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The Dolphins aren't ruling out signing free agent John Abraham, but haven't "pursued him recently after initial conversations."
That suggests Abraham will be a stronger possibility in South Florida if/when his price comes down. The Dolphins desperately need a weak-side edge rusher to book end Cameron Wake. Jared Odrick was miscast at right end last season.


I'm on record as saying "I love me some John Abraham"


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I think it depends on who we draft. Several of the 'experts' are thinking that DE Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah may fall to us, and the Dolphins may really be interested in him.

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Overall Football Traits
Production 3
2010: (6/0)  3-0-0 2011: (12/0) - 7-3-02012: (13/9)  62-13-4.5

Height-Weight-Speed 1
Exceptional blend of size and speed. Is naturally well-proportioned and displays outstanding agility and burst. One of only two DL at 270-plus pounds to run a sub-4.65 40-yard dash at the combine. Also has long arms (35.1) and big hands (10.2). Also had fastest short shuttle (4.26) and tied for fifth-best vertical jump (34.5).

Durability 1
No durability issues to our knowledge.

Intangibles 2
Over-aged prospect; turns 24 on May 29, 1989. Born in Accra, Ghana. Parents are Edward and Elizabeth. Speaks Twi and Fante, two local Ghanaian dialects. Enrolled at BYU in 2008 and was on track team in 2009 before joining football team in 2010. Had never seen a football game on television prior to leaving Ghana for the United States.

1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal


Defensive End Specific Traits

Pass Rush Skills 1
Highly disruptive pass rusher and he's just scratching the surface. Displays a quick first step. Explosive upper body power. Has made huge strides transferring speed to power as a rusher. During second half of 2012, he's consistently standing linemen up, locating ball, shedding block and pursuing QB with reckless abandon and exceptional closing burst for his size. Has enough speed and natural torso flexibility to threaten with speed-to-power moves off the edge but more consistently productive rushing the passer from inside (5-technique). Still can become more efficient with hands and do a better job of setting up blockers. Can occasionally be undisciplined with rush lanes. But shows surprisingly good instincts as a pass rusher. Will frequently spin out of trouble and almost always in the direction of the quarterback. Batted down nine passes in 2012 and has long arms and tall frame to continue to improve in that area.

Versus the run 2
Has a tendency to let pads rise and can get pushed around when he does. Can get rag-dolled on some double teams. When he stays low and gets his hands inside, he can do a solid job of holding the point initially. Still can improve lower body strength and play with more consistent leverage. Gets knocked off feet too often (not as much as earlier in career but still a bit too often). However, he has an explosive combination of initial quickness and power off the ball. Displays ability to strike with powerful initial punch and press the OL backwards. Has violent hands and can shed quickly. Shows ability to locate ball, change directions quickly and pursue ball carrier with exceptional closing burst for size. Pursuit angles are much improved. Is making big strides with gap discipline. Can be flat out nasty as a hitter. Explosive striker.

Versatility 1
Rare traits to play multiple positions in multiple schemes. Has enormous potential in this area but might need singular focus early in career due to limited football background. Have seen him play NT, DT, DE and OLB all in the same game. Has also been a difference maker on special teams (2011 tape is highly impressive).

Instincts/Motor 1
Plays hard. Bounces back up if he gets knocked off his feet, and will fight to get back in play. Effort is outstanding. Played with a noticeable edge during second half of 2012. Much more confident than earlier in career and it shows in his on-field demeanor.

1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal


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Post Re: John Abraham
I want to see more Olivier Vernon... I liked what I saw last year.


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I don't see how there is any way Ziggy gets past Cleveland at 6


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I don't see how there is any way Ziggy gets past Cleveland at 6


A player falls every year my man... any one of them could be that guy.


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I don't see how there is any way Ziggy gets past Cleveland at 6


A player falls every year my man... any one of them could be that guy.


ya but not players with tons of buzz that actually ascended from mid-first round grade to top 5 grade.
Players do indeed fall....and some are falling now. Bjoern Werner is the descending pass rusher we could get, but not Ansah. Teams in the top 8 love him. He's a real possibility for Jacksonville at 2 and the Lions at #5.


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I don't see how there is any way Ziggy gets past Cleveland at 6


A player falls every year my man... any one of them could be that guy.


Yep. He's 24 and still raw, but he has tremendous upside. Teams may let him fall.

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Yep. He's 24 and still raw, but he has tremendous upside. Teams may let him fall.


That right there is why he will fall. He's one of the older players in the draft, and he's still a raw talent. A lot of teams aren't going to want to spend two or three years developing a guy who is already older than their other rookies. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were still there when we pick at 12 (if we stay at that spot).

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It took Cameron Wake a few years to materialize into an NFL force, only this time some team will recognize this kids talent right away. Upside is tremendous.


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I want to see more Olivier Vernon... I liked what I saw last year.


Everyone does...But you still need another.

Vernon needs more playing time Odrick needs to move inside and Wake needs less plays to stay fresh..Which he wasn't last year


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Yep. He's 24 and still raw, but he has tremendous upside. Teams may let him fall.


That right there is why he will fall. He's one of the older players in the draft, and he's still a raw talent. A lot of teams aren't going to want to spend two or three years developing a guy who is already older than their other rookies. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were still there when we pick at 12 (if we stay at that spot).


I see a few guys falling because the mocks are not accounting for the qb's that will be taken...imo


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I like Vernon, just not sure he is that speed burst type of pass rusher & I think the Dolphins need another really good edge rusher.


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Whether Olivier Vernon comes along or not, we need another pass rusher so we can cycle through and keep everyone fresh and healthy

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I see a few guys falling because the mocks are not accounting for the qb's that will be taken...imo.


Quarterbacks have had a lot of success coming out of the draft the past couple of years. Some of these quarterback starved teams are going to take a chance and overdraft Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, E.J. Manuel, and Mike Glennon in the first round. Glennon has a strong and accurate arm and he's nearly 6'7", but a lot of mocks have him going early in the 2nd round. He's the 4th rated QB in this class. He had streaks of being really good at NCSU, but my personal feelings are that he lacks that leadership to win. I will admit that he did pretty decently behind a below average offensive line, but he reminds me of Henne.

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Quarterbacks have had a lot of success coming out of the draft the past couple of years. Some of these quarterback starved teams are going to take a chance and overdraft Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, E.J. Manuel, and Mike Glennon in the first round. Glennon has a strong and accurate arm and he's nearly 6'7", but a lot of mocks have him going early in the 2nd round. He's the 4th rated QB in this class. He had streaks of being really good at NCSU, but my personal feelings are that he lacks that leadership to win. I will admit that he did pretty decently behind a below average offensive line, but he reminds me of Henne.


Name me a 6'7" QB who's been successful in the NFL. I guarantee you that the list is pretty short. For me personally, I have Smith, Barkley, Manuel, and Jones ranked ahead of Glennon. I might even put Wilson and Nassib ahead of him. I've just never been impressed with Glennon.

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Post Re: John Abraham
Jacksonville has done a good job of not letting their intentions being known, and they could go in MANY directions because they need it all, possibly QB as well. Dion Jordan has been mocked to them for a while though.

That said, I now expect the Lions to draft OL. Yeah, they lost both DE's, but they also lost both OT and they have major money in Matthew Stafford.

Dee Milliner has been mocked to Cleveland for the longest, and unfortunately there is a some steam gaining for Tavon Austin to the Jets.

Don't know if Ansah get's to #12, but he may get close.

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I see a few guys falling because the mocks are not accounting for the qb's that will be taken...imo.


Completely agree. I cannot imagine any scenario where at least 1 QB is not taken ahead of the #12 pick. I can envision scenarios where more than 1 QB is taken before #12


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Kev1321 wrote:
I see a few guys falling because the mocks are not accounting for the qb's that will be taken...imo.


Completely agree. I cannot imagine any scenario where at least 1 QB is not taken ahead of the #12 pick. I can envision scenarios where more than 1 QB is taken before #12


There are quite a few teams who need them, but I wouldn't take any of these QB's in the top 12.

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it looks like it's just gonna be Geno going in the top 10.
Word is that EJ Manuel will be the 2nd QB taken. Some team will trade into the back end of round 1 for him.


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He'll be taken in the top 10, but in a normal draft class he wouldn't be.

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Name me a 6'7" QB who's been successful in the NFL. I guarantee you that the list is pretty short. For me personally, I have Smith, Barkley, Manuel, and Jones ranked ahead of Glennon. I might even put Wilson and Nassib ahead of him. I've just never been impressed with Glennon.

Name me a 6'7" QB who have ever attempted to be in the NFL? I guarantee you that the list is pretty short.


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it looks like it's just gonna be Geno going in the top 10.
Word is that EJ Manuel will be the 2nd QB taken. Some team will trade into the back end of round 1 for him.


I think Geno is going to be a good quarterback in the league. Maybe the only good quarterback this year in the draft. Maybe Matt Barkley, too. He has a great mental makeup and throws very good short to medium throws. Glennon has the eye candy in height and arm strength, can handle pressure, but I never saw that fiery leadership that Rivers and Wilson had an NCSU. And I definitely don't see what some people like about EJ Manuel. Aside from the Clemson game, I didn't think he played well against good competition.

So, I just see maybe 2 being drafted in the top 15. Hopefully we'll see two in the top 10. Did anyone think Christian Ponder would be drafted at 12 a couple years ago?

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neither Locker or Ponder should have been taken that high that year. I think maybe teams have learned from that draft.

These quarterbacks are all incomplete projects. I have a feeling Nassib and Wilson could end up being the best of the bunch, which isn't saying much. Glennon is a complete statue with a big arm.
Barkley looks like the typical USC quarterback. From what I've read Manuel has the most upside.
Lots of teams are liking Matt Scott and Manuel for the Pistol offenses.

Almost all of these guys are backup level guys.
So glad we reached on Tannehill last year. Was the best possible decision.


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The Dolphins have "high hopes" for second-year LB Josh Kaddu as a pass-rush specialist.
Kaddu played only 11 defensive snaps as a rookie, but the fifth-rounder out of Oregon was praised as a practice player by coach Joe Philbin. As a strong-side 'backer in college, Kaddu registered 9.5 tackles for loss and 6.5 sacks as a senior. He'll compete for playing time with Olivier Vernon opposite Cam Wake.


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Name me a 6'7" QB who have ever attempted to be in the NFL? I guarantee you that the list is pretty short.


Exactly my point. Guys that tall don't make it in the NFL at this position. Brock Osweiler, Dan McGuire, Sonny Gibbs, Frank Patrick. That's the list.

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Brock Osweiler is the one that could still develop playing behind Peyton Manning and learning from one of the best.


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I'm not sure I see Osweiler ever making something of himself.

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I'm not sure I see Osweiler ever making something of himself.

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That's true, but I wasn't all that high on him coming out of Arizona State either.

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it looks like it's just gonna be Geno going in the top 10.
Word is that EJ Manuel will be the 2nd QB taken. Some team will trade into the back end of round 1 for him.

That would be a joke.

Manuel isn't even draftable, IMO.


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Exactly my point. Guys that tall don't make it in the NFL at this position. Brock Osweiler, Dan McGuire, Sonny Gibbs, Frank Patrick. That's the list.

Is it because those names just do not have the skill or because they are 6'7" is the question.


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it looks like it's just gonna be Geno going in the top 10.
Word is that EJ Manuel will be the 2nd QB taken. Some team will trade into the back end of round 1 for him.

That would be a joke.

Manuel isn't even draftable, IMO.



he's not even draftable?
In a league turning so much to the pistol offense and read option.


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Manuel is more than just an athlete playing the QB position. He can throw the ball pretty well and for my money actually is the second or third QB prospect in this draft.

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Manuel is more than just an athlete playing the QB position. He can throw the ball pretty well and for my money actually is the second or third QB prospect in this draft.


That's pretty much what Mike Mayock said too.


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I want to see more Olivier Vernon... I liked what I saw last year.


I agree, I think Vernon is the future at DE opposite Wake, he just needs more experience and playing time. I think if we give the kid the majority of the playing time this season he'll easily double his production this year.

If the Dolphins want another DE, I hope they look for one in the middle rounds, similar to when they picked up Vernon last year.

Brandon Jenkins from FSU is a guy who I think similar to Vernon will fall in the draft (obviously for different reasons) and present a real value for somebody in the middle rounds. I'm personally hoping Miami takes a look at the kid if he's still there in the 4th round.


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If the Dolphins want another DE, I hope they look for one in the middle rounds, similar to when they picked up Vernon last year.


I would like to see them give a look at Margus Hunt if they want to draft a DE in the middle rounds. He should be there in the 4th or 5th according to projections, though I think he's more of a third round talent

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In a league turning so much to the pistol offense and read option.

The pistol will die just like the wildcat.


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In a league turning so much to the pistol offense and read option.

The pistol will die just like the wildcat.


Exactly. The pistol is used as a compliment...not as the foundation.

I exaggerated. But I wouldn't take him before the 4th round. He's a disaster on tape.


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wkloiber13 wrote:
If the Dolphins want another DE, I hope they look for one in the middle rounds, similar to when they picked up Vernon last year.


I would like to see them give a look at Margus Hunt if they want to draft a DE in the middle rounds. He should be there in the 4th or 5th according to projections, though I think he's more of a third round talent

Hunt's being talked about as a possible late 1st round pick. And definitely the top of the 2nd round.


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In a league turning so much to the pistol offense and read option.

The pistol will die just like the wildcat.


Doesn't mean he's undraftable


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