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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:43 pm 
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I'm also amazed that you don't see what is painfully obvious. Or does Trump's red hat need to read, "I am a mysoginist" before you do?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ogyny.html

And here is one from five years ago:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... story.html

And Trump has reached 75% unfavorable rating among women. I wonder why.

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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
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I've never seen the Dems so scared. OBAMA will be the most active president in history thus summer. Biden will be out, they know this will be a FIGHT like never before. And that's if Clinton doesn't get indicted.

I'm not a Trump fan boy, but they laughed at him 8 months ago as you are laughing. I'd be concerned at the very least if I was a liberal .just saying. If your not , your either lying or your stupid.



You voted for him, so that qualifies enough as a fan boy.

I am scared of him being President, but not scared of him winning, if you get my meaning.

Unless the actual parameters of the election change, he doesn't stand a chance. Maybe it will. Until then, it is what it is.

And it's "you're."

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1984phins wrote:
I'm also amazed that you don't see what is painfully obvious. Or does Trump's red hat need to read, "I am a mysoginist" before you do?


Men who make women wear certain outfits, walk 10 feet behind them, don't allow them to hold certain jobs, etc. are misogynists.

I find Trump to be an unpolished blowhard who doesn't choose his words wisely. But considering that he has women in his life both professionally and personally who he obviously respects I think its hard to simply apply some label so that you can shine your political ego in this thread. He's an equal opportunity d-bag to men and women, white and black, legal and illegal, etc. I don't see you whining every time he blasts a white, male Democrat.

You keep up with those kind remarks to those who think differently than you.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:51 pm 
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Misogyny is more than what you describe.

"Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, hostility, male supremacist ideas, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women."

If you read the articles I already posted, Trump meets requirements on hostility, male supremacist ideas, belittling of women, and sexual objectification of women. Also, if the disputed story about his attack on his first wife is true, then he meets the violence against women part as well. That is more than enough to establish a body of work on him over years that allow him to meet the definition of a misogynist.

And you should be far more upset and angry at Trump for these things than myself for pointing them out to you.

And this criticism of Trump isn't just coming from us terrible lefties, but the right as well.

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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
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I read your opinion pieces. Thanks. There was nothing in there I haven't come across before. I'm also capable of opening up a dictionary.

I don't need to categorize and label everyone in a black and white manner to justify my opinions and interpretations. Enough with the lectures please.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:13 pm 
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Will Trump get the number of delegates?

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As for the election, does the GOP deny Trump if he doesn't get the required number of delegates?

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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
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I'm no fan boy of Trump. I laughed when he entered the race. His comments during the debates are so unorthodox and scream I've never done this before. But One thing about Donald is he has been consistent. Leads me to believe what you see is what you get. He believes what he says. You say he doesn't choose his words wisely...I agree. But that's because he doesn't give crap.

Rubio really turned me off when he started doing a stand up routine because that's not the way he's ever been. It was so contrived. Hillary is the queen of telling you what you want to hear.

But..........I didnt vote for Trump. I voted against the GOP establishment and the super pacs trying so hard to take him down. I've never seen such a orchestrated movement to not elect an individual . You can't even go listen to him without getting harrassed. Then you have to think why?

Really think about it. What's the worst that could happen if Trump was elected? But just think about the upside!! My god. I really think if he gets past the nomination more and more independents and Dems will see Hillary for what she is.

It's not Trump you will be voting for, it's exactly what the establishment who has acomplished nothing for decades, it's voting against them. They are horiffied for a reason. On both sides. And the liberal media as well.

And the view!! Let's make them move to Canada! ! :yay:


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:00 pm 
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But One thing about Donald is he has been consistent. Leads me to believe what you see is what you get. He believes what he says.


The only thing consistent about Trump is his temperament. His positions have changed on many issues; arguably more than anyone still in the race. When you consider that Cruz, Clinton, and Sanders have more records to be judged on, hence more opportunity to have inconsistencies, that isn't a good sign for Trump.


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You say he doesn't choose his words wisely...I agree. But that's because he doesn't give crap.


That's hardly a quality I want in a President, not matter what party he or she belongs. It is frankly dangerous to have someone with such a short fuse. His twitter account should disqualify him alone.

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But..........I didnt vote for Trump. I voted against the GOP establishment and the super pacs trying so hard to take him down. I've never seen such a orchestrated movement to not elect an individual . You can't even go listen to him without getting harrassed. Then you have to think why?


You bubbled in "Trump" though. So you are really splitting hairs here. As for the movement to stop him, it really isn't a stretch to imagine he will get wiped out in the electoral college in November. It doesn't mean he will. But, like I have said before, the data right now points to that outcome, and I don't fault any conservative from freaking out about that possibility.

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Really think about it. What's the worst that could happen if Trump was elected? But just think about the upside!! My god.


Um... Let me just say I disagree.

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I really think if he gets past the nomination more and more independents and Dems will see Hillary for what she is.


The problem with this thinking is that Trump has gotten so much air time and free press that he is well known at this point. He is everywhere and has been everywhere since he entered the race. That makes it much harder for him to reinvent himself or make a play for the middle. Also, polls have shown he has gotten less popular (in terms of favorable/unfavorable ratings) the longer he has been in the race, not more.

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It's not Trump you will be voting for, it's exactly what the establishment who has acomplished nothing for decades, it's voting against them. They are horiffied for a reason. On both sides. And the liberal media as well. And the view!! Let's make them move to Canada! ! :yay:


But it is President Trump that gets sworn in, not some nameless, faceless President "Anti-establishment."

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The only thing consistent about Trump is his temperament. His positions have changed on many issues; arguably more than anyone still in the race. When you consider that Cruz, Clinton, and Sanders have more records to be judged on, hence more opportunity to have inconsistencies, that isn't a good sign for Trump.


I think it may be just the opposite. (cant believe i'm here defending him, but here goes) Yes Clinton and Sanders have records. Cruz has a long record of not getting along with ANYONE.
Trumps record in his chosen field is stellar. Hes more then proved if you give him a job, he will hire the right people, he will roll up his sleeves, and it will get done. Not out playing golf, or dancing . Clinton's record is horrendous. She is a Proven liar and will tell you the sky is green if she can get a vote. Shes up to her pants suits in controversy, investigations, and lies. Bernie is a communist and a socialist. Nuff said. Again I'm no fan of Trumps personality but I think he is a proven character and he will Piss Obama ,Graham, Romney . Megyn Kelly and the entire establishment OFF like hell. Hell yeah. Time to shake this place up some. :haha





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That's hardly a quality I want in a President, not matter what party he or she belongs. It is frankly dangerous to have someone with such a short fuse. His twitter account should disqualify him alone.
Why? Obama is a great speaker. The man can almost write poetry when he speaks. Where has that gotten us? Look around you. People are fighting in the streets. Cops are criminals and criminals are victims. We are about to liberate a communist dictatorship located 90 miles from Miami. No thanks........I'll take a bad word now and again.



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You bubbled in "Trump" though. So you are really splitting hairs here. As for the movement to stop him, it really isn't a stretch to imagine he will get wiped out in the electoral college in November. It doesn't mean he will. But, like I have said before, the data right now points to that outcome, and I don't fault any conservative from freaking out about that possibility.
Thats not why conservatives dont want him. They dont want the party to end. Trump wins its over Rover. They DON'T control him. If Hillary gets in they are status Quo. The Lobbyists get paid, the pharmaceutical companies still pay them and give them dirty little weekends in Vegas. The "life" lives on.


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Um... Let me just say I disagree.
Please explain. Tell me please what's the Top 3 things that would happen if Donald Trump becomes POTUS? I'll give you the upside. Finally a plan to stop illegal immigration. Our borders becomes safer. The flow of drugs takes a hit. repeal Obama care and get a system that works. Bring respect back to Veterans, Police and teachers. DESTROY ISIS. Actually get on speaking terms with Russia, China. get Trade more in our favor, create Jobs........I could go on and on.




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The problem with this thinking is that Trump has gotten so much air time and free press that he is well known at this point. He is everywhere and has been everywhere since he entered the race. That makes it much harder for him to reinvent himself or make a play for the middle. Also, polls have shown he has gotten less popular (in terms of favorable/unfavorable ratings) the longer he has been in the race, not more.


Look at all the desperate people actually voting for a communist socialist OVER Clinton. I think a lot of those people can be swayed to Trump. Many already have. You dont see Hillary getting any republican votes.




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But it is President Trump that gets sworn in, not some nameless, faceless President "Anti-establishment.
Honestly look at the last 7 yrs. Try to distance yourself from the Team mentality. Do you really think Trump would do any worse then Barack Obama? I guarantee Trump dives in Day 1 . A Lot of respected Republicans will be there to guide him as he uses his BEST quality. MAKING SURE THE WORK GETS DONE. Hes a great leader . Its worth the risk. Hillary would be essentially Obama's third term.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
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The only thing consistent about Trump is his temperament. His positions have changed on many issues; arguably more than anyone still in the race. When you consider that Cruz, Clinton, and Sanders have more records to be judged on, hence more opportunity to have inconsistencies, that isn't a good sign for Trump.


I think it may be just the opposite. (cant believe i'm here defending him, but here goes) Yes Clinton and Sanders have records. Cruz has a long record of not getting along with ANYONE.
Trumps record in his chosen field is stellar. Hes more then proved if you give him a job, he will hire the right people, he will roll up his sleeves, and it will get done. Not out playing golf, or dancing . Clinton's record is horrendous. She is a Proven liar and will tell you the sky is green if she can get a vote. Shes up to her pants suits in controversy, investigations, and lies. Bernie is a communist and a socialist. Nuff said. Again I'm no fan of Trumps personality but I think he is a proven character and he will Piss Obama ,Graham, Romney . Megyn Kelly and the entire establishment OFF like hell. Hell yeah. Time to shake this place up some. :haha





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That's hardly a quality I want in a President, not matter what party he or she belongs. It is frankly dangerous to have someone with such a short fuse. His twitter account should disqualify him alone.
Why? Obama is a great speaker. The man can almost write poetry when he speaks. Where has that gotten us? Look around you. People are fighting in the streets. Cops are criminals and criminals are victims. We are about to liberate a communist dictatorship located 90 miles from Miami. No thanks........I'll take a bad word now and again.



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You bubbled in "Trump" though. So you are really splitting hairs here. As for the movement to stop him, it really isn't a stretch to imagine he will get wiped out in the electoral college in November. It doesn't mean he will. But, like I have said before, the data right now points to that outcome, and I don't fault any conservative from freaking out about that possibility.
Thats not why conservatives dont want him. They dont want the party to end. Trump wins its over Rover. They DON'T control him. If Hillary gets in they are status Quo. The Lobbyists get paid, the pharmaceutical companies still pay them and give them dirty little weekends in Vegas. The "life" lives on.


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Um... Let me just say I disagree.
Please explain. Tell me please what's the Top 3 things that would happen if Donald Trump becomes POTUS? I'll give you the upside. Finally a plan to stop illegal immigration. Our borders becomes safer. The flow of drugs takes a hit. repeal Obama care and get a system that works. Bring respect back to Veterans, Police and teachers. DESTROY ISIS. Actually get on speaking terms with Russia, China. get Trade more in our favor, create Jobs........I could go on and on.




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The problem with this thinking is that Trump has gotten so much air time and free press that he is well known at this point. He is everywhere and has been everywhere since he entered the race. That makes it much harder for him to reinvent himself or make a play for the middle. Also, polls have shown he has gotten less popular (in terms of favorable/unfavorable ratings) the longer he has been in the race, not more.


Look at all the desperate people actually voting for a communist socialist OVER Clinton. I think a lot of those people can be swayed to Trump. Many already have. You dont see Hillary getting any republican votes.




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But it is President Trump that gets sworn in, not some nameless, faceless President "Anti-establishment.
Honestly look at the last 7 yrs. Try to distance yourself from the Team mentality. Do you really think Trump would do any worse then Barack Obama? I guarantee Trump dives in Day 1 . A Lot of respected Republicans will be there to guide him as he uses his BEST quality. MAKING SURE THE WORK GETS DONE. Hes a great leader . Its worth the risk. Hillary would be essentially Obama's third term.


I know it probably won't matter, but have you seen the 20 minute segment or so on John Oliver's show about Trump? If you have, what do you think about it? If not, no worries.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016 Election
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You voted for him, so that qualifies enough as a fan boy.


So you intend to be the fan boy of a criminal or a candidate whose ideas will bankrupt this country while taking thousands of dollars more from your annual salary?

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Misogyny is more than what you describe.

"Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, hostility, male supremacist ideas, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women."


Based on this definition, every heterosexual male with a functioning penis and minimal levels of testosterone is a misogynist. And that will never change.

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Trumps record in his chosen field is stellar. Hes more then proved if you give him a job, he will hire the right people, he will roll up his sleeves, and it will get done.


He has also hired illegal aliens, hasn't he? Trump University? His companies have declared bankruptcy before, too. (4 times, I think). Besides, businessman is not the same as being an elected official.

Your response, though, is a deflection on his position on issues. He has changed his mind and flip flopped plenty of times.

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Bernie is a communist and a socialist.


Are you just being flippant or do you really think he is both?

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Look around you. People are fighting in the streets. Cops are criminals and criminals are victims.


You are right: no cop has ever been convicted of a crime. No alleged criminal has ever been proved innocent. People are fighting in the streets b/c of Obama? :)

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Thats not why conservatives dont want him. They dont want the party to end. Trump wins its over Rover. They DON'T control him. If Hillary gets in they are status Quo. The Lobbyists get paid, the pharmaceutical companies still pay them and give them dirty little weekends in Vegas. The "life" lives on.


Or b/c they fear he will get clobbered. There is already evidence of this.

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I'll give you the upside. Finally a plan to stop illegal immigration. Our borders becomes safer. The flow of drugs takes a hit. repeal Obama care and get a system that works. Bring respect back to Veterans, Police and teachers. DESTROY ISIS. Actually get on speaking terms with Russia, China. get Trade more in our favor, create Jobs........I could go on and on.


Illegal immigration will never be stopped. That's a fairy tale.

Our borders are so unsafe that we have been subjected to multiple 9/11 attacks... oh wait, we haven't.

Get a system that works.. is what? And the repeal immediately knocks out 20 million people.

ISIS cannot be destroyed by the USA alone.

Create jobs? Good idea. I can't believe Obama hasn't tried that.

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Look at all the desperate people actually voting for a communist socialist OVER Clinton. I think a lot of those people can be swayed to Trump. Many already have. You dont see Hillary getting any republican votes.


We will see. Come back in Nov.

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Honestly look at the last 7 yrs. Try to distance yourself from the Team mentality. Do you really think Trump would do any worse then Barack Obama...Hillary would be essentially Obama's third term.


The US economy has added jobs for 72 straight months. During this span, 14.3 million jobs have been created. Unemployment has gone down from 10% (the highest it was during the latest recession) to 4.9%. 20 million Americans have gotten insurance that didn't have it before. Social progress has been made in terms of gay/lesbian rights, despite the GOP righting it every step of the way. We haven't had another 9/11. Bin Laden dead.

Only a hyper-partisan would takes those facts that spin them as "flushing us down the toilet." In fact, Romney in 2012 promised, "I can tell you that over a period of four years, by virtue of the policies that we'd put in place, we'd get the unemployment rate down to 6%, and perhaps a little lower."

If he had won in 2012 and the unemployment was the same as it was right now, he would be doing backflips in the White House and not a single conservative would say the economy is crap or that Romney hadn't created jobs.

So who is the one so blinded by partisanship they can't see straight?


PS: I'd give Obama a B for his 8 years. Room for improvement.

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You voted for him, so that qualifies enough as a fan boy.


So you intend to be the fan boy of a criminal or a candidate whose ideas will bankrupt this country while taking thousands of dollars more from your annual salary?



I might have missed it. What crime has Clinton been convicted of?

As for Sanders, none of his ideas get through Congress anyway. So what's the point if discussing them?

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Misogyny is more than what you describe.

"Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, hostility, male supremacist ideas, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women."


Based on this definition, every heterosexual male with a functioning penis and minimal levels of testosterone is a misogynist. And that will never change.



Way to trivialize the issue. :yay:

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Oh, and speaking of lying:

Politifact Rankings of the Remaining 2016 Candidates:

Clinton: True/Mostly True: 51%. Half-True: 21%. Mostly False/False: 27% Pants on Fire: 1%

Trump: True/Mostly True: 9%. Half-True: 15%. Mostly False/False: 58% Pants on Fire: 19%

Cruz: True/Mostly True: 22%. Half-True: 13%. Mostly False/False: 59% Pants on Fire: 7%

Sanders: True/Mostly True: 51%. Half-True: 19%. Mostly False/False: 29% Pants on Fire: 0%

Kasich: True/Mostly True: 51%. Half-True: 16%. Mostly False/False: 28% Pants on Fire: 3%

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I might have missed it. What crime has Clinton been convicted of?


The FBI has given the guy that ran her server full immunity. Anyone with basic understanding of what that means knows what is coming next... unless DOJ shields her.

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So we should elect a president that will accomplish nothing.

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Politifact Rankings of the Remaining 2016 Candidates:


Politifact also presents a moving target when it comes to scrutinizing what is true and what isn't true.

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Way to trivialize the issue. :yay:


I'm just pointing out the silliness of your definition. Sorry that you did not do a better job of vetting before posting. You set that one up.

As for who is sexist and who is "feminist", what is Trump's track record as far as hiring women, promoting women, paying women etc?

That would say a lot more than the crude jokes he is known for.

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And on that note, I found this article in the WaPo.

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In the five months that the billionaire businessman has spent on the presidential campaign trail, his inflammatory missiles toward women have prompted charges of sexism, even misogyny. His obsession with physical appearance — such as speculating that Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton was wearing a wig — drew charges of bullying from the candidate vying to be the country’s first female president. Polls show Trump suffering from a wider gender gap among American voters overall than other Republican candidates.

But many women who have worked closely with Trump say he was a corporate executive ahead of his time in providing career advancement for women. While some say he could be boorish, his companies nurtured and pro­moted women in an otherwise male-dominated industry. Several women said they appreciated how Trump granted them entry to a new playing field.

“From the standpoint of being a woman, I just thought he was phenomenal,” said Sunshine, 74. “So supportive and encouraging. . . . He gave me the ropes, and I could either hang myself or prove myself.”




Jennifer Crisafulli-Oberting, 43, a contestant on the Trump reality TV show “The Apprentice” who went on to promote the show in media appearances with Trump, said she felt she was being welcomed into the “boys’ club” — but on her terms.

“You were like one of the guys right off the bat, but you didn’t have to act or dress like one of the guys,” she said.

Trump often told the women he employed and worked with that he valued those he believed would stand their ground on construction sites and in legal battles. He called Barbara Res, whom he put in charge of the construction of his now-iconic Trump Tower in 1980, “a killer,” she recalled. And he used to tell her and others that “men are better than women, but a good woman is better than 10 good men.”

“He wasn’t discriminatory against women that I saw,” said Res, now in her 60s and owner of a construction consultancy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

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I might have missed it. What crime has Clinton been convicted of?


The FBI has given the guy that ran her server full immunity. Anyone with basic understanding of what that means knows what is coming next... unless DOJ shields her.

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As for Sanders, none of his ideas get through Congress anyway. So what's the point if discussing them?


So we should elect a president that will accomplish nothing.


So, to recap: She hasn't been convicted of a crime. Thanks.

Sanders: What it most likely means is that his policies get watered down by Congress and becoming something more center left than socialist.

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Way to trivialize the issue. :yay:


I'm just pointing out the silliness of your definition. Sorry that you did not do a better job of vetting before posting. You set that one up.

As for who is sexist and who is "feminist", what is Trump's track record as far as hiring women, promoting women, paying women etc?

That would say a lot more than the crude jokes he is known for.


Yes, b/c I made up that definition all by myself.

What you are really saying is you want the definition to be on your own terms: in this case, a narrow one in which it only applies to businessmen, instead of a broader view of the term. You are also forgetting that someone could hire and promote women and still hold sexist views of women. Or does hiring anyone make you immune to any claims of sexism or even racism?

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And on that note, I found this article in the WaPo.

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In the five months that the billionaire businessman has spent on the presidential campaign trail, his inflammatory missiles toward women have prompted charges of sexism, even misogyny. His obsession with physical appearance — such as speculating that Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton was wearing a wig — drew charges of bullying from the candidate vying to be the country’s first female president. Polls show Trump suffering from a wider gender gap among American voters overall than other Republican candidates.

But many women who have worked closely with Trump say he was a corporate executive ahead of his time in providing career advancement for women. While some say he could be boorish, his companies nurtured and pro­moted women in an otherwise male-dominated industry. Several women said they appreciated how Trump granted them entry to a new playing field.

“From the standpoint of being a woman, I just thought he was phenomenal,” said Sunshine, 74. “So supportive and encouraging. . . . He gave me the ropes, and I could either hang myself or prove myself.”




Jennifer Crisafulli-Oberting, 43, a contestant on the Trump reality TV show “The Apprentice” who went on to promote the show in media appearances with Trump, said she felt she was being welcomed into the “boys’ club” — but on her terms.

“You were like one of the guys right off the bat, but you didn’t have to act or dress like one of the guys,” she said.

Trump often told the women he employed and worked with that he valued those he believed would stand their ground on construction sites and in legal battles. He called Barbara Res, whom he put in charge of the construction of his now-iconic Trump Tower in 1980, “a killer,” she recalled. And he used to tell her and others that “men are better than women, but a good woman is better than 10 good men.”

“He wasn’t discriminatory against women that I saw,” said Res, now in her 60s and owner of a construction consultancy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html


One of the women quoted in the text, Res, also said this about Trump in that same article:

"His policies, the things he says he believes in, are very anti-women... I’m voting for Hillary.”

And there is this gem from the text: "She recalled that he kept an unflattering photograph of her in a drawer — a “fat picture,” as she called it — that he would pull out when she did something he didn’t like."

Of course, the quote above just goes to a pattern he has of disparaging women based on their physical appearance, as if that is the only thing that matters in the long run. And that is misogynist behavior.

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Look, you are all going to post something in response to the affect of "You are wrong" and then I am going to post something meaning, "You are wrong."

So, how about we go beyond here? Will the GOP deny Trump the nomination if he falls short of delegates? Will Trump get there anyway, making that moot? OR, will GOP deny him anyway.... as evidenced by Cruz picking up more delegates than Trump in LA despite Trump winning the state???

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He has also hired illegal aliens, hasn't he? Trump University? His companies have declared bankruptcy before, too. (4 times, I think). Besides, businessman is not the same as being an elected official.
Please. You have 100,000 + employees , Your main hotels are in Big Urban areas......yeah you might hire an illegal or two. I belong to a home association that hires lawn care.....I can almost guarantee I have illegals working for me also. A Businessman is Donalds chosen field. He has made an empire from making wise profitable decisions. He wakes up early in the morning and goes to bed late at night. Something politicians know nothing about.

And the bankruptcies are the biggest point of political fodder. He has hundreds of companies. During black Friday I was out of work in NYC over a year. Everyone was affected. Making a corporation is a way of distancing yourself from personal monies. Its SMART. Business fails due to economic downturns you cut your losses. He did just that. It protected his personal fortune, and his other business and shareholders. Its business 101. Things went south and he had a plan. Again it shows he is smart and good at what he does. Giving 150 Billion to Iran is stupid. Its reckless. And Clinton will follow suit , especially if the Justice dept . protects her.







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Bernie is a communist and a socialist.


Are you just being flippant or do you really think he is both?
I dont know the man. I know his Ideas reflect that of communist countries. And he's pandering to those who are dumb, entitled and Lazy.





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You are right: no cop has ever been convicted of a crime. No alleged criminal has ever been proved innocent. People are fighting in the streets b/c of Obama? :)


Black on Black crimes are at over 80% in this country. Of course you have bad apples everywhere. But we have People actually making statements like Cops are killing unarmed people in the streets. Really? Obama is 100% responsible. No system is perfect , but the one person in charge is supposed to at least respect it. Obama was calling police stupid his first year in office. He publically takes sides of issues he has no business sticking his nose in. He legitimized Black lives matter by inviting them to the white house. These are people who have publically cried for the killing of police. We have hero veterans, police officers everyday. Never are they invited to the whitehouse or shown an ounce of respect. Your comments here reflect what you read in the left leaning liberal press much like stating Trump is a bad business person because he chose the bankruptcy option when the whole country was in a downturn on black friday in 1990. It was a smart business decision. And Cops and veterans deserve respect because the job they do is thankless and the 1 million of them do more then the right thing and live up to being held to a higher standard .






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Or b/c they fear he will get clobbered. There is already evidence of this.


Possibly. I cant say either way on this 100% and to be honest , I've been wrong about the guy at every turn. But look at the big picture. Look past your left leaning and see whats going on. Clues are everywhere.

Hillary and Joe Biden have said, They want Trump to win. They will clobber him. What are they supposed to say? But look at how they act. Trump is all they talk about. Why not stay silent and encourage his nomination if he's so easy? Why is Obama taking to the political trail , with Joe Biden in Tow. Pulling out the stops? Even talking about a possible Al Franken VP run who can easily come up with Trump Jokes . They are scared because he's never done this before and has nothing to lose.

The GOP ? They have already said, We were rather concede to Hillary then let Trump win the nomination. Why? Think about that statement for a second. Let it sink in. Its not about winning or losing with this evil Old school GOP establishment. Its not about the people. They want to continue funneling monies from Chinese companies, pharmaceutical corporations and a crap load of other things that will only help them, not the people. With Hillary business will remain basically the same.





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Illegal immigration will never be stopped. That's a fairy tale.

Our borders are so unsafe that we have been subjected to multiple 9/11 attacks... oh wait, we haven't.

Get a system that works.. is what? And the repeal immediately knocks out 20 million people.

ISIS cannot be destroyed by the USA alone.

Create jobs? Good idea. I can't believe Obama hasn't tried that.


You sound like Obama. Because he's done NOTHING. Absolutely nothing and continues too. Cant stop this, cant stop that so why even try? If the wall wont solve anything then why is it such an issue? Trump doesnt know the meaning of the word can't or stop. I've grown a certain amount of respect for the man who is taking on such a giant establishment , Left and Right and the Media , all by himself. Self funding it, and refuses to give an inch and keeps on winning. If anybody can fix it , political correctness be damned......it may be Donald Trump.


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Look at all the desperate people actually voting for a communist socialist OVER Clinton. I think a lot of those people can be swayed to Trump. Many already have. You dont see Hillary getting any republican votes.


We will see. Come back in Nov.
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The US economy has added jobs for 72 straight months. During this span, 14.3 million jobs have been created. Unemployment has gone down from 10% (the highest it was during the latest recession) to 4.9%. 20 million Americans have gotten insurance that didn't have it before. Social progress has been made in terms of gay/lesbian rights, despite the GOP righting it every step of the way. We haven't had another 9/11. Bin Laden dead.

Well you have a left leaning press who won't hurt Obama , the first african American President , for anything. I can show you other statistics showing unemployment is Much higher. Hes done nothing to bring new Jobs to the country. Cities like Detroit and Chicago are spewing with crime and all he can do is point the fingers at the PO PO. What has he done to educate lower income families? Rounds of golf and dancing isn't going to do it. 20 Million got medical insurance? Great. WHO PAID FOR IT? Hillary has said she will insure illegal aliens. My insurance has quadrupled. The socialist is in CUBA now watching a baseball game with one of the Primer communist dictators of our time. Its a disgrace and he continues to do nothing to protect the American people. Bin Laden? You make like he pulled the trigger. The Glorious US Navy Seals got Bid Laden IN SPITE of Obama and he does nothing for veterans . We have homeless veterans and 2-3 commit suicide every week. Yet he cries for refugees . Why aren't the nations surrounding Libya taking any? He wont be happy until this is a third would country.








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PS: I'd give Obama a B for his 8 years. Room for improvement.
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Obama is asking congress for a 17% raise as he leaves the white house. As he asking Americans to take from their paychecks so he can play golf and spend full time in communist countries and activist pursuits.

Meanwhile Donald Trump is a multi Billionaire. He could be sitting on a Island somewhere chilling out. He asks for NOTHING. He has spent over $40 million out of pocket and said he will spend what it takes to make this country great again and prosperous. The only ones that fear him and hate him are those that have getting by on America's Tit . Sucking on welfare , and Hillary has said she will try to insure Illegal immigrants. Thats just great. Continue to let China profit , let all other nations profit while the National debt skyrockets.

I'm not a right wing Republican. I always knew there were issues but this race has really highlighted the need for term limits in congress. That GOP establishment needs to go.

The Left is so far left its falling off the chart. Its in uncharted territory , its not democrat anymore. Its going towards socialism and the political correctness is not allowing anything to be accomplished. The Pandering to the uneducated and lazy is sickening. A 3rd party has been needed for decades. But could never get any traction thanks to Super Packs and the Media.

This time is different . This time it may be History in the making. And I like the fact that everyone is so up in arms and freaking out. You have Hollywood liberals swearing to move to canada (why not Mexico? Hmmmmmmm :headscratch ) The Media like Megyn Kelly and FOX cant control him . He walks out of debates he dictates the playing field. The GOP is just beyond themselves talking 3rd parties! Ever think you would ever see that? And Hillary won't admit it.....but she is scared s**less. Everything points towards it.

But he still has to get the nomination and the fact that he wins Louisiana and Cruz gets more delegates shows that he just may not because they say so. that would be really bad . REALLY BAD. But old selfish white men are like that. They dont care about this country or the people.

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I know it probably won't matter, but have you seen the 20 minute segment or so on John Oliver's show about Trump? If you have, what do you think about it? If not, no worries.


I just saw this , sorry I missed it.

Don't watch him. Listening to him talk about Trump would be like Listening to Fireman Ed do a 20 minute piece on the Dolphins.


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Police do no wrong.

Must be Obama's fault.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernand ... t-shoot-me

If the facts of the case prompt a plea deal or outright conviction, what say you MiamiMenace? If he is found not guilty, then I will correct it I can.

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So, to recap: She hasn't been convicted of a crime. Thanks.


Neither was OJ in the first trial. Clinton has been part of so many investigations during her career, I guess it's just a coincidence. That darn right wing conspiracy!

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Still, you're OK with a person that has zero understanding of economics being in the White House.

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What you are really saying is you want the definition to be on your own terms:


Well if that were the case, I guess you'd be arguing that it would be OK for you but not for anyone else. :hithead:

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So, to recap: She hasn't been convicted of a crime. Thanks.


Neither was OJ in the first trial. Clinton has been part of so many investigations during her career, I guess it's just a coincidence. That darn right wing conspiracy!

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Still, you're OK with a person that has zero understanding of economics being in the White House.



Dictionary.com defines criminal as "guilty of a crime."

Once again, Rich wants his own definition to win political arguments.

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Dictionary.com defines criminal as "guilty of a crime."

Once again, Rich wants his own definition to win political arguments.


You can't seriously be this dense. There is a difference between being guilty and being convicted.

Hillary is guilty of 4 Americans being killed by terrorists in an American embassy. She will not be convicted of this.

Hillary is also guilty of skirting the national security requirements for emails. This is PROVEN. The DOJ may decide to protect here, and if they do she won't be convicted.

Al Sharpton is clearly guilty of millions of dollars in tax evasion. How much time has he served?

Surely if we were arguing about the death penalty, you would be all for protecting those they may not really be guilty even if they had been convicted.

There is a term for this in the dictionary. Hypocrisy.

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1984phins wrote:
So, to recap: She hasn't been convicted of a crime. Thanks.


Neither was OJ in the first trial. Clinton has been part of so many investigations during her career, I guess it's just a coincidence. That darn right wing conspiracy!

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Sanders: What it most likely means is that his policies get watered down by Congress and becoming something more center left than socialist.


Still, you're OK with a person that has zero understanding of economics being in the White House.



Dictionary.com defines criminal as "guilty of a crime."

Once again, Rich wants his own definition to win political arguments.


Its going to be a long summer Bro. If we can all be honest about the issues it will help the discussion otherwise its going to just be a meaningless back and forth like a Jets fan and one of us discussing a game.

At this point I've decided to vote for Trump . Mainly because everyone I can't stand doesnt want him so. :yay: But I cant deny his many many shortcomings. I dont believe hes racist for a second , but how he handled the KKK thing and David Duke was just Moronic. And the latest flap with Chris Matthews makes me cringe when I see it. Hes far from perfect but I think this country and the world needs the shake up. Hillary will be another term of the same old same old maybe worse. I think if Cruz gets in , and I don't dislike him, I just dont trust him , hes a 1 term President.

But dont pretend Hillary is all that. You want to Vote for her , fine. But it's already been proven she's done way more than others in her email scandal and those others have been to jail, and careers stripped. Its a fact that benghazi left 4 people dead and I believe those soldiers and those that were there that have no political gain over her lying butt.

It also makes sense that Obama would protect her because he has a lot to lose if Hillary doesnt make it to the whitehouse. Its all about his third term now.

Agree , dont agree, but dont pretend she is a great person and not with great weaknesses. She also helped develop ISIS into what they are today and continue to be. She has a long Track record and has done nothing to help women , help minorities, or protect this country. EVER.

Lets just be honest from here on in or whats the purpose? :headscratch


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Lets just be honest from here on in or whats the purpose? :headscratch


He's your typical political debater that only likes a certain letter before the name and just parrots talking points from either the party or the ideological bloggers. He is firmly implanted in the group think from one of the two major parties.

People like this, on both sides, are incapable of free thought.

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Lets just be honest from here on in or whats the purpose? :headscratch


He's your typical political debater that only likes a certain letter before the name and just parrots talking points from either the party or the ideological bloggers. He is firmly implanted in the group think from one of the two major parties.

People like this, on both sides, are incapable of free thought.


Alot are like him. They treat political affiliation like a sports team Rivaly. I'd never root for the Jets over the Dolphins, but if the Jets were able to change my kids futures , I'd rethink that stance in a heartbeat.

Both sides are Fuked up . And it will continue and the nation will be divided if something isn't done.


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Hi all! I'm trying something new: no political arguments. From now on, I will stick to horse race stuff. It's more fun that way.

So.... With Trump losing Wisconsin, odds of an open convention increased.

What will the GOP do? What do you think is the best course of action? I'll hang up and listen on the line.

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All of the candidates are abhorrently awful. As in, I have never seen such a bad choice in candidates. As in, any of the four candidates that have a shot to win the nomination and/or presidency are terrible, awful... and America is in trouble either way.

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1984..........you are free to discuss what you wish. And I hold nothing against you for being a liberal Democrat. However I just wish you would once admit there are weakness on both sides.

As far as a contested convention goes, it would have th o be Trump or Cruz. If they stick someone else in like Bush or Kasich who has only won his state then it's the end of the Republican party as we know it and proves there is no people for the people.

On the Democrats side the super delegates prove it on their end. Shows how bad Hillary is when a guy like Sanders is winning in many states.

Before this election people didn't really care how elections worked. Now you can see how crooked it really is.The rich do run the country. The Koch brothers can do what they wish.

Do you remember trading places, or recently that movie, The Campaign? I laughed at both but there really are two rich old coit's calling all the shots and pushing only those they can control. HILLARY AND Cruz are puppets on a string.


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All of the candidates are abhorrently awful. As in, I have never seen such a bad choice in candidates. As in, any of the four candidates that have a shot to win the nomination and/or presidency are terrible, awful... and America is in trouble either way.


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Only 3rd party candidate on all 50 ballots. Is inching closer to getting into the National Debates. Obviously if he doesn't has a snowballs chance in hell. But he will get my vote regardless.

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