http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedaily ... tannehill/

this is a bit of a better write up on the same topic.

Had Ireland not taken Tannehill with that pick being he was still there the scrutiny would have been unbearable. It was really the logical pick and that should be the philosophy. How it turns out only time will tell but it was the right pick & as someone who is not a big Ireland fan , I wont fault him if Tannehill fizzles.

I'm with you on this. There was little choice. With quarterbacks you have to roll the dice with them. Sometimes I wondered this season if the Dolphins played it safe with the playcalling. I hope they open things up this year as they should have more offensive weapons at the WR position.

I wouldn't call it "playing it safe". More like "desigining your gameplan to what you have". The Dolphins didn't have a speedy receiver or any top tier receiver for that matter.

I am excited to see Miami get a play making wide receiver and play making tight end.

I expect Jennings or Wallace in Free Agency and I see Fasano as a number 2 guy not a number one threat tight end, so hopefully we draft one of the top guys or possibly free agent Dustin Keller, although he gets hurt a lot it seems. I still like that big athletic tight end from Notre Dame if he is around for our second pick or if we trade out of the number 2 slot and into the late first round to get him.

Another stout starting offensive lineman would be ideal too.

You guys might disagree but I'm looking for RT to step up big this year and win games for us especially if we get reciever and OL help.

If we get him the weapons, which you have to figure we will, there's no more excuses. Put up or shut up time.

If we get him the weapons, which you have to figure we will, there's no more excuses. Put up or shut up time.

No more excuses.

Joe Flacco got five years of excuses.

He's Joe Flacco, not Ryan Tannehill. He was in a class with Matt Ryan, whom has shown he can make it to the playoffs but not get through them.

Tannehill is in a class with Luck, Wilson and RG3... all of which brought their teams to the post season this year, whereas Tannehill brought the team to a 7-9 record.

Different time, different expectations. Of course it's not as black and white as that... but QB's tend to get compared to who came out in their class more often than past classes... or so it seems.

What does he have to do next year for it not to be considered an excuse? chance at the playoff, playoffs or winning in the playoffs?

Ok, I can find plenty of other examples of QBs that were given time to develop and it paid off.



I don't see what that has to do with anything.

We should worry about our QB, not who else was drafted in his class. Is our QB getting better? That's all that matters.

You guys are like "yeah man no more excuses". What does that even mean? Does that mean he needs to start putting up 40 TDs a season? Does that mean he needs to win a Superbowl next year?

That's the problem in Miami... if a player stumbles we're ready to run him out of town.

And actually, in most cities the fanbase is ready to run the QB out of town after year two if he isn't tearing it up. Joe Flacco is a perfect example of that.

Break the career TD record.

I know I am in the minority about Wallace. Pittsburgh will not pay him because they know he is not worth what he is asking.

exactly! Pump the brakes a little on expectations guys. He's still the most inexperienced starter in the league.

that's ridiculous logic

well said Rich

Ridiculous to you maybe. It's a win now league, not a win in 10 years league.

Excuses would be doing worse than this year and continuing to blame the talent around him.

3500 yards, a positive TD/INT ratio and at least 8 wins would be a step in the right direction.

I can see both sides here. With no excuses, I agree that if he gets some better receivers and better protection then we should see improvement. Some more TD passes, a little more consistent with accuracy, a few more deep ball connections. But he's still a 2nd year QB and will make mistakes. He's not a failure if he shows even some improvement from last year.

Its a bit of a stretch to compare him with Luck, RG III, and Wilson. For as much as people don't want to hear it you need to accept that they were put into better situations with better talent. You can call that an excuse all you want but Washington still won without RG III and Seattle was winning games when Wilson was simply managing them at the beginning of the season. Luck you can make the argument carried the team from Day 1 but you're also looking at a guy with the potential to be the best QB we've ever seen.

We should be enjoying the fact that Miami has a young gun to build around.

The "no excuses" thing is a loaded argument.

He should play better in 2013 than he did in 2012, no excuses? Sure.

Should become a Playoff caliber QB, no excuses? That's pretty ridiculous, to me. You'd like to see it happen, but you can't expect him to keep pace with Luck and RG3, and have those expectations be completely rigid.

Not to mention, it is entirely possible that Luck and/or RGIII regress in their sophomore seasons. Especially a player like RGIII coming off a knee injury.

Once teams get film on these guys, they might start figuring out ways to defend them.

that's ridiculous logic

It's PZ's opinion, no need to repond like that. Anyway, I'll back track, I want to see improvment.

What about once they get film on Tannehill?? Improvement??
It was a good rookie QB class. We will see what history determines it was in the end.

really? with all the ridiculous back and forths around here, that comment got your attention?
Didn't you call a group of us a bunch of A-holes in one thread a few months back? LOL

I'm just curious, will those numbers change when we find out who his WRs, TEs, RBs and OLine are?

I think those numbers are perfectly reasonable.
But if they decide to part ways with Hartline and Fasano, I do not see how he can be expected to have chemistry right away.
Good thing is he will have more familiarity out there with the speed of defenses. But still without that chemistry who knows.

really? with all the ridiculous back and forths around here, that comment got your attention?
Didn't you call a group of us a bunch of A-holes in one thread a few months back? LOL

Well, if the shoe fits...J/K. It's a good discussion, just trying to keep it that way. Carry on.

I'm not sure that would do it with some Dolphins fans. I think he'd have to walk on water and part the Red Sea.

I guess it depends... but I'm fully expecting him to have a better cast around him. Call this my optimistic view on the 2013 season.

They are reasonable, but I find it nearly impossible to set goals until there is some idea of who will be on the team.

I agree completely. I do not have goals yet myself, and really do not plan on setting any. I do not feel this kid is a one or two year project, never have veiwed him that way. I figure he has 4 years to show whether or not he is the answer. He was a reach, he was raw and really nobody expected him to even be ready to play last year.

I think we can upgrade players via FA, and add more talent via draft and FA as well.. I am not a big fan of letting Fasano and Hartline walk. However I cant deny that if we are going to sign FA's, then take the best we can. Jennings and Keller would be upgrades at those positions.

But still need to add depth at TE, still need to add more speed and size to the WR's, still need to work on the o-line, still need help in the secondary, still need a pass rusher opposite Wake..

That is a lot of needs, and a lot to put on RT's shoulders at this point...

As of right now if he can get his TD/INT ratio to below 1:1 I would be happy with his progression, aside from that I have no expectations of him blowing us all away with his performance....

Maybe we can map this out so we can set realistic expectations based on the scenario.

For example, say we only keep Devone Bess and acquire 3 more receivers that are 5'9" and run 4.8 40s, then the expectation should be 2500 yards, 5 TDs and 15 INTs.

But if we acquire 4 wide receivers that are 6'4, 220 lbs and can run 4.2 40s plus have great hands and incredible route running skills, then it should be 4500 yards, 35 TDs and 12 INTs.

We should organize a summit to do this and come to a consensus.

Do the WR's have reality shows or criminal records? Are they old and unemployed? How much time will the need to "learn the playbook"? Are these slow WR's crappy like our current ones? What about TE? Are we going forward with Egnew?
Not enough info...

I know RT is not that good yet, I mean look at what Gafeney did after leaving here, and Johnson and Armstrong.. Those guys were obvious super stars that Tannehill could not get on track here.....

we should revisit this after free agency and the draft

I like it!!
Would you be willing to organise it Rich?
Make sure it is someplace 5 star.
I suggest The Venecian in Vegas, but I'll leave the decision with you.

that seems reasonable. LOL

Already stayed there twice, and actually it is pretty affordable for the quality of the hotel.

I'd rather try the Wynn next. Beautiful lobby!

But Phinfever will have to sponsor the summit. I got no moolah after Christmas and thanks to Washington DC my paycheck actually got smaller this year (I thought the tax increases only applied to those making over $400K a year...?).

I wish... I'm not liking the lower paycheck either lol.

Dave, how about it: Phinfever can sponsor a trip for 20 or so of us to the Wynn for a week? I apologise in advance for the price of my flight