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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:28 am 
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What do you all have to say about the Activists shutting down Trump rallies?

I had a buddy who made comments about Obama way back in 2009 when he first insulted the cambridge police dept calling them "stupid". Hes a cop so I took his comments with a grain of salt when he said Obama will cause race riots before he leaves office. I laughed at that. I really felt at that time that while Obama wasn't my first choice as a President, the pendulum swings and its the left's time for now after 8 yrs of Bush and war. Even after I groaned again after he won again in 2012 , I figured oh well hes still the President of the United States and has to represent ALL Americans.

In this last two yrs I have seen Obama divide this country , take sides on things that were not yet placed in front of a jury, and basically rail road all the police in this country. Make them ALL out to be criminals and criminals as victims. He lets terrorists out of Cuba to come back and kill more Americans. He does nothing after people are killed in the our streets by crazed islamic terrorists.

Now I'm really not liking what I'm seeing. These protestors are inciting thousands of people at these Trump rallies. And even though I believe its 100% Obama's fault for creating the atmosphere , I have a bad feeling about it all and the GOP will take the fall.

They need to organize Police at these rallies, recognize Freedom of speech on the GOP's side before something bad happens. Can you imagine if Protesters shut down a Bernie Sanders rally? The Liberals would cry victim in a heartbeat.

But not taking sides, I hope they let police do their jobs before all hell and my buddies prediction from 7 yrs ago comes true.


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My thoughts on this are simple.

It is ironic to see liberals infringing upon the freedom of speech of someone else. The liberal ideology is morphing into one that seeks to shut down dissenting voices at all costs. Even within their own party. Liberalism seems to be becoming more and more militant.

Donald Trump is helping incite this environment. You are correct, Obama helped. Obama is a more articulate, refined Trump. He had been using incendiary language from the beginning (cling to guns and religion, white folks afraid of a black man) that turned people off. Trump is doing the same in a much more bombastic way.

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I have still yet to see how Obama has inflamed racial tensions. You know what inflames racial tensions? All the videos of black people being shot or chocked out when (here's the key word) seemingly nothing provoked it. The candidates can't cite real examples of Obama doing this. It's just been brought to the forefront. Donald Trump rallies seem to be places of very bigoted (or at least ignorant) people. When a minority can't even go to one of his rallies without being assaulted, and the KKK essentially endorsing him, and him not disavowing him for however long it took after he said he didn't know who David Duke was, it's pretty obvious who is the one causing racial tension. Hint, it isn't Obama.


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I have still yet to see how Obama has inflamed racial tensions. You know what inflames racial tensions? All the videos of black people being shot or chocked out when (here's the key word) seemingly nothing provoked it. The candidates can't cite real examples of Obama doing this. It's just been brought to the forefront. Donald Trump rallies seem to be places of very bigoted (or at least ignorant) people. When a minority can't even go to one of his rallies without being assaulted, and the KKK essentially endorsing him, and him not disavowing him for however long it took after he said he didn't know who David Duke was, it's pretty obvious who is the one causing racial tension. Hint, it isn't Obama.


Obama said words matter. Here are the quotes that immediately sent up red flags amongst many whites during the 2008 election.

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person..." --

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Not to mention the number of times he injected himself into cases that had racial connotations swirling all around them.

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When a minority can't even go to one of his rallies without being assaulted


This is beyond laughable. A protester tries to shut down his event, gets a forearm shimmy from someone in the crowd and suddenly Trump rallies are white only? Is there a consistent track record of minority assaults at his events?

And you guys wonder why he is gaining steam every day while reasonable candidates can't even discuss policy.

I cannot believe my choices in November are going to be Trump, Hillary, a protest vote or sitting it out altogether.


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When a minority can't even go to one of his rallies without being assaulted


So minorities who are entering Trump rallies are immediately being assaulted? If a Hispanic or Black person goes to their rally with a Trump for President shirt, are all the white folks beating that person's a$$?

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I'm Hispanic. And when you look at me, it is obvious. So here's what I am going to do. I am going to buy a Trump for President shirt and go to one of his Florida rallies and let you know what happens.

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Cathal wrote:
I have still yet to see how Obama has inflamed racial tensions. You know what inflames racial tensions? All the videos of black people being shot or chocked out when (here's the key word) seemingly nothing provoked it. The candidates can't cite real examples of Obama doing this. It's just been brought to the forefront. Donald Trump rallies seem to be places of very bigoted (or at least ignorant) people. When a minority can't even go to one of his rallies without being assaulted, and the KKK essentially endorsing him, and him not disavowing him for however long it took after he said he didn't know who David Duke was, it's pretty obvious who is the one causing racial tension. Hint, it isn't Obama.
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I have still yet to see how Obama has inflamed racial tensions. You know what inflames racial tensions? All the videos of black people being shot or chocked out when (here's the key word) seemingly nothing provoked it. The candidates can't cite real examples of Obama doing this. It's just been brought to the forefront. Donald Trump rallies seem to be places of very bigoted (or at least ignorant) people. When a minority can't even go to one of his rallies without being assaulted, and the KKK essentially endorsing him, and him not disavowing him for however long it took after he said he didn't know who David Duke was, it's pretty obvious who is the one causing racial tension. Hint, it isn't Obama.



Here's the deal as I see it. As Rich said , Obama has been sticking his nose into state level high profile cases with racial tensions repeatedly this second term. He made statements about "if I had a son it would look just like Treyvon". He made sure they took Zimmermen to trial even after the police found no fault with the killing and then took it a step further by appointing a federal inquiry into it. But what took the cake was , he help convict a police officer in FERGUSON, Mo by not waiting for any facts and IMO his lack of any support helped fuel the riot last summer in ferguson and Baltimore. On Top of that he sent aides to the funeral of Michael Brown , a thug who robbed a store , assulted a store owner and tried to kill a police officer.

He has also had Al Sharpton at the White house for dinner over 80 times legitimizing that POS. I could go on , but lets just say Obama lack of action contributed to many events. Hes an activist not a president.

Back to Trump......I'm no fan of the man. But the things being done to silence him are making me cringe. People should be campaigning to beat him , not having super Pacs get together to organize BLM to silence his rallies. Good god.........Thousands upon thousands of Americans are showing up to hear that man and they are trying to shut it down. Thats crushing the second amendment rights of millions of Americans that have attended his functions. Thats just wrong.

let me ask you a question Cathal, if Trump supporters protested one of Hillary's rallies and violence broke out do you think they would blame Hillary? Not for a second. The Hypocrisy on the left is off the charts.

One point you make is valid though.......Trump should have disavowed David Duke immediately. I dont believe hes a racist , but he tried to be too cute and it backfired big time. He gave them that ammunition. Dr Carson's endorsement helped him big time on that front , but it was a dumb thing to say.

Tomorrow is Florida's primary. I was going to vote for Rubio , but he turned me off in the last two weeks. Like Trump or not , hes been a consistent Ahat. Hes not fake. Rubio would have gotten my vote had he not said it was Trumps fault for the Rally protesters. he should have backed the 2nd amendment. I'm disappointed in them all. Its a sad time. Cruz might be the best shot at beating Hillary. Kasich is being linked to Soros who is a big part of the Anti trump Pac and behind the BLM protesters at Trumps rallies. Not cool. I might be forced to go Trump.

I'm seriously going to read up on Ted Cruz .com this evening. I did read elsewhere he changed his name from Raphael Cruz to Ted because he didn't want to sound to "hispanic". The more I read the more I'm feeling like he is just another establishment puppet.

Jammer said it best......It just might be Trump or Hillary. :hithead:


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Thats crushing the second amendment rights of millions of Americans that have attended his functions. Thats just wrong.


I'm thinking you meant 1st amendment.

Honestly, all this stuff is actually going to wind up helping Trump. All it does is solidify his base and people are sick and tired of protests.

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I'm seriously going to read up on Ted Cruz .com this evening. I did read elsewhere he changed his name from Raphael Cruz to Ted because he didn't want to sound to "hispanic". The more I read the more I'm feeling like he is just another establishment puppet.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... CUTED.html

Ted Cruz did not disavow this guy. Not a peep from the media.

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Rich wrote:
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I'm seriously going to read up on Ted Cruz .com this evening. I did read elsewhere he changed his name from Raphael Cruz to Ted because he didn't want to sound to "hispanic". The more I read the more I'm feeling like he is just another establishment puppet.


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Ted Cruz spoke at Christian conference where pastor introduced him just after calling for gays to be EXECUTED


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... CUTED.html

Ted Cruz did not disavow this guy. Not a peep from the media.


Great point. I'm not a Trump fan , but it Seems as if there is so much as a chirp of anything they can spin badly on Trump they will. But Cruz or Kapisch ? Nothing. I dont like to see anyone unfairly bullied and its getting me to want to pull for Trump as an underdog.

If Trump was the easiest for Hillary to clobber why wouldn't the left media be nicer to him to help him get the nomination? Why are they so easy on Ted ? I'm starting to think they realize Trump doesnt play by the rules , have any sense of Political Correctness , and lets face it , Hillary has 20 yrs of Ammunition. Trump has never been a politician so he may be a nightmare for them and they are trying at all co$ts to get him out. Yet it makes him stronger.

Far from my first choice , but My goal all along was to just put a GOP republican in the white house. To beat Hillary and Obama's third term. Thats the enemy . She said it herself. all republicans are her enemy. Democrats are jumping ship left and right. Whats amazing to me is a kook like Sanders is still getting votes. People actually support his left wing socialist crap. Sad.

But I did what I had to do........I voted for Trump because I just dont want another Obama term. I dont think our country could handle it. We would be seriously doomed as a people continuing down there dangerous path. I believe Trump is our best choice at this point. :hithead:


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The polls suggest that Hillary beats Trump in November but there are several things I believe will work against her:

1. She is nearly as disliked as Trump and has zero charisma to energize (anti-Obama candidate)

2. This is an economics election and her talking points lean toward social issues

3. There are far more people out there who will actually vote for Trump but be afraid to admit it

4. Trump has yet to tap into the African American and union pandering...its coming

5. Never ever discount America's obsession with celebrity

6. Hillary can't control the narrative nor the mudslinging. This should have been a wall to wall Clinton/media lovefest and so far Trump is dominating the headlines. It actually reminds of how her husband stole the spotlight from Bush in '92, except this time its the reverse.

7. This may be the most important point and Ben Carson said it the other day - Trump is a 4 year option who has to prove it. Hillary has her machine and will go scorched earth for two terms. When independent voters wrap their heads around this they could conclude Trump is the lesser of two evils.

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i agree jammer. I have been absolutely wrong about Trump from the on set. I think many were. Just when you think he's said something beyond all limits, it only helps his ratings. People are jumping ship from the democratic side to vote for him. When have you ever saw that? They have been wrong about him time and time again and he just comes back stronger. I think Hillary is worried. She likes to fight the politically correct fight. She likes to call Republicans racists and because shes a woman she will play the sexiest card. Who is best prepared to take the gloves off and go Toe to Toe in the mud with her? It's gonna be something. From what's left I think he's our best bet. And for those that think John Kasich is all that look at this from only 8 yrs ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTf_qyRXhxk

He will be no better to the police then Obama . We cant have this kind of attitude towards our Law Enforcement any longer. Kids today have no respect for them. Its disgraceful.


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Law enforcement need to stop acting like dirt bag as well. Maybe then more people would respect them...

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Rich wrote:
Law enforcement need to stop acting like dirt bag as well. Maybe then more people would respect them...



Over a Million Law Enforcement officers in this country. You maybe hear about a dozen of them because that's what the media wants you to hear.

Here is a local hero we buried yesterday: http://www.inquisitr.com/2889558/deputy ... mans-life/

I guarantee you there are alot more priests doing unspeakable things daily .........but we dont hear about that in the news do we? Just sayin.

Look at the Video I posted on Kasich. Look how he reported the incident to a crowd. Only 8 yrs ago. Look at the Video and see how he misrepresented the facts for personal gain. I wouldn't want him for my commander and chief.


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Law enforcement need to stop acting like dirt bag as well. Maybe then more people would respect them...



Over a Million Law Enforcement officers in this country. You maybe hear about a dozen of them because that's what the media wants you to hear.


I see them doing it almost everyday.

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Rich wrote:
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Law enforcement need to stop acting like dirt bag as well. Maybe then more people would respect them...



Over a Million Law Enforcement officers in this country. You maybe hear about a dozen of them because that's what the media wants you to hear.


I see them doing it almost everyday.



Well from what I read from you on here I like you. I dont know where you live , but trust me the majority are not like that. Most Police I see are Veterans, fathers and mothers. Yeah I've seen some of the young ones saying some dumb stuff now and again. Don't paint with a large brush Rich. And back on topic......they certainly do not deserve the treatment the Obama admin has given them. They dont deserve to be walking with targets on their backs. What went down in Baltimore is just revolting. Officer Wilson in Miss. was trying to apprehend a felon would robbed a store, got into a fight for his life trying to serve his community and the President sends aids to the thugs funeral and Ofc Wilson is still on the run today. :hithead: My god....... where are our Values? It needs to change Rich. If America continues down this path with Hillary and Obamsa third term.......to socialist values?? We are doomed.


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I didn't say all cops, but the fact is that at least 30% of cops will have some sort of review done over their career related to an abuse of their power. Not to mention the cops that never get reviewed because of the "protect each other" nature of the police.

And the overwhelming majority of cops I have dealt with have an air of "arsehole entitlement" to them. It doesn't mean they are abusing their power, but it means they aren't exactly making fans out of the people they "protect and serve".

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let me ask you a question Cathal, if Trump supporters protested one of Hillary's rallies and violence broke out do you think they would blame Hillary? Not for a second. The Hypocrisy on the left is off the charts.


Thank you for the very good response, pretty difficult to have in a political discussion online. To answer your question, no, they would not blame Hillary in this situation. Mainly because she isn't cultivating that sort of behavior. She isn't isn't "I could shoot someone and no one would turn me in", or "I would like to punch that protestor", or "My people are good, it's the Bernie supporters", or anything else where he is having absolutely no problem with his people causing violence.

Having said that, I hate Hillary and think she would be horrible for this country. I think everyone would be horrible for this country except Bernie Sanders. I am a registered independent. In my first election I could vote for, I voted for Dubya. When Obama was running for his first term, I voted for him. I have no ties to a political party, I try and vote for the person who would give people rights. In my opinion, Bernie isn't radical. Let me ask you a question, if I may.

Do you think people should have healthcare covered by the government? Do you think college should be free or at least extremely cheap? Do you think women should have paid maternal leave? Forget about Bernie in this situation. Just, do you think people should have these rights? Forget about how they are paid for, that's not important. What's important is just seeing if those are ideas worth fighting for. There are plenty of ways to pay for this stuff (such as reduce defense spending dramatically, pull out of bases all over the world, foreign aide, tax loop holes, etc.... The list goes on and on and on).


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I think everyone would be horrible for this country except Bernie Sanders.


So you support the bankrupting of America. Got it.

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No.

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No one is offering this across the board.

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They already do.

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Forget about Bernie in this situation. Just, do you think people should have these rights? Forget about how they are paid for, that's not important. What's important is just seeing if those are ideas worth fighting for. There are plenty of ways to pay for this stuff (such as reduce defense spending dramatically, pull out of bases all over the world, foreign aide, tax loop holes, etc.... The list goes on and on and on).


We can't forget Bernie in this situation because he is offering these things up in a way that:

1. Increases federal spending exponentially
2. Doesn't increase federal revenue in a way that offsets the additional spending
3. Is going to wind up increasing the average middle class person's taxes by $5000 a year

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Cathal wrote:
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let me ask you a question Cathal, if Trump supporters protested one of Hillary's rallies and violence broke out do you think they would blame Hillary? Not for a second. The Hypocrisy on the left is off the charts.

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Thank you for the very good response, pretty difficult to have in a political discussion online. To answer your question, no, they would not blame Hillary in this situation. Mainly because she isn't cultivating that sort of behavior.


Thank you as well. And this will only get worse before it gets better so I hope we all can continue a controlled discourse. After all......we are ALL Dolphins fans!! I do disagree with you that Hillary isnt cultivating this sort of behavior. Go back in time 7 yrs. Race relations were much better. Heck the majority of this country elected America's first President! He had a chance to do something very special, unfortunately he just used his position to further a socialist and activist agenda he did not show when running in 08' or 12'. He basically lied and told the American people what they wanted to hear.



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She isn't isn't "I could shoot someone and no one would turn me in", or "I would like to punch that protestor", or "My people are good, it's the Bernie supporters", or anything else where he is having absolutely no problem with his people causing violence.
Not the brightest things to say I agree. But its not cultivating anything. He has regular rallies with 15,20 thousand people. No problems. You have this BLM group and others that have been rioting in our streets now for over a year before Trump. Their goal is to create Koas . Interrupt anything and destroy whatever they dont believe. It's beyond reprehensible. Whats next? I can't have a public meeting , or anything that these people dont agree with? They march and get in police officers faces. Yell at them , and argue if they are touched its against their 1st amendment rights. Then they interrupt rallies they dont agree with and cry victim again? Really? Wake up Bro.

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Having said that, I hate Hillary and think she would be horrible for this country. I think everyone would be horrible for this country except Bernie Sanders. I am a registered independent. In my first election I could vote for, I voted for Dubya. When Obama was running for his first term, I voted for him. I have no ties to a political party, I try and vote for the person who would give people rights. In my opinion, Bernie isn't radical. Let me ask you a question, if I may.

Do you think people should have healthcare covered by the government? Do you think college should be free or at least extremely cheap? Do you think women should have paid maternal leave? Forget about Bernie in this situation. Just, do you think people should have these rights? Forget about how they are paid for, that's not important. What's important is just seeing if those are ideas worth fighting for. There are plenty of ways to pay for this stuff (such as reduce defense spending dramatically, pull out of bases all over the world, foreign aide, tax loop holes, etc.... The list goes on and on and on)
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I believe in it on a moral level,in a perfect world it would be great to give medical care to everyone who needs it. This isn't a perfect world. Sorry but we live in a society were people dont work for anything and expect the same as those that do. Hillary just said the other day , she wants to give illegal immigrants the same health care and privileges as any American. :hithead:

Since Obama care went into effect my medical payments have quadrupled. To keep business in this country, factories, places that provide jobs, the Government could help defray the cost of medical to keep them here in the united states. But if your on welfare or disability and have not contributed to the system in anyway , NO. Absolutely not. Obviously if your a special needs person from birth , their are exceptions , but too many people want everything NOW for free.



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I love this one. It already exists!!!!! I used it. Its called COMMUNITY college or night classes. I worked everyday , all day doing construction in NYC and took night school for 4 yrs. I didn't have any payments and I got a job ASAP. Not a great job. But a stepping stone. People want everything now. You want $15 an hour for Mickey D's? Really? That job is not intended for people to raise a family on.
Its to serve cheap crappy food. Not EXPENSIVE crappy food.

Liberals are so far out of touch with reality its beyond disturbing. BUT its their right. I wish they would respect ours.


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I went to both Miami Dade Community College and Florida International University for free. I graduated without taking out a single student loan.

I got a job to pay for my books and my tuition was paid completely and totally by the Federal government.

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Here is an interesting comparison of the 4 candidates and likely nominees Tax Plans:

http://www.youngcons.com/how-candidates ... e-elected/

Sanders is a kook. Hes just not all there. He lives in some hippy dippy dream world that doesnt exist. Sorry. I'm not working harder to pay for lazy millennials and those who want to suck off the system instead of working.

#1 priority of the Next President should not be a wall or a Supreme court Nominee. It should be JOBS. Focus on employment and just about everything else will take care of itself. Then build a wall of course! :yay:


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Bernie's plan will cost me between $200-$300 more a paycheck? F that guy...

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I think everyone would be horrible for this country except Bernie Sanders.

So you support the bankrupting of America. Got it.


I didn't know we were operating at a surplus for the past 20. In that case, we should keep doing what we're doing, right? Oh... wait...

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No.


Do you want people to go bankrupt because a 3 day stay in a hospital costs tens of thousands of dollars or more?
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No one is offering this across the board.


Maybe not free, but it's extremely cheap for students to get higher education. A better educated populace leads to a better country. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678

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They already do.


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I'm pretty sure that's a no. I'm in my early thirties, my FaceBook is blowing up with people getting pregnant. No one has paid maternity leave. Some companies may offer it but that is rare.

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Forget about Bernie in this situation. Just, do you think people should have these rights? Forget about how they are paid for, that's not important. What's important is just seeing if those are ideas worth fighting for. There are plenty of ways to pay for this stuff (such as reduce defense spending dramatically, pull out of bases all over the world, foreign aide, tax loop holes, etc.... The list goes on and on and on).


We can't forget Bernie in this situation because he is offering these things up in a way that:

1. Increases federal spending exponentially
2. Doesn't increase federal revenue in a way that offsets the additional spending
3. Is going to wind up increasing the average middle class person's taxes by $5000 a year


Taxes will go up for people, but the savings, theoretically, will come in other ways. For instance, did you know it's actually cheaper to build housing for homeless people so they can focus on things like education and getting a job than it is to leave them on the streets? There are "radical" ideas out there that will help the country in the long-term. All of these policies are a cultural shift for this country and are long-term in vision. It's not going to happen overnight, but there are certainly sane things (and common sense things) Sanders says. I watch simple interviews between him and some rapper named Killer Mike (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJjQWaWIxCs) and I think to myself, how is this guy being viewed as radical when he's speaking nothing but common sense. It's not like I agree with everything he says. But his focus is on domestic affairs and not foreign (who really wants to invade another country for no reason?).


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I didn't know we were operating at a surplus for the past 20. In that case, we should keep doing what we're doing, right? Oh... wait...


Right, we are already at a deficit. We're $20 trillion in debt. So your solution is to elect the guy that will exacerbate that debt! Brilliant!

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Do you want people to go bankrupt because a 3 day stay in a hospital costs tens of thousands of dollars or more?


Government healthcare is not the solution to this. All that will do is either:

a) increase cumulative healthcare costs because the laws of supply and demand will require costs to increase based on utilization or

b) cause the government to ration healthcare in order to bring costs down

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Maybe not free, but it's extremely cheap for students to get higher education. A better educated populace leads to a better country. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678


I agree. The solution is not to throw more money into the university system and it isn't to create student loans with less than 1% interest rates. All that will do is increase costs of tuition. The solution is to attack the root cause. Cost of tuition.

Prices at public universities should be better controlled. For example, if you are an online student, you should not be required to pay for on-site facilities like FIU requires. You shouldn't be required to pay for parking, you don't use the parking lot.

But as I stated before, I got my entire college education for free while working.

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I'm pretty sure that's a no. I'm in my early thirties, my FaceBook is blowing up with people getting pregnant. No one has paid maternity leave. Some companies may offer it but that is rare.


It's not rare. Over 60% of employers in the U.S. offer paid maternity leave. The company I work for has paid maternal and paternal leave. But, I am fine with it becoming a requirement in this country from a FMLA standpoint as long as it can be done in a revenue neutral way.

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Taxes will go up for people, but the savings, theoretically, will come in other ways.


This never works out. When the government is the one controlling the purse strings, these programs always wind up costing more than projected and being less efficient than projected.

And then when you have a recession your economy goes all Greece and no one gets any benefits anymore.

I'd rather use the Bill Clinton approach of paying for the re-education of the work force to get them off government benefits instead of giving people a bunch of "free" stuff.

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Instead of immediately passing on costs to taxpayers why don't state universities do the following:

Not pay university presidents and top admin people insane six figure salaries

Not give tenured professors lifetime pensions on top of defined contribution plans

Not throw money at state of the art cafeterias and student entertainment venues

I could keep going. Why not start reducing the costs first.

While we're at it, why not cut salaries, pensions and benefits for elected officials? And all of their hirings...why not make those merit based as opposed to nepotism since we have no choice in those costs? Its not like a private company where you can choose to buy their product or hire their services.

Anyone who sits there with a straight face and tells me people in government are there for the common good and not to better their own power needs to do a much closer examination of their beloved politicians' lifestyles, personal spending and donor connections.


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Instead of immediately passing on costs to taxpayers why don't state universities do the following:

Not pay university presidents and top admin people insane six figure salaries

Not give tenured professors lifetime pensions on top of defined contribution plans

Not throw money at state of the art cafeterias and student entertainment venues

I could keep going. Why not start reducing the costs first.

While we're at it, why not cut salaries, pensions and benefits for elected officials? And all of their hirings...why not make those merit based as opposed to nepotism since we have no choice in those costs? Its not like a private company where you can choose to buy their product or hire their services.

Anyone who sits there with a straight face and tells me people in government are there for the common good and not to better their own power needs to do a much closer examination of their beloved politicians' lifestyles, personal spending and donor connections.


BINGO. Nail Head for this post. Most of the biggest liberals around crying foul are 6 figure college heads And people Like Hillary Clinton who pays $6-700 for a haircut and likes to Jet set even though she doesnt own a plane.

On the other side you have senators like Lindsey Graham who has made statements like.." I would rather lose to Hillary then vote for Trump" because with Hillary his status Quo stays , the lobbyists still get paid, the Pharmaceutical companies still make their payouts , and he can continue to live like a FAT King on our Dime.

No Bernies plan wont work. I'm tired of paying for others. By others I dont just mean the lazy takers with their hands out our Spoiled millennial children who dont want to work for anything, I mean HUGE Government. Republican and Democratic.

I liked Rubio this whole time until I realized he is just a part of the broken system as well. Just another Cog in the wheel with a different agenda. Same with Cruz (I just dont trust the guy). Kasich I thought was the most presidential during the debates. But what does that mean? He knows how to tell you what you want to hear? The Guy is taking contributions from Soros! Thats the very top of the POS Liberal SuperPac heap. He's only staying the race to try to keep Trump from 1237 so he can slip in , in a contested convention.


Then you have Donald Trump. I thought it was a joke when he ran last june. People (including me)had him out and imploding by Sept. 15'. Then by dec. 15'. Here we are its almost April 16', and he's stronger then ever. The Politicians on both sides are running around like their heads are on fire. He asks for nothing, self funds his own campaign.......said he wont even take a paycheck in the White House, he will donate to the Vets all the while President Obama is currently asking for a 17% increase in all last Presidents budgets.

Is he too good to be true? Whats his angle? Can he truly just want to make America great again?
I dont know......but I'll tell you what , have you ever seen the GOP this scared?They are talking 3rd party! Hillary has President Obama on the campaign trail again for her with Joe Biden. They said they welcome him because they can beat him so easily.......yet they are pulling out all the stops because they look so scared.

Guys like Bernie in the end Piss me off. Instead of looking for answers they just want us to pay for it all. Guy lived with his mother until he was 40. never worked hard a day in his life. Doesn't surprise me.

Hillary is as dishonest as the day is long. But people seem to accept it as a personality flaw. I just dont get it.

The GOP establishment is no better. If anything , Trump has identified publicly a bunch of flaws in the system. I think we all win if Term limits are set in the Senate. That would be a huge step to get rid of these 30-40 yr old blowhards that refuse to do the right thing for the American people if it means they can't profit from it.

Do I sound like a Trump fan? I won't admit it. Whether you like him or not , hes the only one in my 50 yrs that has made such a difference already and hes not even close to being in office.


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Elizabeth Warren coming out on the war path - pun totally intended for the fake Indian - tells me all I need to know about internal polling and fear within the Democrat Party about Trump. He has used their playbook against them and understands the weakness of Hillary. I'm not completely convinced he'll win but I know he is the one they don't want to face. Like Hillary or Obama, Trump isn't afraid to fight dirty and has an army of tunnel vision supporters who's opinions cannot be changed.

Again, I cannot believe Donald Trump is the Republican favorite but if you look over the last 16 years it is not surprising given the behavior of Republican politicians. People were waiting for a loud voice to catch their attention. It could have been Ted Cruz if he wasn't so tied to the religious right.


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Elizabeth Warren coming out on the war path - pun totally intended for the fake Indian - tells me all I need to know about internal polling and fear within the Democrat Party about Trump. He has used their playbook against them and understands the weakness of Hillary. I'm not completely convinced he'll win but I know he is the one they don't want to face. Like Hillary or Obama, Trump isn't afraid to fight dirty and has an army of tunnel vision supporters who's opinions cannot be changed.

Again, I cannot believe Donald Trump is the Republican favorite but if you look over the last 16 years it is not surprising given the behavior of Republican politicians. People were waiting for a loud voice to catch their attention. It could have been Ted Cruz if he wasn't so tied to the religious right.



The Religious right. I did a posting here a while back but cant find it on the GOP Right. Its the one thing that bothered me most about Cruz. All of the God talk. I just think it should be left as a personal decision. Being spiritual is a great thing, but so many people choose to be spiritual in so many ways, I just think its a horrible foundation for a political campaign. I think it turns people off when they here Cruz speaking to them as if hes a Sunday morning preacher.

I think that Relgoius right that's talking 3rd party is as evil as Hillary .


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