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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:14 pm 
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Republicans and conservatives have warned that left wing policies will bankrupt us.

How do they respond when their own policies wreck states?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... ansas.html

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It's all relative. Picking and choosing a couple of stories doesn't tell the entire story. For example, there are plenty of examples of states following the conservative economic model that are some of the fastest growing economies in the country, such as Florida, Texas, Utah, Georgia, North Dakota, Idaho, Tennessee and South Carolina. There are some blue states way at the bottom of the list such as Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, New Hampshire and New Jersey.

Kansas and Louisiana actually rank 28th and 29th. Not exactly at the bottom of the list according to Business Insider.

But there are so many factors when doing an economic analysis that you can't just point to one or two things. Weather, regional conditions, economic drivers impacting industries that are beyond that state's controls. Sometimes it is easy to see what the problem is (Detroit, West Virginia), sometimes it is more complicated.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:51 pm 
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Rich, it really does feel that you are absolute on liberal policies and how they will cause ruin, but offering a nuanced response on conservative economic policies, even when they have led to bad results.

Those states drastically cut taxes and then they realized they had no revenue. Kansas had to close schools early.

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Rich wrote:
There are some blue states way at the bottom of the list such as Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, New Hampshire and New Jersey .


Minor point: the article specifically mentions having control of the legislature and governorship.

The only states listed above that Dems control all 3 is Vermont and Rhode Island.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:47 pm 
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Rich wrote:

Kansas and Louisiana actually rank 28th and 29th. Not exactly at the bottom of the list according to Business Insider.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/state-ec ... 015-2015-7

That list had it at 41 and 39.

Which list do you have? I would like to read it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:16 am 
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1984phins wrote:
Republicans and conservatives have warned that left wing policies will bankrupt us.


Arguing policy isn't going to change anything. Americans are always going to swap out one side for the other. Until there is change in consumer behavior, senses of entitlement and politicians being allowed to rig the system we will continue down our current path.


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Rich, it really does feel that you are absolute on liberal policies and how they will cause ruin, but offering a nuanced response on conservative economic policies, even when they have led to bad results.


Here we go, making the discussion about the participants rather than about the issue.

Why did I bother... :hithead:

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I'll be the first to admit, there is mailficence and coruption on both sides of the coin. GOP is losing me fast. But then I look over to the other side and you have Mr socialist commie moron and The murderer. We are in a sad state aren't we? Again, I just see no option but to support the outsider. :hithead:


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I'll be the first to admit, there is mailficence and coruption on both sides of the coin. GOP is losing me fast. But then I look over to the other side and you have Mr socialist commie moron and The murderer. We are in a sad state aren't we? Again, I just see no option but to support the outsider. :hithead:


The outsider is a grotesque goofball who sounds idiotic half the time. My concern with Trump is, will he be as authoritarian as he comes off? Is he out of his depth? I like some of his angles like the repurposing of NATO, but then he says other stuff that just sounds moronic.

This country needs a leader that gets people together to get things done, regardless of the extremes on both sides.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:32 am 
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I agree Rich. Trump has been s add Ying some dumb stuff. I believe he is just finally getting worn down. He is just getting smoked from all sides. Do you see Hillary getting .005 of the same abuse? I cringed when Trump said women need to be held accountable for abortions. Chris Matthews is a POS and his interview was completely unprofessional. I'd love to see someone go after Hillary like that. They seem dead set to make Trump look bad. He got lucky last time and the Paris bombings took the heat off. Bad week for the Don.


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Well to be honest.... if abortions were outlawed, why wouldn't the person seeking the abortion be punished? The person trying to buy the drugs gets punished. They aren't treated like a victim. The person carrying a small amount of weed (in states where carrying small amounts of weed is illegal) gets punished. They aren't treated like a victim.

I mean, the point of something being illegal is that you punish the people committing the illegal act.

This goes to show how retarded the country has gotten. It's actually kind of sad that we think of a woman who got pregnant because she did not take the proper steps to avoid the pregnancy as a victim (by way of this statement, I am excluding rape victims and mothers whose life is at risk due to the pregnancy). The victim here will be the unborn child that will be killed because the of irresponsibility of the irresponsible mother AND/OR father.

Now... TO BE CLEAR, especially with my liberal friends that can't think outside of their own emotions, I am not arguing for banning abortions before you get your panties in a wad. I am just pointing out that the context of Trump's comments were "if abortions were illegal".

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No I hear you. And Trump tried several times to skirt the issue, Matthews was just relentless, I'm really Surprised Trump let him wear him down like that. Watch Cruz navigate around questions, he is a master. Here's the deal....before Trump didn't give a s**t. You could hear it and people related. Now he is being careful and trying to please the GOP and he is just imploding. If something else newsworthy doesn't occur soon and the press just has all guns pointed at Trump, it's going to get ugly.


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He should just pick the latina governor from New Mexico as his running mate and shut up. lol

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Susana Martinez? :headscratch

That would be a ballsy move. But I think it would hurt him. It's a very Politically correct move to make and would be so out of character for Trump. MCcain tried that in 2008 to get the women votes after Hillary imploded and it's what sunk him. Trump has no ties to her whatsoever and would signal hes arrived as a true politician. What other deals is he going to make?

I think he may be saving a seat for Mike Huckabee. Mike is a great speaker, he has a ton of class. He's been a Governor. I dont think he's going to offer Christie the slot because he's not as well liked. And Dr Carson just has no experience. However all of them will have roles in the next presidency.

But Governor Martinez would be interesting. Hmmmmmmmm........ :headscratch


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Mike Huckabee would be a disaster. He's an awful candidate and he believes the world is 5,000 years old...

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Rich wrote:
Mike Huckabee would be a disaster. He's an awful candidate and he believes the world is 5,000 years old...

Certainly not the hippest candidate! But his daughter is a campaign manager for Trump and I see him making alot of pro Trump interviews. Guy makes some great points.


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MiamiMenace wrote:
Rich wrote:
Mike Huckabee would be a disaster. He's an awful candidate and he believes the world is 5,000 years old...

Certainly not the hippest candidate! But his daughter is a campaign manager for Trump and I see him making alot of pro Trump interviews. Guy makes some great points.


The Trump campaign would go nowhere with Mike Huckabee. It's all about swing states and demographics.

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Looks like the 8 SuperPacs that hate Trump accomplished their goal in Wisconsin. Cruz won it.

Here's the problem. The Republicans are separating the party. If Cruz were to get the nomination a large number of Trump supporters won't even vote this election. So they win a battle and we all lose the war to Hillary and Obama's 3rd term. And Vice versa if Trump gets it.

If anything at least the Huge problems with these lifelong senators is being exposed. Hopefully term limits are put in place.


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MiamiMenace wrote:
If Cruz were to get the nomination a large number of Trump supporters won't even vote this election.


I wouldn't fall into this trap with your analysis. This election is being defined by anger and a middle finger to career politicians who lecture about what is best for us.

I am not a Ted Cruz fan. I like his role as a senator who stirs up trouble for the establishment.

However, he can channel that anger as well on a national level. His advantage is articulation and intelligence. His disadvantage is going to be social issues but that is a different topic for a different day.

The people voting for Trump are the same who will rally around a guy that targets illegal immigration, the threat of terrorist attacks and wants to get government out of the way. The key point, if Cruz wins the nomination, will be Trump urging his supporters to get behind Ted. Right now that is a hard concept to wrap your head around but Trump has proven to be smart in how he "buys" his politicians. I can see him cutting a deal with Ted...which is pretty much what Trump has done his whole career for economic benefit.

The big question now is will the establishment try to force John Kasich, Paul Ryan or someone we don't suspect on to the ticket?


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Jammer I don't agree. You have millions that have came outv to support Trump. If there is evidence that the GOP has fixed this race, it will be ugly. Super Pacs, and game rule changes or worse yet....a contested convention with a Bush or Kasich nomination will finish the party. Hillary will rule for Obamas 3rd term. The people are being shunned for what's good for a handful of career politicians.


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MiamiMenace wrote:
Jammer I don't agree. You have millions that have came outv to support Trump. If there is evidence that the GOP has fixed this race, it will be ugly. Super Pacs, and game rule changes or worse yet....a contested convention with a Bush or Kasich nomination will finish the party. Hillary will rule for Obamas 3rd term. The people are being shunned for what's good for a handful of career politicians.


My only point was that Cruz could still get the Trump vote. If the GOP thinks marching out Paul Ryan or Jeb Bush is the answer then forget it.

Kasich's only shot is that he might convince enough independents and Hillary haters on the left to give him a chance. I don't see him getting the nod anyway.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:19 pm 
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I don't dislike Cruz. I just think he's a career politician and will answer to someone eventually The GOP doesn't even like him. They just HATE Trump. If He continues to win, and even scores delegates by making Kasich VP , We have a shot ill vote for him. But if Trump gets the majority and they still dismiss him....it will get ugly quick. People will just tune it all out.

They have to be fair or else. Not sure they can be anymore.


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