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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:30 pm 
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He had a finger cramp and was just stretching it out. Nothing to see here. Move along.



I agree. No Miami dolphin as respectable as everyone on this team is would ever dis respect the best coach in the NFL.

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I don't care what Starks did a year ago, Odrick is the starter because he played better than Starks.

You don't replace a pro bowl starter because of injury or you're feeling butt hurt over negociations.



I haven't watched the game yet. But for what it's worth, PFF gave a higher overall grade to Odrick. It's in Mando's blog


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:52 pm 
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I'm not saying that Starks flipped off his coach., but if he did. Can you imagine wanting a raise and your boss says no? You work hard on a project and you kill it in front of everyone in a huge meeting and then you flip off your boss and everybody sees it......only in the NFL.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:12 pm 
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I just re-watched the game. Odrick is no slouch as he had a few pressures...but he was outplayed by Starks


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:06 pm 
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I just re-watched the game. Odrick is no slouch as he had a few pressures...but he was outplayed by Starks


Starks had 1.5 sacks, 1 pressure, 1 QB hit.

Odrick had 3 QB hits and 5 pressures.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:23 pm 
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I'm not saying that Starks flipped off his coach., but if he did. Can you imagine wanting a raise and your boss says no? You work hard on a project and you kill it in front of everyone in a huge meeting and then you flip off your boss and everybody sees it......only in the NFL.


He does not make these choices, he simply gives his input. Ireland is "the boss"

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:24 pm 
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Phins Rock wrote:
NFLJunkie wrote:
I just re-watched the game. Odrick is no slouch as he had a few pressures...but he was outplayed by Starks


Starks had 1.5 sacks, 1 pressure, 1 QB hit.

Odrick had 3 QB hits and 5 pressures.


I don't know where you're getting your data. So post the source.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:32 pm 
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NFLJunkie wrote:
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I just re-watched the game. Odrick is no slouch as he had a few pressures...but he was outplayed by Starks


Starks had 1.5 sacks, 1 pressure, 1 QB hit.

Odrick had 3 QB hits and 5 pressures.


I don't know where you're getting your data. So post the source.


It's on Pro Football focus. It's actually 2 pressures for Starks, not 1.

I'd call it about even.


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Phins Rock is correct. Odrick graded out higher as a pass rusher than Starks.

Just goes to show sacks aren't everything. Sometimes a hurry can be more valuable than a sack.

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Rich wrote:
Phins Rock is correct. Odrick graded out higher as a pass rusher than Starks.

Just goes to show sacks aren't everything. Sometimes a hurry can be more valuable than a sack.


Did they play an equal number of snaps? And does PFF take that into account?

Just curious really, the situational stats I look up do not have the number of plays each player has.

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Phins Rock is correct. Odrick graded out higher as a pass rusher than Starks.

Just goes to show sacks aren't everything. Sometimes a hurry can be more valuable than a sack.


Did they play an equal number of snaps? And does PFF take that into account?

Just curious really, the situational stats I look up do not have the number of plays each player has.


Odrick played 61 snaps. Starks played 40.

Soliai graded out better than both of them on 45 snaps.

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Thanks Rich, I was assuming somewhere around a 70/30% split from starter to relief man.

Its nice to see solid vet players being unseated by our recent draft picks. We need more like this, would surely make me feel better about the build through the draft plan...

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It's crazy that PFF has enough people on staff to actually grade out every player of every team for every snap of every game. That's a ridiculous amount of game film to watch.

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Rock Sexton wrote:
It's crazy that PFF has enough people on staff to actually grade out every player of every team for every snap of every game. That's a ridiculous amount of game film to watch.


What they do is awesome.

And they actually go back and review it a 2nd time. As an example, Tuesday morning, Robert Quinn was the top ranked 43 DE, but this morning it was Wake (as it should be).

They went back and revised their scoring.

It is much more telling than the "analysis" some of our local beat writers present us with.

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having enough pass rushers to be able to rotate quality player in and out is key..
check yor ego at the door and work as a unit



it's what everyone was looking for coming out of the offseason..pass rush pass rush pass rush....we were close we just needed a couple more guys and ireland went and got them


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:19 am 
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Rich wrote:
Phins Rock is correct. Odrick graded out higher as a pass rusher than Starks.

Just goes to show sacks aren't everything. Sometimes a hurry can be more valuable than a sack.


As a QB whose been hit like Starks hit Weeden on one of those hurries...that was brutal and can have lasting effects on a QB's willingness to hang in there. I can't remember the exact location in the game but he came free on a stunt. He hit him in the midsection and rolled his shoulder creating a whiplash effect. I've come away from hits like that walking to the wrong sideline. I'll say this, Odrick played well, Starks played well ... I'm glad we have both of them.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:58 am 
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I'll say this, Odrick played well, Starks played well ... I'm glad we have both of them.


Yeah my feelings as well..

And Starks will play hard every snap this year knowing he is working on his resume for the off season...

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