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Post Tannehill on pace for 4,205 yards, 24 TD's, 18 INT's.
Those stats surprised me when I read them, but he is on pace for a good season. I'd expect the picks to be less, and the TDs to be around 24. People need to realize how badly this offensive line is holding him back, I truly believe we would've converted at least another 1st down to make a FG with him had it not been for Clabo and his sorry ass. Clabo has given up the game killing sack TWICE in a row now. I hate that guy lol.

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Those stats surprised me when I read them, but he is on pace for a good season. I'd expect the picks to be less, and the TDs to be around 24. People need to realize how badly this offensive line is holding him back, I truly believe we would've converted at least another 1st down to make a FG with him had it not been for Clabo and his sorry ass. Clabo has given up the game killing sack TWICE in a row now. I hate that guy lol.


How many other QB's are on pace for similar numbers? Otherwise the stat on it's face is kind of meaningless. We also are still lopsided in our pass/run distribution.

You're also not including fumbles lost (4) so that puts his TD/INT count at almost par for the course.

The O-line wasn't the problem today when he handed the Bills D a touchdown with a bow on it .... nor was it to blame for the medicine ball he he threw and got intercepted in the endzone. That being said, if they don't cut Clabo then this team is not sending the right messages.

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The O-line wasn't the problem today when he handed the Bills D a touchdown with a bow on it .... nor was it to blame for the medicine ball he he threw and got intercepted in the endzone. That being said, if they don't cut Clabo then this team is not sending the right messages.


Better, more experienced QBs have had worse games than him today. Bad throws resulting in turnovers happen. The offensive line is the elephant in the room, 2 picks in the 1st QTR should not spell the end for your team. Remember when we picked Romo off twice in the 1st qtr, Thanksgiving 2011? We lost.

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stats dont even matter anymore in the NFL. Every team can pass for a ton of yards, even the bad ones. Execution and smart football is what wins, not big stats.


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Better, more experienced QBs have had worse games than him today. Bad throws resulting in turnovers happen. The offensive line is the elephant in the room, 2 picks in the 1st QTR should not spell the end for your team. Remember when we picked Romo off twice in the 1st qtr, Thanksgiving 2011? We lost.


Apparently you've not seen the stats on win % when you lose the turnover battle.

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Better, more experienced QBs have had worse games than him today. Bad throws resulting in turnovers happen. The offensive line is the elephant in the room, 2 picks in the 1st QTR should not spell the end for your team. Remember when we picked Romo off twice in the 1st qtr, Thanksgiving 2011? We lost.


Apparently you've not seen the stats on win % when you lose the turnover battle.


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Funny to say but NE's defense without Talib might be the worst Tannehill will have faced to this point. Perhaps he gets closer to that 24 TD total.


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How many other QB's are on pace for similar numbers? Otherwise the stat on it's face is kind of meaningless.


It doesn't matter what other QBs are doing. What matters is that our quarterback continue to show improvement and the best way to measure that is statistics.

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Post Re: Tannehill on pace for 4,205 yards, 24 TD's, 18 INT's.
It doesn't matter what other QBs are doing. What matters is that our quarterback continue to show improvement and the best way to measure that is statistics.


He is improving and that's why I still think he's a franchise QB, but he must stop throwing picks, seriously. Those two yesterday were Henne like, sorry, but they were. The positive news is that he's still threw 3 tds behind this OL, that has to say something about this kid. the Steelers line looked worse than ours and after the bye, the Steelers line protected Ben yesterday and viola! They won! Our OL needs help, no way is the Back RT worse than Clabo, no way.


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He is improving and that's why I still think he's a franchise QB, but he must stop throwing picks, seriously.


You're going to have to deal with picks and fumbles behind this offensive line. Sorry, but it's part of the process.

Hopefully the offensive line and offensive coordinator don't damage his development.

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ou're going to have to deal with picks and fumbles behind this offensive line. Sorry, but it's part of the process.

Hopefully the offensive line and offensive coordinator don't damage his development.


Those picks yesterday were on him, especially the one in the redzone.


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ou're going to have to deal with picks and fumbles behind this offensive line. Sorry, but it's part of the process.

Hopefully the offensive line and offensive coordinator don't damage his development.


Those picks yesterday were on him, especially the one in the redzone.


I don't believe I said otherwise. But again, it comes with the territory of developing a young QB.

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Miami Dolphins on pace for 8-8

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Miami Dolphins on pace for 8-8


Which sadly would be their best record since 2008.


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I don't believe I said otherwise. But again, it comes with the territory of developing a young QB.


I never said you did, calm down man, we are just talking. I agree with everything you say, it's like a conversation on the dumb internet..lol.


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It doesn't matter what other QBs are doing. What matters is that our quarterback continue to show improvement and the best way to measure that is statistics.


I think it does in terms of how it was being represented by the thread poster. What good is it if he's improving upon his own stats if he's not separating from the pack?

Again, while he's improving on some really nice areas that we've discussed before, he's also not in others .... with the big one being turnovers. If he continues to negate the good with the bad then we will arrive at that dreaded "average".

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If he continues to negate the good with the bad then we will arrive at that dreaded "average".


Insert the "beating the dead horse" photo, but Tannehill's improvement will be accelerated by creating a better enviroment for him. It is just that phase of his career. Other good, young QBs have been there so its not a huge knock. He's not going to overcome a bad o-line, lack of consistent ground game or strange, redundant play calls.

Expecting Tannehill to just go out and be a different, more seasoned QB is not reality. Crap is going to happen along the way.


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What good is it if he's improving upon his own stats


So are you saying that if he is getting better, it's not any good?

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Expecting Tannehill to just go out and be a different, more seasoned QB is not reality. Crap is going to happen along the way.


The expectations some have are simply not realistic.

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What good is it if he's improving upon his own stats


So are you saying that if he is getting better, it's not any good?


No.

I'm saying that improving up your own stats in a phone booth does not lead one to a quality result and how it relates to team success in the future.

In the past we might've gone wow 4,200 yards seems like quite bit. But not when you consider that even at the pace he's on, he's still only 18th in the league in yardage. We also know that his stats are affected by the fact that we're still at a pace of 2:1 pass to run.

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But not when you consider that even at the pace he's on, he's still only 18th in the league in yardage. We also know that his stats are affected by the fact that we're still at a pace of 2:1 pass to run.


He's 18th in the league in yardage but 20th in pass attempts. Wouldn't it make more sense to look at yards per game, where he is ranked 13th, given that the Dolphins had an early bye and several other QBs have played more games?

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We also know that his stats are affected by the fact that we're still at a pace of 2:1 pass to run.


You can pull a positive from this as well. The fact that the majority of his turnovers have come in 2 of 6 games despite the increased passing (with defenses knowing the pass is coming) is a plus for him. If he were leaned on like this last season he'd have double digit picks by now.

Just trying to keep it all in perspective.


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We also know that his stats are affected by the fact that we're still at a pace of 2:1 pass to run.


You can pull a positive from this as well. The fact that the majority of his turnovers have come in 2 of 6 games despite the increased passing (with defenses knowing the pass is coming) is a plus for him. If he were leaned on like this last season he'd have double digit picks by now.

Just trying to keep it all in perspective.


Oh I know.

But you can attempt to dissect "which" games the INT's come from ..... yet the averages will continue to bare out nonetheless. Should we be concerned that he has two games of over 3 turnovers already?

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But not when you consider that even at the pace he's on, he's still only 18th in the league in yardage. We also know that his stats are affected by the fact that we're still at a pace of 2:1 pass to run.


He's 18th in the league in yardage but 20th in pass attempts. Wouldn't it make more sense to look at yards per game, where he is ranked 13th, given that the Dolphins had an early bye and several other QBs have played more games?


Most definitely we can look at that.

My argument is that the yards/game (along with yardage) are slightly skewed because we're absolutely not committed to getting a consistent run game going and to this point we're an average team having Tanny drop back as much as we do.

Btw, yards per attempt he's still 19th in the league.

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Andrew Luck is 22nd in YPA.

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Tom Brady is 31st in YPA.

Just saying...

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Andrew Luck is 22nd in YPA.


We're talking about the difference between 7.0 and 7.2

He also has 10 TD's, 3 INT's, 91.3 rating, and 71.91 QBR.

Crazy stat I just saw btw, the guy has nine 4th quarter comebacks already.

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Andrew Luck is 22nd in YPA.


We're talking about the difference between 7.0 and 7.2

He also has 10 TD's, 3 INT's, 91.3 rating, and 71.91 QBR.

Crazy stat I just saw btw, the guy has nine 4th quarter comebacks already.


Ok but you mentioned YPA. Obviously that is an accurate indicator of absolutely nothing.

The system and surrounding talent have a great impact on that stat and seeing as how the Dolphins run a lot of quick, short passing plays...

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Ok but you mentioned YPA. Obviously that is an accurate indicator of absolutely nothing.

The system and surrounding talent have a great impact on that stat and seeing as how the Dolphins run a lot of quick, short passing plays...


I mentioned it because you wanted me to concentrate on yards/game.

Yes, I do agree with you that the offense much of the time can dictate the stat. Brady without his TE's and a viable deep threat has seen is deteriorate.

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The expectations some have are simply not realistic.


I did not expect 9 TD's, 7 INT's and 7 fumbles

I guess I set the bar too high too... :embarrassed:

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The expectations some have are simply not realistic.


I did not expect 9 TD's, 7 INT's and 7 fumbles

I guess I set the bar too high too... :embarrassed:


You probably didn't expect an offensive line on pace to allow over 70 sacks either.

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Btw .... did you know that Tanny is on pace for 584 attempts this year? Dan Marino only had 3 seasons with more than that.

They gotta get commit to the run game. That is too much.

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Btw .... did you know that Tanny is on pace for 584 attempts this year? Dan Marino only had 3 seasons with more than that.

They gotta get commit to the run game. That is too much.


All I know is we stuck to the run for three quarters despite being down 14-0 early and it worked.

Once we were up 21-17, we stopped running the ball. Our first drive with the lead, we passed it three times.

I get wanting to be wide open and exciting and follow suit with the rest of the league, but sometimes going against the grain makes sense, especially when your talent is better suited for it at this point.

The proof is in the pudding. This team can run between the tackles.

But they choose to abandon the run game at the most puzzling moments.

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All I know is we stuck to the run for three quarters despite being down 14-0 early and it worked.

Once we were up 21-17, we stopped running the ball. Our first drive with the lead, we passed it three times.

I get wanting to be wide open and exciting and follow suit with the rest of the league, but sometimes going against the grain makes sense, especially when your talent is better suited for it at this point.

The proof is in the pudding. This team can run between the tackles.

But they choose to abandon the run game at the most puzzling moments.


Agreed on all accounts. It was like my grievances had been heard and Sherman had wisened up. Then he went right back to the "trying to get too cute" playcalling.

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Oh I know.

But you can attempt to dissect "which" games the INT's come from ..... yet the averages will continue to bare out nonetheless. Should we be concerned that he has two games of over 3 turnovers already?


If Miami goes 7-3 down the stretch and in two of those losses Tannehill throws 6 picks are we concerned about how the averages bare out? Add 3 more picks to reach 18 and it still wouldn't matter.

Even in the bad we can find positives for a young QB who is clearly much better than last year. I don't think the coaches expected him to have to overcome a dreadful o-line and mostly inconsistent ground game. Its important for him to realize that protecting the ball is that much more important since his teammates aren't necessarily capable of fixing his mistakes.


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The expectations some have are simply not realistic.


I did not expect 9 TD's, 7 INT's and 7 fumbles

I guess I set the bar too high too... :embarrassed:


You probably didn't expect an offensive line on pace to allow over 70 sacks either.



I expected more from Clabo, but I knew Martin stunk and we were going to have issues with the line that would carry over... Changing guys out on a line always comes with some growing pains, but when you swap them for guys that are bad its just not going to get better...

I have complained about trading up for a DE since it happened, said we would feel not addressing the o-line..
Doesnt mean I wanted a trade up for OL either, would have liked Kyle Long, or trade down and load up for depth and comp on the line...

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I expected more from Clabo, but I knew Martin stunk


He has actually graded out decently in pass protection (Martin that is). Better than Jake Long.

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Except that all of those rookies we would have picked in the first round have sucked at pass protection.

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I expected more from Clabo, but I knew Martin stunk


He has actually graded out decently in pass protection (Martin that is). Better than Jake Long.

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I have complained about trading up for a DE since it happened, said we would feel not addressing the o-line..


Except that all of those rookies we would have picked in the first round have sucked at pass protection.


Yeah and Dion Jordan barely sniffs the grass...

I would rather be grooming a young Kyle Long or whoever and have that extra 2nd round pick right now. We at the least could hope for improvement week to week instead of more of the same...

We traded up to "develop" a DE, I dont understand how the way another rookie is playing makes a difference, the reason for "building through the draft" is to develop them, meaning they probably wont start great most times... Any one of those other guys could turn out to be a franchise type player.. Right now the glaring difference I see is snaps.. Most have seen 300+ already, plenty of time to learn.. Ours, not so much...

My problem is not the concept, or player.. Its the position they focused on, knowing these questions were there. And now they barely play him, probably afraid he will not have a great game and get more bad PR..

We will head into this off season eyeballing the lineman in the draft again... Not too mention we still seem to have WR issues.. More of the same

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Coulda sworn Dion Jordan made another big play during the Bills game.

Everytime he sniffs the field, he does something good.

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