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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:27 am 
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I'm not one to panic or go negative, and that isn't what is happening here. I have a growing mountain of evidence to bring up as to why the Philbin regime is a failure.

Last season, when the team was bereft of offensive talent and had a rookie QB with limited college experience, the excuses were tailor made for the coaching staff to have a losing season. We preached patience, we all did.

But this season started with weapons all over the offense, from Mike Wallace to Brandon Gibson to Brian Hartline to a suprising Charles Clay. Throw in Lamar Miller.

Mike Wallace barely got a look in game one. In game two, he was incorporated into the offense heavily and it worked. Game three it was back to forgetting about the $60 million man.

Mike Wallace is simply not being used how it works best and you may as well place him on IR, because you've lost him for the rest of the season.

Lamar Miller is being underutilized. From the New Orleans game to recent games, we've seen what he can do when he has the ball in his hands. However, we go from him late in games.

Ryan Tannehill, the team's most important player, is being put in a position to fail, starting with a QB coach that doesn't have the resume to be one but just happens to be Mike Sherman's boy. Sherman is hanging him out to dry by forcing him to drop back 40+ times a game. Tannehill will be broken in half by the time the season is over, or he will have developed such bad habits and happy feet that his career may be ruined because he will be ruined between the ears. I hope Tannehill is as resilient as they say he is, because he will need all of that resiliency as this team falls apart around him.

The offensive line is a mess and that falls on the GM, who has spent enough picks on offensive line that we should be further along by now. But the other big question is, why aren't these player developing? In fact, why is Dion Jordan getting limited snaps and why aren't any of our other rookies showing up on the field consistenty?

Dion Sims, Jamar Taylor, Will Davis, etc.

Everyone who follows the draft on this site was excited with many of these picks (not so much Will Davis, but definitely Dion Jordan and Jamar Taylor).

Where is the player development?

Where is the locker room leadership? Has Joe Philbin created an environment in which leadership is not allowed unless it comes from the coaches?

On defense, we went from a 3-4 defense that was working amazingly to a 4-3 defense that wears down and can't stop the outside run. Why go away from something that works?

Which seems to be a theme with this coaching staff. If its working, we gotta fix it.

When things are working in the first half, teams adjust to what we're doing. I guess our coaches don't expect them to adjust because they come out doing the same thing and then revert to the stuff that hasn't worked in the past, like going pass happy.

The GO/GO-GO thing. Need I say more?

And now we're watching the lockerroom collapse with Jonathan Martin leaving, players questioning the coaching staff via the media, Philbin dressing down a coach in front of the players and Mike Pouncey potentially in legal trouble.

I normally preach patience, but I believe if this season continues the way it is going, and I believe it will, then there is no reason to not clean house. From GM to the coaches.

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I was just about to post the same exact title...but in reference to Armando's blog this morning.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins ... cture.html

Start over.

Rich wrote:
I normally preach patience, but I believe if this season continues the way it is going, and I believe it will, then there is no reason to not clean house. From GM to the coaches.


Based on Mando's blog, VP to Head Coach....


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Time to hire Chucky.

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Time to hire Chucky.


Honestly, yeah. I'm all in on Gruden.

They need a no nonsense guy who has a no nonsense staff.


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Phins Rock wrote:
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Time to hire Chucky.


Honestly, yeah. I'm all in on Gruden.

They need a no nonsense guy who has a no nonsense staff.


Gruden's an excellent coach. He just needs to leave personnel decisions to the GM ... with his suggestions, of course.

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Phins Rock wrote:
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Time to hire Chucky.


Honestly, yeah. I'm all in on Gruden.

They need a no nonsense guy who has a no nonsense staff.


No coaches that have already won Superbowls!

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Rich wrote:
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Time to hire Chucky.


Honestly, yeah. I'm all in on Gruden.

They need a no nonsense guy who has a no nonsense staff.


No coaches that have already won Superbowls!
Why not? our greatest head coach had already won an NFL championship before he was hired. Also as miserable a time we had under Jimmah we did manage to never sink lower than .500.

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Why not? our greatest head coach had already won an NFL championship before he was hired. Also as miserable a time we had under Jimmah we did manage to never sink lower than .500.


Which NFL championship did Shula win before joining the Dolphins? His only head coaching stint before that was with the Colts and he lost an NFL championship 27-0 to the Browns and the Superbowl to the Jets.

And Jimmy quit because he didn't have the fire in the belly.

Look at these guys that have won Superbowls, Dungy, Cowher, Gruden. They are all announcers. They don't want to go through that mess again, they got their rings.

Look at the guys that won Superbowls and went to coach somewhere else. Parcells, quit after two seasons everywhere he went. Holmgren, etc.

No coach has ever won a Superbowl as a head coach with two different teams.

There is a reason why.

As far as chucky, he won a Superbowl with the team Dungy built and then proceeded to downgrade the team.

I'd rather go after a guy who has lost a Superbowl than one who has won it.

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I've never understood what was so great about Gruden.


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Alright so I got my history messed up my point that I was trying to make was instead of going after co-ordinators and/or college coaches. We should go with established coaches. The only co-ordinator that I would even take a wiff at is Rob Ryan and that's only for the confidence he has/displays.

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How about the OC for the Saints?


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I'd rather go after a guy who has lost a Superbowl than one who has won it.


I guess Lovie Smith is your guy.

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I guess Lovie Smith is your guy.


lol no thanks.


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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
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I'd rather go after a guy who has lost a Superbowl than one who has won it.


I guess Lovie Smith is your guy.


Yes, because Lovie Smith is the only coach that has lost a Superbowl.

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Rich wrote:
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I'd rather go after a guy who has lost a Superbowl than one who has won it.


I guess Lovie Smith is your guy.


Yes, because Lovie Smith is the only coach that has lost a Superbowl.



I guess we can always dig up Marv Levy.

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Rich wrote:
Yes, because Lovie Smith is the only coach that has lost a Superbowl.


I guess Lovie Smith is your guy.

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
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Yes, because Lovie Smith is the only coach that has lost a Superbowl.


I guess Lovie Smith is your guy.


Yes, because Lovie Smith is the only coach that has lost a Superbowl.

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Yes, because Lovie Smith is the only coach that has lost a Superbowl.


What is your fascination with Lovie Smith?

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
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Yes, because Lovie Smith is the only coach that has lost a Superbowl.


What is your fascination with Lovie Smith?


None. I didn't bring up Lovie Smith.

You did.

My response was sarcastic and I guess that went right over your head.

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Why not? our greatest head coach had already won an NFL championship before he was hired. Also as miserable a time we had under Jimmah we did manage to never sink lower than .500.


Which NFL championship did Shula win before joining the Dolphins? His only head coaching stint before that was with the Colts and he lost an NFL championship 27-0 to the Browns and the Superbowl to the Jets.

And Jimmy quit because he didn't have the fire in the belly.

Look at these guys that have won Superbowls, Dungy, Cowher, Gruden. They are all announcers. They don't want to go through that mess again, they got their rings.

Look at the guys that won Superbowls and went to coach somewhere else. Parcells, quit after two seasons everywhere he went. Holmgren, etc.

No coach has ever won a Superbowl as a head coach with two different teams.

There is a reason why.

As far as chucky, he won a Superbowl with the team Dungy built and then proceeded to downgrade the team.

I'd rather go after a guy who has lost a Superbowl than one who has won it.


I think Gruden has that fire. He wants back in and has been studying Chip Kelly's Oregon offense and how he can implement some of those philosophies in the NFL. I didn't want to be part of a Kelly experiement because I didn't want his offense with an NFL twist. I want the NFL offense with a Kelly twist, which is what I think Gruden can build. I think he'll have success with it.

Dan Marino at VP and Gruden at Head Coach would be an interesting dynamic. Huge egos colliding, and it would be hard for a GM to fit in-between the two. That said, you need some stability and a strong, respected hand at the top (Marino) and a proven, knows-how-to-do-it, commodity at the bottom (Gruden).

Get it done, Ross.


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My response was sarcastic and I guess that went right over your head.


The irony is killing me right now

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I think Gruden has that fire. He wants back in and has been studying Chip Kelly's Oregon offense and how he can implement some of those philosophies in the NFL. I didn't want to be part of a Kelly experiement because I didn't want his offense with an NFL twist. I want the NFL offense with a Kelly twist, which is what I think Gruden can build. I think he'll have success with it.

Dan Marino at VP and Gruden at Head Coach would be an interesting dynamic. Huge egos colliding, and it would be hard for a GM to fit in-between the two. That said, you need some stability and a strong, respected hand at the top (Marino) and a proven, knows-how-to-do-it, commodity at the bottom (Gruden).

Get it done, Ross.


This is getting funnier.

So you're proposing bringing in a guy who is a QB guru that hasn't developed any quarterbacks I'm aware of and isn't responsible for building any championship teams and pair him up with a guy who doesn't have a background in scouting and acquiring talent and who quit within a week the last time he was hired to a front office position to run our team?

I would definitely like to go in a different direction.

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My response was sarcastic and I guess that went right over your head.


The irony is killing me right now

:)


Cool, hopefully it quickly finishes the job.

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I guess we can always dig up Marv Levy.

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I'd take Andy Reid right about now, but we're a year too late with that one.

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He wants back in

He does? He seems pretty straight doing monday night football.


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He wants back in

He does? He seems pretty straight doing monday night football.


He does, but he is going to want to coach and pick the players, not have to rely on Dan Marino (seriously???) to pick them.

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Dan Marino (seriously???) to pick them

lol...mistake after mistake with this team.


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If you're going to hire a new coach, hire Mike Zimmer. Guy is gonna be the next great head coach in this league... at least in my opinion.


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Does Tannehill go with GM, HC and OC?

I think Gruden would definitely want to come in and make the kid his project aka be successful off of someone else's choice.

I have zero ideas on a new HC and am going into depression over the fact that we're even discussing this so soon.


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I think Gruden has that fire. He wants back in and has been studying Chip Kelly's Oregon offense and how he can implement some of those philosophies in the NFL. I didn't want to be part of a Kelly experiement because I didn't want his offense with an NFL twist. I want the NFL offense with a Kelly twist, which is what I think Gruden can build. I think he'll have success with it.

Dan Marino at VP and Gruden at Head Coach would be an interesting dynamic. Huge egos colliding, and it would be hard for a GM to fit in-between the two. That said, you need some stability and a strong, respected hand at the top (Marino) and a proven, knows-how-to-do-it, commodity at the bottom (Gruden).

Get it done, Ross.


This is getting funnier.

So you're proposing bringing in a guy who is a QB guru that hasn't developed any quarterbacks I'm aware of and isn't responsible for building any championship teams and pair him up with a guy who doesn't have a background in scouting and acquiring talent and who quit within a week the last time he was hired to a front office position to run our team?

I would definitely like to go in a different direction.


So you don't want a Coach that has won a Super Bowl, but one that is proven and has developed a young QB. Good luck.

By the way, didn't Gruden take Rich Gannon from a nobody to a perennial Pro Bowler? Wasn't he on Holgrem's staff while Favre was coming up?

You can't have it all. It's going to be impossible to find a proven Head Coach, who has developed a young QB to your satisfaction, who has not won a Super Bowl, and at the same time has built a championship team.

You use the argument that Gruden won with Dungy's team. Well didn't Oakland get to the Super Bowl with Gruden's team? Same difference...

And I said Marino as the VP. Not GM. He hires the people who know what they're doing. Like Elway, he's the guy who brings stability and a respected face to the organization; something it desparetly needs.


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So you don't want a Coach that has won a Super Bowl, but one that is proven and has developed a young QB. Good luck.


Eh, you missed the point of what I said. Gruden has been dubbed a QB guru but has never demonstrated the ability to develop a young QB into a good QB.

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I wouldn't call 4 Pro Bowls perennial.

Gannon had his best season as a QB after Chucky left Oakland, btw.

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Yeah... as a wide receivers coach...

The QB coach of the Packers was Steve Mariucci.

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You can't have it all. It's going to be impossible to find a proven Head Coach, who has developed a young QB to your satisfaction, who has not won a Super Bowl, and at the same time has built a championship team.


Except I never said I wanted all of this. You're just taking my comment about Gruden and running with it.

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You use the argument that Gruden won with Dungy's team. Well didn't Oakland get to the Super Bowl with Gruden's team? Same difference...


Except that Al Davis was the guy calling the shots in Oakland when it came to players. Gruden was just the coach. He had more control in Tampa and proceeded to turn them from a Superbowl team into a 7-9 and then 5-11 team in just a matter of two years.

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And I said Marino as the VP. Not GM. He hires the people who know what they're doing. Like Elway, he's the guy who brings stability and a respected face to the organization; something it desparetly needs.


Yeah, given Marino's recent past, I'm not sure how much respect he will bring.

And an Executive VP of Football Operations typically has final say on all football decisions.

Meaning that he has to yay or nay player acquisitions.

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If you blow this up which players do you keep? Who do you build with?


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I wouldn't call 4 Pro Bowls perennial.


Semantics. He was towards the end of his playing career. Four straight Pro Bowls is pretty darn good.

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But he helped develop/turn him into the passer he was. My point.

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The QB coach of the Packers was Steve Mariucci.


And he was a first hand witness to it. He then went on to do great work with Gannon.

BTW, I never said Gruden was a QB guru, or that's the reason I'd bring him in. This has kind of entered the conversation out of nowhere.

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Except I never said I wanted all of this. You're just taking my comment about Gruden and running with it.


You said you don't want Gruden because he hasn't done X, Y, and Z, but you're NOT saying that you want a coach who has done X, Y, and Z? What's the difference?

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Except that Al Davis was the guy calling the shots in Oakland when it came to players. Gruden was just the coach. He had more control in Tampa and proceeded to turn them from a Superbowl team into a 7-9 and then 5-11 team in just a matter of two years.


Right. And like I've said, I wouldn't want Gruden in charge of personnel, and it would be hard to stick a GM in-between him and Marino. But if it can be done, make it happen.

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Yeah, given Marino's recent past, I'm not sure how much respect he will bring.

And an Executive VP of Football Operations typically has final say on all football decisions.

Meaning that he has to yay or nay player acquisitions.


He has final say, but it doesn't mean he won't hire a GM who he trusts to make these decisions for him, realizing he's not a scout and has no experience as a personnel executive. Does Elway really do the drafting in Denver? I'm sure he has big picture input/plans, but I doubt he's sitting there giving his 2 cents on whether or not a 3rd round corner has quick enough feet to play in the slot.


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I've never understood what was so great about Gruden.


I don't want Gruden or Cowher. I want a brilliant offensive coordinater currently in the nFL.


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You said you don't want Gruden because he hasn't done X, Y, and Z, but you're NOT saying that you want a coach who has done X, Y, and Z? What's the difference?


Uh, my general comment is that I don't want a coach who has already won a Superbowl. The Superbowl has been going on for over 40 years and no coach has won it with more than one team. There is a reason for this. They win it with one team and it quells a fire. By the time they are with their next team, the game has passed them by.

I'm guessing the success rate for coaches who have coached in a Superbowl and lost, then gone elsewhere is failure high, so I'll go with that guy.

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Right. And like I've said, I wouldn't want Gruden in charge of personnel, and it would be hard to stick a GM in-between him and Marino. But if it can be done, make it happen.


Gruden will want control of personnel.

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How about the OC for the Saints?


I wanted him 3 years ago.


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I'd hire Marino in an instant. He's smarter than Elway. He brings with him an image that Elway brought to the Broncos. Maybe you make him VP? This team needs the karma lifted guys. Someone who is going to change the culture from the snake bitten one that resides there now.


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I guess we can always dig up Marv Levy.

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I'd take Andy Reid right about now, but we're a year too late with that one.


Andy Reid will never win a Super Bowl. just ask Eagle fans.


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Maybe not, but he was always in the playoffs. I'd trade for that right now.


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Maybe not, but he was always in the playoffs. I'd trade for that right now.


during Reid's glory years in Philly he feasted on a patheticly weak NFC. Then the rest of the conference caught up. He always got outcoached by inferior teams in the NFC title games. Couldn't adjust properly at halftime of the Tampa or Carolina games.


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