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Post Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
He kept it pretty vague, but if I had to read between the lines for next year........

- Lamar Miller will be the featured back.
- Reshad Mathews impressed, so Hartline is expendable.
- Confidence in Oliver Vernon, so don't look for a high draft pick or Big Free Agent signing at DE.
- Extremely impressed with Tannehill. The Dolphins wont draft another QB.
- The mentality of the Coaches/Staff is to keep this team young. Don't look for big money to be spent on FA's past their prime.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
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He kept it pretty vague, but if I had to read between the lines for next year........

- Lamar Miller will be the featured back.
- Reshad Mathews impressed, so Hartline is expendable.
- Confidence in Oliver Vernon, so don't look for a high draft pick or Big Free Agent signing at DE.
- Extremely impressed with Tannehill. The Dolphins wont draft another QB.
- The mentality of the Coaches/Staff is to keep this team young. Don't look for big money to be spent on FA's past their prime.

audio file from Finsiders

http://www.miamidolphins.com/media/audio/Jeff-Ireland-Joins-The-Finsiders/75ca6731-1865-43e0-8f09-37dd99a0ade3


Miller from what little we got to see from him looked pretty good. It will be interesting to see how he's able to do with more touches. If it were up to me, I'd like to see the Dolphins add someone like Eddie Lacy from Alabama in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft if we're unable to re-sign Bush at the right price.


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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
I'm thinking the team is looking for a power back in FA to compete with Daniel Thomas. There's a lot of big names out there........Steven Jackson, Cedric Benson, Shonn Greene, etc.

Considering the needs of this team..........I expect our top 5 picks to be spent on WR, DB and OL. I'd be surprised if we spent a pick on RB in the first 3 rds.


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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
shularino wrote:
.I expect our top 5 picks to be spent on WR, DB and OL. I'd be surprised if we spent a pick on RB in the first 3 rds.


Between FA and the draft, I think it is safe to say we will pick up two of each. And not just middle of the road FAs or mid round picks


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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
shularino wrote:
He kept it pretty vague, but if I had to read between the lines for next year........

- Lamar Miller will be the featured back.
- Reshad Mathews impressed, so Hartline is expendable.
- Confidence in Oliver Vernon, so don't look for a high draft pick or Big Free Agent signing at DE.
- Extremely impressed with Tannehill. The Dolphins wont draft another QB.
- The mentality of the Coaches/Staff is to keep this team young. Don't look for big money to be spent on FA's past their prime.

audio file from Finsiders

http://www.miamidolphins.com/media/audio/Jeff-Ireland-Joins-The-Finsiders/75ca6731-1865-43e0-8f09-37dd99a0ade3
That is stupid, As we should at least look for a day three value pick to develop as a back up and/or trade value.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
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That is stupid, As we should at least look for a day three value pick to develop as a back up and/or trade value.


I agree we should but it's a bit excessive to call someone's read of a bunch of vague statements as "stupid"


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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
This is gospel.

Ireland is well known for disclosing his offseason strategy step by step.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
Rich wrote:
This is gospel.

Ireland is well known for disclosing his offseason strategy step by step.


As do most GM's and HC's lol

However I can believe he is not putting a QB high on his list needs in the draft.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
degs wrote:
Alex13 wrote:
That is stupid, As we should at least look for a day three value pick to develop as a back up and/or trade value.


I agree we should but it's a bit excessive to call someone's read of a bunch of vague statements as "stupid"


Yeah Alex13, I have feelings too.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
shularino wrote:
degs wrote:
Alex13 wrote:
That is stupid, As we should at least look for a day three value pick to develop as a back up and/or trade value.


I agree we should but it's a bit excessive to call someone's read of a bunch of vague statements as "stupid"


Yeah Alex13, I have feelings too.

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Classic :) :grin:

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
My statement wasn't aimed at anyone I just think the idea of not taking a quarterback is dumb.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
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My statement wasn't aimed at anyone I just think the idea of not taking a quarterback is dumb.


Right now taking a QB should be limited to later rounds.
That's just IMO


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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
I'm not quite sure I understand the need to draft a developmental QB. It's not like our starting QB is getting ready to retire. Assuming Matt Moore leaves, then I would think we sign a veteran FA to compete with Devlin for the 2nd spot.


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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
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I'm not quite sure I understand the need to draft a developmental QB. It's not like our starting QB is getting ready to retire.


People are looking at:

a) the fact that the Washington Redskins drafted two QBs in one season and now have a valuable back-up

b) with QB being such a premium position, having a good back-up become a valuable asset can mean high draft picks (see Matt Schaub).

If there is a QB worth taking, I think it makes sense.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
degs wrote:
Alex13 wrote:
My statement wasn't aimed at anyone I just think the idea of not taking a quarterback is dumb.


Right now taking a QB should be limited to later rounds.
That's just IMO
That's what I'm saying as well.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
My point of view is any player drafted in the of the late rounds and proves to be exceptional, will be worth considerably more than their original draft value. We have several areas of need, QB not being one. We're better off spending our picks on players that will see the field.


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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
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My point of view is any player drafted in the of the late rounds and proves to be exceptional, will be worth considerably more than their original draft value. We have several areas of need, QB not being one. We're better off spending our picks on players that will see the field.


How many picks taken in the late rounds wind up seeing the field immediately?

It is a very low percentage.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
There's quite a few, even on our own team.............Davon Bess, Rishard Matthews, Charles Clay, Chris Clemons.


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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
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There's quite a few, even on our own team.............Davon Bess, Rishard Matthews, Charles Clay, Chris Clemons.


If you go through all the players taken rounds 4 thru 7, how many actually see considerable playing time in their rookie season? An even better question is, how many go on to successfully fulfill a need? I bet you'll find the percentage is fairly low.

You mentioned four players, how many of them have actually been good finds? Just Davone Bess.

Let's look at 2008 thru last year, all the players taken in round 4 or after.

2012 - Miami Dolphins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
4 97 Lamar Miller RB Miami (Fla.) - Barely saw the field
5 155 Josh Kaddu LB Oregon - Barely saw the field
6 183 B.J. Cunningham WR Michigan State - Gone
7 215 Kheeston Randall DT Texas - Barely saw the field
7 227 Rishard Matthews WR Nevada-Reno - Barely saw the field

2011 - Miami Dolphins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
4 111 Edmond Gates WR Abilene Christian - Gone
6 174 Charles Clay RB Tulsa - Back-up
7 231 Frank Kearse DT Alabama A&M - Gone
7 235 Jimmy Wilson DB Montana - Nickel back, but how much time does he have left?

2010 - Miami Dolphins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
4 119 A.J. Edds LB Iowa - Gone
5 145 Nolan Carroll CB Maryland - Starter, but how much time does he have left
5 163 Reshad Jones FS Georgia - Good pick
7 212 Chris McCoy LB Middle Tennessee State - Gone
7 252 Austin Spitler LB Ohio State - Back up

2009 - Miami Dolphins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
4 108 Brian Hartline WR Ohio State - Starter
5 161 John Nalbone TE Monmouth (N.J.) - Gone
5 165 Chris Clemons DB Clemson - Starter
6 181 Andrew Gardner T Georgia Tech - Gone
7 214 J.D. Folsom LB Weber State - Gone

2008 - Miami Dolphins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
4 110 Shawn Murphy G Utah State - Gone
6 176 Jalen Parmele RB Toledo - Gone
6 195 Donald Thomas G Connecticut - Gone
6 204 Lex Hilliard RB Montana - Gone
7 245 Lionel Dotson DE Arizona - Gone

A very low success rate for late round picks and actually, I bet the Dolphins have found more keepers late than most NFL teams.

If you can address WR and another position in free agency, you can address two or three more with your 1-3 round picks. It would make sense to take a QB later on to develop and increase his value.

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Post Re: Ireland discusses Dolphins - 2/5/13
I certainly don't disagree with you, that statistically speaking, players taken in later rounds are less likely to be contributors. My point is we are better served picking up a veteran QB backup through FA, than trusting a late round QB pick to run the offense. We are developing a young QB prospect in Devlin, but it's uncertain he could effectively run the offense like Moore.

I count 10 teams that will be looking to draft one or more QB's in this year's draft (Buffalo, NY Jets, Tenn, Jacksonville, Oakland, KC, Philly, Minnesota, Tampa & Ariz). Add five teams with veteran QB's that are looking for a strong developmental candidate (Den NE, SD, Pitt, Dal). Considering this is a weak QB draft and the demand from so many teams, it's highly unlikely we'll get a hit with a late round pick. Our later picks are better spent on developmental candidates at other positions.


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