Yeah...click the "AVG" button and you'll see Ginn slide to 13th. Big whoop he had a bunch of yards...it tends to happen when your defense gives up points left and right.

He's tied for 2nd in Kick return touchdowns...but what about total Punt and Kick? He falls out of the top 5.

Combine that with his ratio of detrimental plays=good plays that I listed in another thread, and I'll say the same: "You're probably not going to change your opinion even after I present [the facts]"

Pretty much. The fact is that you cannot teach SPEED and he has is to spare, you CAN teach route running, catching with your hands etc. The last 6 games he caught everything thrown his way, it took him a few games to get the timing down with Henne. However, to the uneducated Fins fan, he dropped every pass. I am here to educate the football challenged.

LMFAO Iowa !!! You are such a hater, he wasn't THE PUNT RETURNER LAST YEAR. Bess was !!! Another brilliant move by Sparano. Tell me something Iowa, did you actually SEE any games from up there, or did you watch the highlights on ESPN????

Never understood that saying...you most certainly can teach speed. It's called speed training.

LMFAO!!!!! Speed training????? That is your response???? Let me ask you this, have you ever seen a college recruit run let's say a 4.8 and then through "speed training" when he gets in the NFL he runs a 4.3?????

One more time....

Wow.

Yeah. I watched them all. I realize Ginn wasn't the punt returner. That's exactly my point...he's not good enough to do it and too much a reliability.

You're not born running a 4.3
You train. It's taught. It's learned. Thus, speed can be coached.

You can actually increase your speed greatly with good running technique and posture...

Well I personally cannot respect individuals who cannot respect differing opinions.

Do we have an ignore posters feature on this site? I need to use it for a minute.

Thanks!

that is rich. pot, meet kettle

Liability.

I rest my case.

Iowa.

You are correct, but you cannot teach elite speed. You either have it or don't, that is something that Ginn possesses. I am not defending his screwups, but I don't think we should just give him away. I think he deserves one more shot.

Your right Senor Knowledgeable, we do know because Tuna/Ireland/Sparano already told us ... they're shopping him.

I'm actually rootin' for ole Teddy because he's a Dolphin & we sure need the help.

Without taking sides the future is clear ... if Teddy doesn't produce more value than some future prospect, "The Turk" will take his roster spot. Tick! Tick! Tick! Sooner?? Later?? That's what's on the minds of Tuna/Ireland/Sparano, just like every coach with every player.

You can't actually teach speed. You can make a guy run a 4.4 instead of a 4.5 but the difference is so minor that it doesn't matter.

Ginn had so many chances to make plays but he hasn't. If you think that he can still stretch the field is beyond belief. Okay, he has speed, but, if everyone knows that he can't catch then why even cover him? Ginn is expendable and I wish that everyone would stop making so much of his speed because at the end of the day he only uses it to head out of bounds.

And when you look up hallphin in the dictionary, here is what it reads:

hallphin:

1. individual who brings nothing to the forums and only posts when he feels the need to take potshots at other posters
2. a waste of time
3. officiall ignored

Agree here. You cannot teach elite speed. Anquan Boldin will never run a 4.3. Neither will Brandon Marshall for that matter.

I think the factors we all should look at are value over anything else...

Ginn will not reap great value, certainly not as great as a Camarillo or Bess...

I think right now Camarillo is the hotest WR for trade bait, he has huge potential, and a decent contract that most teams would welcome.
Bess is in his final contract year, so teams would want some ind of extension from him. I also see us wanting more for him..

Personally if you asked me who the WR's should be I would say Hartline - Bess - Camarillo based on what they have proven up to this point, Ginn is # 5 easy. The biggest factor of this all is how our coaches do things..

Hartline - WR, Special teams
Ginn - WR, Special temas
Bess - WR, Special teams
Camarillo - WR


So it seems Camarillo is the odd man out... Gona hate watching him turn into the next Welker on another team....

That I can agree with.

And that is EXACLTY my point. You can't teach ELITE speed, and Ginn has it. You don't get rid of that, you find ways to use it.

I and the Dolphins front office beg to differ. It doesn't matter how fast you are. If you can't catch and are more afraid of the football than you are getting hit, go elsewhere.

I agree Jim but, how many ways haven't we tried in the last 3 years? I liked Ginn but he certainly didn't help his case to stay in Miami. Maybe he just didn't wanna play here.

Rich,

And how is that different from you. never mind, you dont get it.

Odin says otherwise. You're right though. The upper management should have givin him one last shot.

I wouldn't be to sure of that....I'm sorry but a guy that had 50 catches and no drops shouldn't be the odd man out!. there will be a roster spot for him

Considering Ginn was traded, I don't think that scenario applies any more.
Marshall, Camarillo, Bess, Hartline, White, Rookie/Grice-Mullen

That'll more than likely be your receiving corps next year.