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Figure of crucified man on Shroud comes to life

Posted: March 24, 2010
By Chelsea Schilling
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The world will have an extraordinary opportunity to look upon an undistorted, never-before-seen, moving 3-D portrait of a man who many think is the crucified Jesus Christ.

In just one week, graphic experts will bring to life an imprint on the holy relic known as the Shroud of Turin, believed by millions to be the burial shroud of Christ.

The Shroud of Turin bears the full-body, back-and-front image of a crucified man that is said to closely resemble the New Testament description of the passion and death of Christ. The 14-foot cloth long has posed mysteries because of its age and its negative image of a bloodstained and battered man who had been crucified. Believers claim it to be the miraculous image of Jesus, formed as he rose from the dead.

The History Channel will air "The Real Face of Jesus?," a special two-hour event that premieres March 30 at 9 p.m. EST. It aims to bring the world as close as it has ever come to seeing what Jesus may have actually looked like.

Computer graphics artist Ray Downing of Studio Macbeth used today's most sophisticated electronic tools and software in a yearlong effort to recreate the face imprint on the Shroud of Turin.

"The presence of 3-D information encoded in a 2-D image is quite unexpected, as well as unique," Downing said. "It is as if there is an instruction set inside a picture for building a sculpture."

He told WND some scientists debate whether 3-D information is provided in the shroud.

"It's so unusual to find this kind of information – in ancient cloths, photographs, paintings, drawings and etchings – it's so unusual that some think it's a miracle and some doubt it's even there," he said. "The people who say it's not there haven't examined it for themselves. Disbelievers disbelieve it. Believers think it's a miracle "

Downing used similar computer graphics techniques in 2009 to create moving images of Abraham Lincoln in "Stealing Lincoln's Body." He said in "The Real Face of Jesus?," viewers will learn how artists used the technology to build the figure.

"There comes a time in the show where there's a climax where we actually reveal the face of Jesus," he explained. "What you'll see is a very, very close shot of Jesus in the tomb, and then he comes to life."

Downing said there are two lessons within the story of the shroud.

"There is the story of the shroud which, artistically and scientifically, is the story of a transition from two dimensional to three dimensional. But there is as well the story of the man in the shroud, and a record of His transformation from death to life," Downing observed. "The two stories are intertwined; they seem to be one and the same."

In 2009, Downing and the History Channel traveled to see John Jackson, a physics lecturer at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs who runs the Turin Shroud Center of Colorado, to learn more about the science of the cloth from the man who has studied it first-hand.

In 1978, Jackson led a team of American scientists which was given exclusive access to the Shroud of Turin for five days of intensive scientific examination. Jackson has continued his analysis of that data until the present time.


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"People are so fascinated by this because there's a real possibility that this might be the historic burial cloth of Jesus," Jackson told WND. "If it's the burial cloth of Jesus, then it would also be the resurrection cloth. Suddenly, you have a physical object – here we are 2,000 years later – that conceivably could just bring us right into the Easter tomb."

Jackson said the shroud shows all the blood wounds that are recorded in the gospels. Among Jackson's findings he cited:

** Bloodstains on the shroud are real, and the blood has not been degraded by heat.
Historians say the stains are consistent with crucifixion, including puncture wounds from thorns and scourge marks from a Roman whip.

** A puncture wound in the man's side is consistent with a Roman spear. And the wound marks showing nail holes through the wrists and heels are consistent with Roman crucifixion.
A textile restorer, Mechthild Flury-Lemberg, in 2002 announced the stitching found in the material had been seen in material from only one other source: the ruins of Masada, a Jewish settlement destroyed in A.D. 74. And the herringbone weave was common in the First Century but rare in Middle Ages.

** "It would seem that it's pretty unique," Jackson explained. "Crucifixion was done quite a bit in the Roman Empire. It was their way of controlling the population that they wanted to subjugate. But the crown of thorns, according to the gospel accounts, was something that was invented for Jesus because of his claim of being King of the Jews. He was also scourged as well. There was no record that the other two men who were crucified along with Jesus had it happen to them."

Jackson said generations upon generations of people have passed on the shroud, and much of the information about the origins of the burial cloth was not passed along with it.

"So you just have a degradation of what you know about this cloth," he said. "So you have to rely upon scientific archeology of the cloth to bridge over some of that ignorance and tie things together."

The cloth is in the custody of the Vatican, which stores it in a protective chamber of inert gases in Turin's Cathedral of St. John. History reveals it was exhibited in France about 1360 by Geoffrey de Charney, a French knight who owned it then.

The Catholic Church in Turin, Italy, will exhibit the Shroud of Turin from April 10 through May 23, the fifth public exposition since 1898 and the longest in the shroud's modern history. Jackson is preparing to embark on a pilgrimage to see the Shroud from April 29 to May 6 and is inviting the public to join him.

The official website created by the Archdiocese of Turin for this year's exhibition estimates 2 million people will travel to Turin to view the shroud. Pope Benedict XVI is scheduled to visit the shroud May 2.

"The shroud is not shown every other weekend," Jackson said. "If you look at the 20th century, it was only shown four times: 1931, 1933, 1978 and 1998. That's, on average, about once every 25 years."

While the shroud was also shown in 2000, it was to celebrate the new millennium.

"I didn't expect the shroud to be shown again in Italy until about 2025, so about once every generation," he said. "Suddenly, we have the shroud being shown 10 years after the last time, so that's an opportunity that people might really want to consider taking because it's not going to be out next year. It may be 2035 before it's ever shown again, if you follow the averages of the last century."

Jackson has organized pilgrimages to see the shroud twice before. On his tour, he seeks to educate people about the shroud rather than simply capturing a glimpse of the cloth.

"We will bring own computer capability, and we will show just to our group what we think about the shroud in a lot of different ways," he said.

Jackson said he will explain the tablecloth hypothesis – or the idea that the shroud was the tablecloth at the Last Supper before it was used as a shroud. He'll also discuss its relevance to the resurrection and radio carbon dating, among various other topics of research.

"When we take people to the shroud, we want them to have a pretty good idea of what they're looking at so they can appreciate it more," he said. "I've been at this for 35 years and Rebecca, my wife, for 20 years. We want to take 55 years of thinking about this cloth from different perspectives and help people understand it the way we understand it."

Even after the 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project subjected the shroud to scientific analysis, how the image was formed on the 14-foot-long linen cloth remains a subject of debate. The theory of the shroud being Christ's burial cloth took a serious blow in the late 1980s when scientists including those at an Oxford University laboratory performed the age-dating process on a fragment of the material and came up with the results that it was no older than the 13th or 14th century, more than a millennium after New Testament times.

But Jackson later reported he had convinced Prof. Christopher Ramsey, head of the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, to test his hypothesis that carbon monoxide contamination could have skewed the test results by more than 1,000 years.

Ramsey later stated, "There is a lot of other evidence that suggests to many that the shroud is older than the radiocarbon dates allow and so further research is certainly needed."

As for the History Channel documentary, "The Real Face of Jesus?," Downing said at the end of the show viewers will see something rather exciting and unexpected.

"There's a revelation concerning the nature of the encoded information itself," Downing said. "It's a discovery that's going to be there. It doesn't disprove the shroud. It's quite the opposite. It demonstrates that the shroud image is a result of a natural process."

He added, "It witnessed an actual physical event that Christians have come to call the resurrection."


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Post Re: Is this the face of Jesus Christ?
That's funny, because I we were just watching a documentory on the Shroud of Turin yesterday in my theology class.

This would be pretty cool.


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In the day of Jesus, Jewish society was incredibly structured. Every aspect of life was precisely defined and controlled by religious beliefs. This organization of life included burial rituals.
The Bible is even very clear on this matter. John 19:38-40 is very precise in indicating that Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus prepared Jesus' body in the manner of the Jews for proper burial. This procedure involves extensive wrapping of the body, while including a LOT of myrrh and aloes that would get placed between the various layers of cloth. Specifically, John 19:40 says that "Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury."

The amount of myrrh and aloes used in this ritual was a sign of the respect for that individual. It was common to use great quantities of spices for embalming the dead. When Rabbi Gamaliel died around the same time, 80 pounds of spices were used in preparing his body. The same general situation is known regarding the death of Aristobulus. So the hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes mentioned in John 19:39 is generally in line with other highly respected people of the time.

Merrill Tenney describes the Jewish custom as follows: In preparing a body for burial according to Jewish custom, it was usually washed and straightened, and then bandaged tightly from the armpits to the ankles in strips of linen about a foot wide. Aromatic spices, often of a gummy consistency, were placed between the wrappings or folds. They served partially as a preservative and partially as a cement to glue the cloth wrappings into a solid covering. (from: The Reality of the Resurrection).

In some parts of Syria, this burial custom is still observed. In both the ancient and modern procedure, and in the description of the custom, the head was never wrapped in such a way and the face would remain uncovered. It is very likely that the neck and upper shoulders were also not wrapped in the linen strips.

The spices, the myrrh and the aloes, may have been placed dry or in the gummy consistency mentioned above. If they were placed dry between the various layers and folds of the linen, in the case of Jesus, it would not seem that we would still have the 'glue' effect mentioned above. However, in addition, a semi-liquid unguent such as nard was initially used to anoint the body. The effect of this would be to cause the powdered myrrh and aloes near the body to strongly adhere to the body and to the layers of linen. Outer layers of myrrh and the aloes might have remained as a dry powder.

The point being made here is that in either case, this complex and involved wrapping of many narrow strips of cloth would naturally have stuck together so strongly as to effectively make a relatively rigid 'cocoon' around the body.

The head and hair were anointed with the nard unguent, but the powdered spices do not appear to have been applied to the head or face. A small separate 'face cloth' or 'napkin' was generally placed on the face or around the head. John 20:7 refers to this separate cloth, so this aspect of the custom was definitely used regarding Jesus. Rather than ONE piece of cloth, certainly at least two separate pieces are described here.

Several points should be noted. A HUNDRED POUNDS of myrrh and aloes were applied during the burial preparation. If a single sheet, such as the Shroud of Turin was used as the burial cloth, how could they have applied such a great amount of spices? Jewish custom did not involve using a single cloth, but rather a number of long strips of linen that were tightly wrapped many times around the body. The presence of the myrrh and the nard would have made the burial clothes become extremely rigid. The burial clothes were never extended to cover the head or face but only wrapped the body.

The Shroud of Turin contradicts each of these known facts. It purports to show both the body and head and face of Jesus. It purports to be a single loose layer of cloth under and over the body, which is very different from the Jewish custom that was actually followed. Actually, such a burial would have been extremely disrespectful of Jesus, something that Joseph of Arimathaea would certainly not have done or allowed. No matter how carefully strips were wrapped around the body, it would be impossible to get a full body image, even if the face was not included. The Shroud of Turin is apparently not as physically rigid as the burial clothes of Jesus had to have been. It is not saturated with great amounts of myrrh and aloes, although it could be argued that such materials may have evaporated over the centuries (but precise chemical analysis should still show their presence, considering the original amount of 100 pounds, almost comparable to the body weight of Jesus Himself!).



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I'm 48, so, I have an apointment to see God's true face in about 30-40 years, but I thought it was interesting. I doubt The Shroud's authenticity, but you never know.

Thanks for the good info on the traditional burial, AQNOR.

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I'm 48, so, I have an apointment to see God's true face in about 30-40 years, but I thought it was interesting. I doubt The Shroud's authenticity, but you never know.

Thanks for the good info on the traditional burial, AQNOR.


There are several scientific discoveries coming out now a days that prove it is indeed authentic.


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There are several scientific discoveries coming out now a days that prove it is indeed authentic.


Here is one reason why I think it is NOT Jesus ....

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Isaiah 52:14: “As many were astonished at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and His form more than the sons of men:”


Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John each mention the beating Jesus received from the Romans.


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Well that's great. Post got deleted.

Shorter version, Lol: How does that quote and stuff about him being beaten prove it is not authentic?


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If the guys on the show are going to show a recognizable face than it probably would not be the face of Jesus. It would be so mishapen that it would be hard to make out distinguishable features. Marred more than any man ... that must be really bad.

I too look forward to seeing the face of my glorious savior. It could be today Maranatha.


He is risen!


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPOCQK6dT-A


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He is risen!


He is risen indeed;)

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Big Dave wrote:
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He is risen!


He is risen indeed;)


Not yet! you're getting ahead of yourselves.

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AQNOR wrote:
He is risen!


He is risen indeed;)


Not yet! you're getting ahead of yourselves.


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Lol. What Aqnor just said.


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Big Dave wrote:
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He is risen!


He is risen indeed;)



Amen!


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Lol. What Aqnor just said.


Well maybe it's different for different people, but I figured today is the day he was crucified...a time for weeping. He is risen and allelujah's don't come until they find him missing from his tomb and resurrected.

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o0o0o0....sorry. Mis-interpreted.


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I'm 48, so, I have an apointment to see God's true face in about 30-40 years, but I thought it was interesting.


Is that it? I thought you were working on your 60's. :) Jk buddy.

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Big Dave wrote:
I'm 48, so, I have an apointment to see God's true face in about 30-40 years, but I thought it was interesting.


Is that it? I thought you were working on your 60's. :) Jk buddy.


While I'd like to be with the Lord, I think he won't mind if I wait until the appointed time. LOL.

I'm not sure where the years went, but being nearly 50 blows my mind. Heck, I'm even getting AARP crap!

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Wow Dave you are old. lol

When you hit 50 will you change you handle from Big Dave to SC Dave?


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No that cant be his face,He is Black.....lol

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No that cant be his face,He is Black.....lol


Well actually Jesus was born with Jewish features but is the savior of all people.


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No that cant be his face,He is Black.....lol


Well actually Jesus was born with Jewish features but is the savior of all people.

It was just a joke.....lol didn't mean to pull at any strings.

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First, shroud scientists, including a formerly outspoken skeptic, concede their radiocarbon dating results were fatally flawed since, incredibly, samples taken from the Shroud in 1988 for the testing were contaminated by medieval reweaving which occurred after a fire nearly destroyed the Shroud centuries ago.


Many other uncanny facts have emerged:

Even with today's high technology and know-how, skeptics remain unable to reproduce the image they insist was created by a clever faker 700 years ago.


Since the image on the Shroud is essentially a perfect photographic negative that would not be properly "seen" until modern photography was invented centuries later, how could a 14th century artisan accomplish such a feat?


The fabric areas on the Shroud where the image is contained are only one fiber deep, so no paint or stain on earth could remain on the top surface of the first layer of the fibrils.


The Shroud displays the precise medical details of crucifixion – complexities only recently documented – that no medieval artist could possibly have known.
It gets much more amazing.

Assuming the image was actually made by placing the body of a man in the middle of the 14-foot length of fabric – which most everyone who has studied it believes is the case – three-dimensional, holographic images made from photographs of the Shroud suggest the body was weightless or levitating when they produced the likeness.

That's right, 3-D holographic information somehow mysteriously present in the Shroud reveals that the image is one produced not from a body lying on a stone slab, but rather an image of a weightless body, perhaps levitating above its resting place – without the indentations of the calves, buttocks and shoulders one would expect to see of a body lying on a hard surface.


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The deepness and precision of each of the colored fibers is so great that it would take a high intensity lazer to produce, or something like that. We don't have that type of technology yet...


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Even if the shroud were legit, how do we know it was the one that Christ was buried in?


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I have always had my doubts about the shroud. Personally I don't believe it was the one used on Jesus.
As for the face being His, I don't believe that either. He would have been cleansed from head to toe before burial.
And, if you believe the Bible, Isaiah says he was beaten beyond recognition, so how could you even recognize Him? Especially after all these years?
This is just my opinion, for what it's worth.

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Not to mention nobody really seems to know what he looked like.


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if you believe the Bible, Isaiah says he was beaten beyond recognition, so how could you even recognize Him?


I agree with you there, Deb .... unless this is the imprint of the risen Lord. He chose to keep the marks on His hands and side, but not His face when he appeared to His disciples.

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if you believe the Bible, Isaiah says he was beaten beyond recognition, so how could you even recognize Him?


I agree with you there, Deb .... unless this is the imprint of the risen Lord. He chose to keep the marks on His hands and side, but not His face when he appeared to His disciples.

Can you imagine what the disciples would have done? Probably scared to death. None of them but John was at the crucifiction, if I'm correct, they wouldn't have recognized him at all.

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