who needed reaching. So he shipped him out & opened up a void on the team. He did not want to coach up Marshall, so he shipped him out for below value.

Not every player is a choir boy & needs a coach to reach him. At some point Philben needs to step up & be a coach.

Lawerence Taylor was not a choir boy, but BP understood how to coach & how to reach him. That is what I'm referring too. Being able to reach players.


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Big headache ... migraine if you ask me.

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If you could land him for a 3rd, I think you're absolutely stealing him away from Minny.

Harvin is a BIG TIME playmaker. I'd take the chance.

The problem though isn't with the draft compensation. It's the new contract he'll get.


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FINesse wrote:
Big headache ... migraine if you ask me.

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If you could land him for a 3rd, I think you're absolutely stealing him away from Minny.

Harvin is a BIG TIME playmaker. I'd take the chance.

The problem though isn't with the draft compensation. It's the new contract he'll get.



He worth more than Hartline, that for sure. He is a gamble on greatness, as you do have to consider the blow up with the coaching staff and his injury history.

He's a playmaker, no question about that. That said, this is not how Philbin works though in regards to problem children.

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Yes, coward. He did not want to coach up Davis, because Davis was not perfect little player who needed reaching. So he shipped him out & opened up a void on the team. He did not want to coach up Marshall, so he shipped him out for below value.

Not every player is a choir boy & needs a coach to reach him. At some point Philben needs to step up & be a coach.

Lawerence Taylor was not a choir boy, but BP understood how to coach & how to reach him. That is what I'm referring too. Being able to reach players.


I don't recall LT being a locker room cancer, not knowing his assignments, or showing up not ready to play.

Pretty sure Marshall didn't even want to be with the Dolphins anymore or part of a rebuilding project.

Philbin isn't a high school or college coach. And its more than just inspiring guys, there are business decisions involved here. Choir boys? Yeah, I'm sure there isn't anyone on the current roster who has had legal issues, a drug issue, an attitude issue or some other problem. Maybe the next move should be to hire Ned Flanders as Director of Player Personnel.


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I don't think it is a matter of finding choir boys with Philbin. I think it is a matter of finding players who want to help the team, not just help themselves.

Vontae was traded because he showed up to camp overweight and Marshall was traded because he was out there badmouthing team mates every other day when things didn't go right. Chad Johnson was released with fair warning because he went from an f-bomb press conference to slapping up his wife.

I don't think Philbin is looking for choir boys, I think he is looking for hard-nosed players who are going to work hard to be the best they can be.

In regard to Harvin, I'm not sure what his locker room issues have been, but I'm sure if they involve being a primadonna or a locker room cancer, the Dolphins will pass.

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Yes, coward. He did not want to coach up Davis, because Davis was not perfect little player who needed reaching. So he shipped him out & opened up a void on the team. He did not want to coach up Marshall, so he shipped him out for below value.

Not every player is a choir boy & needs a coach to reach him. At some point Philben needs to step up & be a coach.

Lawerence Taylor was not a choir boy, but BP understood how to coach & how to reach him. That is what I'm referring too. Being able to reach players


These are grown men. A coach/boss shouldn't have to "reach" an emplyee. The employee should go out and do his/her job and not bad mouth the coach/boss, let alone two bosses/coaches. Rich summed it up pretty good in the post above regarding Davis, Marshall, and CJ.


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Add this to his injury history and personal baggage, and I say pass,

I agree.


I'm with you on this. At least Brandon Marshall was a likable headcase.

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Boy, I cannot wait until this team becomes a power house again......Hopefully, Ireland and company are smart as this is the first time I can even remember seeing the fins in such a salary cap friendly situation and there are some good choices in free agency and I am also hopeful there are good college players out there in Aprils draft that if Miami is smart, we can plug in alot of these voids.


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These are grown men. A coach/boss shouldn't have to "reach" an emplyee. The employee should go out and do his/her job and not bad mouth the coach/boss, let alone two bosses/coaches. Rich summed it up pretty good in the post above regarding Davis, Marshall, and CJ.

In the perfect world, you are 100% correct. Is this a perfect world?

Rich maybe 100% correct.


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I don't think it is a matter of finding choir boys with Philbin. I think it is a matter of finding players who want to help the team, not just help themselves.

Vontae was traded because he showed up to camp overweight and Marshall was traded because he was out there badmouthing team mates every other day when things didn't go right. Chad Johnson was released with fair warning because he went from an f-bomb press conference to slapping up his wife.

I don't think Philbin is looking for choir boys, I think he is looking for hard-nosed players who are going to work hard to be the best they can be.

In regard to Harvin, I'm not sure what his locker room issues have been, but I'm sure if they involve being a primadonna or a locker room cancer, the Dolphins will pass.



Very valid points Rich. I heard Adam Schefter talking about the situation tonight and he has said that Percy and Leslie have talked and the issues have been cleared up. Said Harvin is a big fan of Leslie.

He most certainly wants a new contract, so right now it on Minnesota to try to get him signed.

Once again, love his talent, and I might be willing to take the chance on him because he is a homerun threat any time he touches the ball. He a talented young player, but if he is indeed a locker room cancer, the Dolphins will pass.

It all could be a moot point. Minnesota needs all the weapons they can get, especially at WR. There was talk about Harvin being an MVP candidate early in the year before he got hurt. Losing him would be a big blow.

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Now he says he will hold out. if I'm the Vikings I call his bluff. Let him hold out , then he will show up a couple of weeks before the season to get paid & to get out of his fines. He will be out of shape & probably tear an ACL or something , then he will be humbled to get paid.

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Its not just the attitude, its the get paid approach. Yes I understand everyone wants to get their due, but apparently has said he'll hold out wherever he goes until he gets a contract. So if you are dealing for him you are going all in. He's not a one year trial for a draft pick.

I look at the Pats' mixed success in rehabbing problem guys. That is an established culture with good leaders. Randy Moss worked out for about a season or two but Haynesworth, Johnson, Gabriel, Winslow...you just never know what you're getting. Even Talib, while he did very well, they won't re-sign long term because of the uncertainty.


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Its not just the attitude, its the get paid approach. Yes I understand everyone wants to get their due, but apparently has said he'll hold out wherever he goes until he gets a contract. So if you are dealing for him you are going all in. He's not a one year trial for a draft pick.

Now he says he will hold out. if I'm the Vikings I call his bluff. Let him hold out , then he will show up a couple of weeks before the season to get paid & to get out of his fines. He will be out of shape & probably tear an ACL or something , then he will be humbled to get paid.


Honestly Scot, would you still take a shot on him?


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Honestly Scot, would you still take a shot on him?

After 17+ years of painfully watching Miami struggle. Yes, if Miami could land him for a 3rd. I'd gamble, but want a new deal in place before making the trade.

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After 17+ years of painfully watching Miami struggle

That's the truth....


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Constantly injured and clearly has a "me" personality type? Where do I sign up? What a great investment that would be.

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Constantly injured and clearly has a "me" personality type? Where do I sign up? What a great investment that would be.


Seriously, where does this "constantly injured" label come from? That's simply not the case...


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Seriously, where does this "constantly injured" label come from? That's simply not the case...


Oh I dunno .... EDIT: Prolly the fact that he's only played a full 16 game regular season once. He's missed a combined 8 games in 4 years. Dude is always on the injury report fighting something .... whether it's migraine headaches, groin, ligament tear in ankle, etc. etc.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... rvPe00.htm

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ProFootballTalk.com has a post on there about Harvin. He is apparently looking for Larry Fitzgerald/Calvin Johnson type of money.

Is this kid out of his damn mind? Talented he is, but between the blow ups with the coaching staff and his ability to stay healthy, NO one is going to come close to giving him that type of money.

Here is the story......

Report: Harvin could be seeking Megatron/Fitzgerald money
Posted by Josh Alper on February 13, 2013, 3:13 PM EST
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We reported on Monday that Vikings wide receiver Percy Harvin is planning to hold out if he doesn’t get a long-term deal from the team this offseason, something that could be complicated by his reported contract demands.

Josina Anderson of ESPN.com spoke to a “high-ranking Vikings source” about Harvin and the source said he didn’t think a holdout would solve Harvin’s contract desires. That’s because of Harvin’s lack of leverage in the situation, but the standoff could also be impacted by the fact that Harvin apparently sees himself in the same class with Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson as the best wideouts in the NFL.

“[Harvin] is a star player in our league, but I would imagine that he sees himself in the class of the top wide receivers in our league,” the source said. “I do know at his production, when he was healthy, he was producing along with Larry and Calvin and those guys. I could see Harvin’s agent making the argument that he deserves their type of pay.”

He can make any argument he likes, but it’s hard to put Harvin in that kind of company based on their careers to this point. Harvin does many things well, but he doesn’t overwhelm defenses the way the other two men have done in their careers. Johnson just signed an eight-year, $150.5 million deal before the 2012 season and Fitzgerald is in the middle of his own eight-year, $128.5 million deal with plenty of guaranteed money in both cases.

If Harvin really is looking for that kind of money, his chances of getting a contract with the Vikings aren’t too hot. They probably won’t look any better to another team, which could mean this saga has a while to play out.

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Hi. I'm Percy Harvin.

I've never had a 1000 yard season or caught double digit touchdowns. I have questionable durability and character.

But should pay me like the best wideout ever.

The end.

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Hi. I'm Percy Harvin.

I've never had a 1000 yard season or caught double digit touchdowns. I have questionable durability and character.

But should pay me like the best wideout ever.

The end.


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Oh I dunno .... EDIT: Prolly the fact that he's only played a full 16 game regular season once. He's missed a combined 8 games in 4 years. Dude is always on the injury report fighting something .... whether it's migraine headaches, groin, ligament tear in ankle, etc. etc.
So was Reggie Bush in Orleans. All we heard about was his knee.


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MNDolfan wrote:
Seriously, where does this "constantly injured" label come from? That's simply not the case...


Oh I dunno .... EDIT: Prolly the fact that he's only played a full 16 game regular season once. He's missed a combined 8 games in 4 years. Dude is always on the injury report fighting something .... whether it's migraine headaches, groin, ligament tear in ankle, etc. etc.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... rvPe00.htm


You fail to note that six of those eight games were this season... and despite the fact he's had migraine problems in the past, he hasn't had those problems the last couple of years.

Before this season, guy has played in all but three games in three years. I'd say that's pretty durable.


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You fail to note that six of those eight games were this season... and despite the fact he's had migraine problems in the past, he hasn't had those problems the last couple of years.

Before this season, guy has played in all but three games in three years. I'd say that's pretty durable.


All you've proven is that he's continued to miss more games as his career has gone on.

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So was Reggie Bush in Orleans. All we heard about was his knee.


Plays a completely different, more physical position. Also didn't cost us the draft picks and contract Harvin would.

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Harvin's complete injury history .....

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Rock, where did you get that chart?


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Rock, where did you get that chart?


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So was Reggie Bush in Orleans. All we heard about was his knee.

Yep and his knee bothered him this season as well.


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Hate to say it. Harvin is a "product of the system". Everyone is so set on stopping Peterson, that Harvin gets away with his one-on-ones that he can exploit. Yes, he is a home run hitter, but he can't do it alone..... If Miami were to grab him via trade, we would need a more threatening backfield.

Harvin plus resigning Bush............ that would make things kinda interesting, especially if both were in motion a lot causing match up problems.

Harvin plus Wallace/Bowe/Jennings..........eh!!! there would be no legitimate running threat and everyone could play cover 2 press on us all day long (Yes I know Miller is competent, but who is gonna give him any respect until he does something)

Just saying. Im all for trading a low 2 or 3rd for Harvin, giving him an incentive laden extension (he wants Megatron money, great..... $4 million bonus if he breaks 1500 yards, $4 million bonus for 10+ TDs, $2 million bonus for 90+ receptions.... there's your 10 million, now earn it!) but he's gotta be paired with more than just Bess, Miller and Fasano. It wont work if that is the big acquisition


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