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It has been a rough couple of weeks for Dolphins offensive coordinator Mike Sherman. His play-calling has been shoddy, including a pair of head-scratching decisions to run the ball outside on third-and-1. Sherman called only 11 runs in what was a close and competitive game, whereas the Dolphins passed the ball 40 times. It will be Sherman’s job to re-evaluate the offense and his play-calling tendencies over the next two weeks. Opponents are starting to catch up to the Dolphins' offense after a solid start in the first three games.


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So does Sherman play bully to Philbin? He (Philbin) cant tell him something is not working, make him change it up?

Seems odd to me, an offensive minded coach, who was known for his game planning week to week in GB suddenly has no say in what our offense does..

I hope we are not headed down this road again, because if memory serves me it ends with a new staff

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That's a pick worth captioning. I'll start:

"Damn it, another first down! I'm trying my best to be inept!!!"

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Sherman isn't going anywhere this year.

Unfortunately, this offense might not either.


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That's a pick worth captioning. I'll start:

"Damn it, another first down! I'm trying my best to be inept!!!"


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So does Sherman play bully to Philbin? He (Philbin) cant tell him something is not working, make him change it up?

Seems odd to me, an offensive minded coach, who was known for his game planning week to week in GB suddenly has no say in what our offense does..

I hope we are not headed down this road again, because if memory serves me it ends with a new staff



We need to hope like hell that there is some serious self evaluation done during this bye week. Philbin needs to be able to let Sherman know changes need to be made, because they do.

I think Mike Sherman is a concern, among the ones that need to be addressed on the offensive side of the ball.

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Sherman keeps being 'haunted' by his calls in short yardage situations.

Maybe his philosophy is to continue haunting himself with new ones so he can forget about the old ones.

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I remember what it is like as an OC. You draw it up against tendencies in the up coming defense and it works like magic. You get to the game and you lose 2 yards. You run it again and you lose 2 more. At that point I usually scrap the play. Sherman is a little more stubborn than I am. He lost 2 last week so he opens with the first two runs being zone blocks to the right...he was stuffed for no gain twice. So what does he do in the 2nd half...tries it again. Yo Sherman...burn the play. Take it out of the playbook and burn it.


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Maybe its not the play calling as much as it is the lack of executing of the call or the lack of talent of the players to execute the call.. If those 3rd & 1 break for 40 yds then no one is questioning the call. In fact everyone is talking about how he fooled the D with such a great call.

Its called fence jumping. Bash the call also when it works. No one does that, though.


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Maybe its not the play calling as much as it is the lack of executing of the call or the lack of talent of the players to execute the call.. If those 3rd & 1 break for 40 yds then no one is questioning the call. In fact everyone is talking about how he fooled the D with such a great call.

Its called fence jumping. Bash the call also when it works. No one does that, though.


You run it once. If they stuff it, you try something else. Simple logic would say you don't run a failed play twice back to back. Go watch the game and be objective. First series: 9 yard pass to wallace. 2:1 - zone sweep right with Miller...no gain. 3:1 - EXACT SAME PLAY

Even the announcer brought it up. Everyone on here sees it. Its not fence jumping. It is common sense. :hithead:


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Dphins4me wrote:
Maybe its not the play calling as much as it is the lack of executing of the call or the lack of talent of the players to execute the call.. If those 3rd & 1 break for 40 yds then no one is questioning the call. In fact everyone is talking about how he fooled the D with such a great call.

Its called fence jumping. Bash the call also when it works. No one does that, though.


You run it once. If they stuff it, you try something else. Simple logic would say you don't run a failed play twice back to back. Go watch the game and be objective. First series: 9 yard pass to wallace. 2:1 - zone sweep right with Miller...no gain. 3:1 - EXACT SAME PLAY

Even the announcer brought it up. Everyone on here sees it. Its not fence jumping. It is common sense. :hithead:


Atleast he gave the ball to Miller this time and not Thomas....Watching Thomas run is getting old to me. And Sherman thinks he is somehow as good as Miller.

I'm not sure it's the play calling as much as not using players correctly though.There is always plays that make you scratch your head, watching any team.


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Even the announcer brought it up. Everyone on here sees it. Its not fence jumping. It is common sense.

Well, if the announcers brought it up, that changes everything.


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Maybe off topic a bit but does anyone know the pass distributions for the last 5 games? You know.....example: 3/10 left middle, 5/15 right middle, etc.....?

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Dphins4me wrote:
NFLJunkie wrote:
Even the announcer brought it up. Everyone on here sees it. Its not fence jumping. It is common sense.

Well, if the announcers brought it up, that changes everything.

No always, but you disagreeing with it makes it certain.


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Maybe off topic a bit but does anyone know the pass distributions for the last 5 games? You know.....example: 3/10 left middle, 5/15 right middle, etc.....?


Todays game was about 3-1 right to left. There weren't a lot of throws between the hash marks either.


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No always, but you disagreeing with it makes it certain.
Sorry to disappoint, but I do not fence jump on calls. Seen teams run wide on 3rd & short many times. Some fail, some succeed. The difference is usually the execution of the play.

I will say though. It might have been the refs fault the play failed. There had to be a penalty against the Ravens they failed to call.


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Maybe its not the play calling as much as it is the lack of executing of the call or the lack of talent of the players to execute the call.. If those 3rd & 1 break for 40 yds then no one is questioning the call. In fact everyone is talking about how he fooled the D with such a great call.

Its called fence jumping. Bash the call also when it works. No one does that, though.


We know what this team is and isn't good at. And they haven't been good running those stretch plays all season. They also aren't good at pass protection, so it's a no brainer that 10 runs to 47 passes is a recipe for failure.

It's common sense, not fence jumping.

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Dphins4me wrote:
NFLJunkie wrote:
No always, but you disagreeing with it makes it certain.
Sorry to disappoint, but I do not fence jump on calls. Seen teams run wide on 3rd & short many times. Some fail, some succeed. The difference is usually the execution of the play.

I will say though. It might have been the refs fault the play failed. There had to be a penalty against the Ravens they failed to call.


Twice in 2 weeks you have 2 downs to make less than a yard. I know, we could really fool them and run a flea flicker...there's a reason the 21 dive is in the playbook. Use it.


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who was the last great off. cord. that we've had calling plays? the DON?


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We know what this team is and isn't good at. And they haven't been good running those stretch plays all season. They also aren't good at pass protection, so it's a no brainer that 10 runs to 47 passes is a recipe for failure.

It's common sense, not fence jumping.
If my comments on fence jumping were addressing the 10:47 play calling, then you would be correct.


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Twice in 2 weeks you have 2 downs to make less than a yard. I know, we could really fool them and run a flea flicker...there's a reason the 21 dive is in the playbook. Use it.

When Sherman calls for a run up the gut & fails. Then you are here talking about how unimaginative he is & why does he run wide because "everyone" knows they are running it up the gut on 3rd & short.

That is how it works.


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NFLJunkie wrote:

Twice in 2 weeks you have 2 downs to make less than a yard. I know, we could really fool them and run a flea flicker...there's a reason the 21 dive is in the playbook. Use it.

When Sherman calls for a run up the gut & fails. Then you are here talking about how unimaginative he is & why does he run wide because "everyone" knows they are running it up the gut on 3rd & short.

That is how it works.


The bigger problem here is that if they can't get 2 yards up the gut when needed then this is a sub .500 team.

Miami had at least 1 rushing TD inside inside the 10 yd line in the first 4 games. It shouldn't be a problem getting a 1st down when a yard or two is needed. They need to search for a capable fullback.


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Rich wrote:
We know what this team is and isn't good at. And they haven't been good running those stretch plays all season. They also aren't good at pass protection, so it's a no brainer that 10 runs to 47 passes is a recipe for failure.

It's common sense, not fence jumping.
If my comments on fence jumping were addressing the 10:47 play calling, then you would be correct.


You're focusing on the 3rd and short playcalls.

That's still common sense.

We have all seen what Daniel Thomas does for years now. He isn't a powerback. He doesn't lower his shoulder. He doesn't have the speed to the outside.

We also know that John Jerry and Tyson Clabo can't run block, while we have a lot more success running to the left side.

We also know that we don't have a lot of success running outside the tackles because we do it over and over and over and it fails.

We also know that the offensive coordinator himself was haunted by the playcall against New Orleans, and yet decided to go with similar plays against the Ravens, yes with a different back, but to the side of the offensive line that cannot run block... TWICE.

There's no fence jumping here. It is a clear pattern of an offensive coordinator who is trying to fit his square talent into a round system.

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We also know that the offensive coordinator himself was haunted by the playcall against New Orleans, and yet decided to go with similar plays against the Ravens, yes with a different back, but to the side of the offensive line that cannot run block... TWICE.

There's no fence jumping here. It is a clear pattern of an offensive coordinator who is trying to fit his square talent into a round system.


He seems stuck on his handful of plays he has been running since A & M.. Look at some highlight videos of the 2011 season, looks exactly the same as what we do..

He was able to get RT out of the pocket and even had him on a bunch of designed run plays last year. Thing is he followed Fasano, who was a great blocking TE. We have no blocking up front. We cant run to the left or right, so chances are we cant do designed roll outs very well either.

Seems we are handcuffed to just drop back and pass or run up the gut.

They decided to go forward with Martin on the blind side, the big FA pick up was Clabo who is struggling. John Jerry has not proven to be anything. They felt Reggie and Fasano were not worth keeping around, so they kept a bunch of cap money and put it all on Miller and Keller. Keller is hurt, and Miller has not shown me anything that resembles what he was in college.

Sherman needs to get creative, or go back to the college circuit. Look around the league, plenty of teams find ways to be creative and hide flaws.

But the brunt of the problems fall on Ireland and Philbin for not putting the best 53 on the field when they had the chance.

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Twice in 2 weeks you have 2 downs to make less than a yard. I know, we could really fool them and run a flea flicker...there's a reason the 21 dive is in the playbook. Use it.

When Sherman calls for a run up the gut & fails. Then you are here talking about how unimaginative he is & why does he run wide because "everyone" knows they are running it up the gut on 3rd & short.

That is how it works.


If he ran the same play twice you bet I would. The difference is this: The strength on this team is throwing a short pass. Why wouldn't you play to that strength? Can you imagine Chicago forcing Jordan to dump off to Rodman at a critical point in the game. Then when Rodman threw a brick going back and doing the same exact play again? Coaches aren't above reproach. I coached 9-13 year old kids as an OC and can tell you that when a play didn't work....you trashed it. There's always the temptation to look at a play and say it should have worked if they executed properly and as a coach, you were normally right. But if the defense is on it and the offense isn't, the play sucks, no matter how brilliant the design. Sherman has now killed two critical drives with the same mentaility. I mentioned it last week but didn't stay on it. This week...he deserves the idiot of the week award for running that same play 3 times for a total of -5yds and killing two more drives in the process.


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Case endpoint...Atlanta down by 6, 4th and 2 with no running game didn't run a outside run. They threw to Gonzales because that is their money play


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Case endpoint...Atlanta down by 6, 4th and 2 with no running game didn't run a outside run. They threw to Gonzales because that is their money play

Keller was our Gonzalez.

Despite Clay's performance, that injury is felt.


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Case endpoint...Atlanta down by 6, 4th and 2 with no running game didn't run a outside run. They threw to Gonzales because that is their money play

Keller was our Gonzalez.

Despite Clay's performance, that injury is felt.


Gibson or Hartline...high percentage


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Case endpoint...Atlanta down by 6, 4th and 2 with no running game didn't run a outside run. They threw to Gonzales because that is their money play

Keller was our Gonzalez.

Despite Clay's performance, that injury is felt.


Gibson or Hartline...high percentage


Could have gone to Keller out of the formation you were in.

How effective would a PA boot with a run/pass option to Keller be?

Hell, it'd be effective to Clay if Sherman knew the play existed.


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owned!

can't imagine argueing that was a good call


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Rich wrote:

You're focusing on the 3rd and short playcalls.

That's still common sense.

We have all seen what Daniel Thomas does for years now. He isn't a powerback. He doesn't lower his shoulder. He doesn't have the speed to the outside.

We also know that John Jerry and Tyson Clabo can't run block, while we have a lot more success running to the left side.

We also know that we don't have a lot of success running outside the tackles because we do it over and over and over and it fails.

We also know that the offensive coordinator himself was haunted by the playcall against New Orleans, and yet decided to go with similar plays against the Ravens, yes with a different back, but to the side of the offensive line that cannot run block... TWICE.

There's no fence jumping here. It is a clear pattern of an offensive coordinator who is trying to fit his square talent into a round system.
I just find it rather odd that these great offensive minded coaches continually come to Miami & the fans believe they are now stupid and have no clue how to call a game. After doing so successfully for yrs. Same with defensive coaches. Then they leave & suddenly become great again.

Maybe he outsmarted himself with believing the Ravens saw the same play against the Saints & would not expect them to do it again. Its only a bad call when it doesn't work. Had Miller broke it for 40, then this thread is never typed and that is the point. No one cares when it works.


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Case endpoint...Atlanta down by 6, 4th and 2 with no running game didn't run a outside run. They threw to Gonzales because that is their money play

If Miami had a TE or offensive player the caliber of TG, then I would expect it. However, Miami does not have anyone close to the caliber of their TE or either Wr.


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Case endpoint...Atlanta down by 6, 4th and 2 with no running game didn't run a outside run. They threw to Gonzales because that is their money play

If Miami had a TE or offensive player the caliber of TG, then I would expect it. However, Miami does not have anyone close to the caliber of their TE or either Wr.


Okay, 4th and goal at the 2, down by 5...8 seconds left ...win and you're in the playoffs ... given what you see from Miami today...what are you calling?


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Rich wrote:

You're focusing on the 3rd and short playcalls.

That's still common sense.

We have all seen what Daniel Thomas does for years now. He isn't a powerback. He doesn't lower his shoulder. He doesn't have the speed to the outside.

We also know that John Jerry and Tyson Clabo can't run block, while we have a lot more success running to the left side.

We also know that we don't have a lot of success running outside the tackles because we do it over and over and over and it fails.

We also know that the offensive coordinator himself was haunted by the playcall against New Orleans, and yet decided to go with similar plays against the Ravens, yes with a different back, but to the side of the offensive line that cannot run block... TWICE.

There's no fence jumping here. It is a clear pattern of an offensive coordinator who is trying to fit his square talent into a round system.
I just find it rather odd that these great offensive minded coaches continually come to Miami & the fans believe they are now stupid and have no clue how to call a game. After doing so successfully for yrs. Same with defensive coaches. Then they leave & suddenly become great again.

Maybe he outsmarted himself with believing the Ravens saw the same play against the Saints & would not expect them to do it again. Its only a bad call when it doesn't work. Had Miller broke it for 40, then this thread is never typed and that is the point. No one cares when it works.


Its about common sense and playing to the strength of your team. And running wide is definitely not a strength for this offense. Last Monday night Sherman needed 1 inch for a critical 1st down and decided to run wide instead of right up the gut. One inch! Then he does it again the next week on 3rd and 1. Tannehill could sneak behind Pouncey for those 1st downs. Obviously Jerry and Clabo are struggling and are a huge liability right now. We need to remember that Charles Clay is the closest thing Miami has as a FB. They cut Tyler Clutts last week. Miami needs to find a way to generate a running game. Even if its mediocre. I don't know if they can use Gardner or Dallas Thomas in place of Jerry and or Clabo. But they can't keep doing the same thing they have been doing. And they need to get a RB that can block.

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He better be creating more plays for his posted note of a playbook this week.


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The thing that gets me the most is people are complaining about what he did not call, without knowing the results had he made a different call. Its easy to sit here & say. He should have called something different. However & I've seen it here. Had he called a simple run up the gut & failed then people would be complaining about what a stupid call that was.. All some are during is being Mr. Sports Hindsight guy and playing the results.


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No, what people are complaining about is doing it 3 times in short yardage...all 3 times failing to pick up a single yard. He did it on BACK TO BACK plays last week on the opening series. If he was as stubborn with plays that work, this team would be averaging 30 points a game. Unfortunately if a play works really well, he rarely calls it again.


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The thing that gets me the most is people are complaining about what he did not call, without knowing the results had he made a different call. Its easy to sit here & say. He should have called something different. However & I've seen it here. Had he called a simple run up the gut & failed then people would be complaining about what a stupid call that was.. All some are during is being Mr. Sports Hindsight guy and playing the results.



This is following the loss on MNF to New Orleans
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Sherman, on the questionable fourth and one call early in the game --- the one that was pitched to Thomas, instead of a quarterback draw: “In hindsight, I wish I did” do something different. “The guy made a great play. That was a big play in the game. That will really haunt me.”

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-b ... rylink=cpy


They he ran the same play in a similar situation a week later..

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Post Re: Sherman watch
Dphins4me wrote:
I just find it rather odd that these great offensive minded coaches continually come to Miami & the fans believe they are now stupid and have no clue how to call a game. After doing so successfully for yrs. Same with defensive coaches. Then they leave & suddenly become great again.


When is the last time Sherman coached in the NFL? The game has changed quite a bit and his system seems to lack a lot of the things being used by today's offenses. Not sure how great of an offensive mind he is anymore.

As for Philbin, I said it before we hired him. He wasn't the one calling the plays in Green Bay and it wasn't his system (and got slammed for mentioning it).

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Its only a bad call when it doesn't work. Had Miller broke it for 40, then this thread is never typed and that is the point. No one cares when it works.


If you had told anybody he was going to make those calls, we would have told you it wasn't going to work and that's the point. Because we've seen those outside runs over and over and seen the same results over and over.

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