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Post Myth debunked: Free agents don’t want to come to the Dolphin
I think we knew this was a bunch of bunk. And Ireland has done a good job the past couple of years.

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Free agents don’t want to come to the Dolphins. How many times was this repeated by people who had nothing more insightful to say? Other than Peyton Manning, it was never about what the Dolphins had. It was about the money for the players and the job responsibility in the case of Jeff Fisher (he wanted final say in personnel). Players always want to come to the Dolphins - if the money is right.


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Who listens to Ryan CLark a guy who does anything to get on tv? Fisher wanted complete control here, Harbaugh never wanted to leave the west coast, Peyton wanted to be under a former NFL player who's now in charge and the rest of the guys were all about money simple as that


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Who listens to Ryan CLark a guy who does anything to get on tv? Fisher wanted complete control here, Harbaugh never wanted to leave the west coast, Peyton wanted to be under a former NFL player who's now in charge and the rest of the guys were all about money simple as that


A LOT of people have been saying it. It's always been a load of crap.
One or two more signings and the draft and we will have the most solid team we've had in.....I don't even know how many years.


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Who listens to Ryan CLark a guy who does anything to get on tv? Fisher wanted complete control here, Harbaugh never wanted to leave the west coast, Peyton wanted to be under a former NFL player who's now in charge and the rest of the guys were all about money simple as that


A LOT of people have been saying it. It's always been a load of crap.
One or two more signings and the draft and we will have the most solid team we've had in.....I don't even know how many years.

Ryan Clark started it though a couple years ago with his comments which always pissed me off because this guy goes on tv too much just talking or just wanting to be an attention whore


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Ryan Clark started it though a couple years ago with his comments which always pissed me off because this guy goes on tv too much just talking or just wanting to be an attention whore


Yup it started with him when he used us to get more money out of Pitt, and then our former LB Crowder is another one who appears to have retired just so he can stay in Fl and talk trash about Ireland on AM radio....

Pat Kirwan said on his show yesterday that the moves Ireland is making are great for the future of this team, and he assumes that Ireland was given the green light from Ross to do whatever he needs to do.

More or less this is now Irelands team, and the moves we are seeing are all him. No coach with power in personnel (Sparano 2011) no VP that has final say (08 -10) its just Ireland, with the coaches he hired building a team with the same vision and goal...

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The whole perspective of the team changes when you have a qb.

Something we haven't had in some time.,


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When you listen to what players and experts are saying around the country, the overwhelming sentiment is that we're trending upward and closing the gap on New England. When players see a team headed in the right direction, and the staff is preaching the right things, players will follow.


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When you listen to what players and experts are saying around the country, the overwhelming sentiment is that we're trending upward and closing the gap on New England. When players see a team headed in the right direction, and the staff is preaching the right things, players will follow.



Well said.

Someone needs to stick a microphone in front of Ryan Clark's face and ask him if he likes apples!!


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Dolphins have never. NEVER! had a problem getting free agents to sign here.


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If you remember, I never once said that anything so stupid last year. the biggest joke was when the media started with Matt Flynn last year and how screwed up on him. lol Ditto with Orton a few years back.


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Philbin is respected and he is changing the entire identity of the Dolphins. You could see the beginnings of it during Hard Knocks last year. I bet he will be even more successfull installing his philosophy this year without all the nosy cameras. The Dolphins will be one of the teams a FA really wants to sign with.

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The thing that really pissed me off was the media harping about the Dolphins missing out on Manning as proof. If I remember right, a bunch of other teams missed on that one including the Titans who pretty much offered Manning to kitchen sink to sign with them.


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The thing that really pissed me off was the media harping about the Dolphins missing out on Manning as proof. If I remember right, a bunch of other teams missed on that one including the Titans who pretty much offered Manning to kitchen sink to sign with them.


The words "swing and a miss" were often used with the Dolphins, which was a complete joke.

If you want "swing and a miss" take a look in New Jersey. They couldn't get Manning to even come for an interview. Then to keep their crappy QB happy, they gave him a contract extension and more guaranteed money. Now, one year later, he isn't even going to be their starting QB.

Talk about "swing and a miss."


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Not only does Ryan Clark have to eat his own words, but the guy who made his statement inadequate was his own teammate!!!

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Well, of course I'd want to go to a franchise that looks to be in complete disarray.
--said no one ever.

Remember that the "catches" of last year's free agency were David Garrard, Legedu Naanee, and Chad Johnson. So yeah, last year NOBODY wanted to come to Miami. And at the end of the preseason, the team looked like it would go winless. I say Clark's comments should be seen in context and that either Gingers**t had a come-to-Jesus moment or knows that his job is on the hot seat, so he better make nice. The only thing that changed was Tannehill showing, well, something. I mean, he is still technically at the bottom of his QB class, along with Brandon Weeden. This coming season, with Mike Wallace and Dustin Keller, he has no excuses. If he craps the bed this coming season, everyone's gone, and new QB drafted in 2014.


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He who has the cap space should sign the most players & win in March. Look , it is true Players chase the money in free agency. They seem to forget the business side of the game , forget their is a salary cap & then feel disrespected by their former team when that team cannot offer them the huge payday. What they seem to forget is that their former team is usually a solid team that had success with quality players & depth at positions which contributed to the player who is now a free agent success. This is why the successful teams are usually never big players in free agents. Big players meaning they do not go & sign guys in the first few hours or days of free agency. They cannot overpay & make that splash & in reality do not have to because they are not desperate. They sign second & third tier guys on the later days of free agency plugging holes with decent guys , replacing the big names that they have lost who have went to teams who have not won anything in many years. Those are the teams who have to make the splash while the successful team (Giants , Steelers , Patriots , Packers to name a few) remain competitive despite their free agency losses because they are well run with quality guys in the front office. AS Dolphin fans we knew the splash had to be made. We knew the cap space , we knew the talk from last season, we know the GM is on the hot seat , we know the owner is begging for public funding. Had they stood pat the outcry would have been deafening & instead of a plane flying around wanting Irelands firing the message would have been on the Goodyear blimp. Now we have reason to be excited , we were as active as we all wanted to be. There are no more excuses. Having a second year coach with so many new players that it is hard to find chemistry so soon will not cut it. If this is what we had to do to end the Patriots dominance of a dozen (how pathetic) years so be it. This is our shot & if it fails the decision to sign Culpepper over Brees will seem like a pebble in a Boulder pit. But please remember alot of this does come from desperation. I am happy we made this splash in free agency because as a fan who believes you build thru the draft I do not believe in the guy doing the drafting but when you give that guy millions & millions to spend , they will come. You see everyones money spends the same. If players really wanted to go to a competitor more of them would stay put. Instead they go to a team who is desperate , has done nothing in years & chase the money. I am sure Albert Haynesworth has no regrets. If guys like Mike Wallace & Mario Williams do not win either they will have no regrets as well.

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He who has the cap space should sign the most players & win in March. Look , it is true Players chase the money in free agency. They seem to forget the business side of the game , forget their is a salary cap & then feel disrespected by their former team when that team cannot offer them the huge payday. What they seem to forget is that their former team is usually a solid team that had success with quality players & depth at positions which contributed to the player who is now a free agent success. This is why the successful teams are usually never big players in free agents. Big players meaning they do not go & sign guys in the first few hours or days of free agency. They cannot overpay & make that splash & in reality do not have to because they are not desperate. They sign second & third tier guys on the later days of free agency plugging holes with decent guys , replacing the big names that they have lost who have went to teams who have not won anything in many years. Those are the teams who have to make the splash while the successful team (Giants , Steelers , Patriots , Packers to name a few) remain competitive despite their free agency losses because they are well run with quality guys in the front office. AS Dolphin fans we knew the splash had to be made. We knew the cap space , we knew the talk from last season, we know the GM is on the hot seat , we know the owner is begging for public funding. Had they stood pat the outcry would have been deafening & instead of a plane flying around wanting Irelands firing the message would have been on the Goodyear blimp. Now we have reason to be excited , we were as active as we all wanted to be. There are no more excuses. Having a second year coach with so many new players that it is hard to find chemistry so soon will not cut it. If this is what we had to do to end the Patriots dominance of a dozen (how pathetic) years so be it. This is our shot & if it fails the decision to sign Culpepper over Brees will seem like a pebble in a Boulder pit. But please remember alot of this does come from desperation. I am happy we made this splash in free agency because as a fan who believes you build thru the draft I do not believe in the guy doing the drafting but when you give that guy millions & millions to spend , they will come. You see everyones money spends the same. If players really wanted to go to a competitor more of them would stay put. Instead they go to a team who is desperate , has done nothing in years & chase the money. I am sure Albert Haynesworth has no regrets. If guys like Mike Wallace & Mario Williams do not win either they will have no regrets as well.


You make some extremely valid points but the difference between Jeff Ireland and Dan Snyder/Jerry Jones is this: Ireland spent money on younger players with promising upside and/or have a few good years ahead of them. The other two guys spent a boatload of money on aging vets whose best years were behind them.

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You make some extremely valid points but the difference between Jeff Ireland and Dan Snyder/Jerry Jones is this: Ireland spent money on younger players with promising upside and/or have a few good years ahead of them. The other two guys spent a boatload of money on aging vets whose best years were behind them.


Well we will see what plays out. The Eagles however come to mind and Jones in Dallas did not really go old. Snyder however was pretty dumb when he broke in. Now he seems to have changed for the better but it hinges on RG3. But the point is to realize how long a team has sucked for. Eventually it will come to a head as it did here & the result is what we are seeing now. Once again I hope it works , although if it doesnt the excuses by some here will be intriguing.

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He who has the cap space should sign the most players & win in March. Look , it is true Players chase the money in free agency. They seem to forget the business side of the game , forget their is a salary cap & then feel disrespected by their former team when that team cannot offer them the huge payday. What they seem to forget is that their former team is usually a solid team that had success with quality players & depth at positions which contributed to the player who is now a free agent success. This is why the successful teams are usually never big players in free agents. Big players meaning they do not go & sign guys in the first few hours or days of free agency. They cannot overpay & make that splash & in reality do not have to because they are not desperate. They sign second & third tier guys on the later days of free agency plugging holes with decent guys , replacing the big names that they have lost who have went to teams who have not won anything in many years. Those are the teams who have to make the splash while the successful team (Giants , Steelers , Patriots , Packers to name a few) remain competitive despite their free agency losses because they are well run with quality guys in the front office. AS Dolphin fans we knew the splash had to be made. We knew the cap space , we knew the talk from last season, we know the GM is on the hot seat , we know the owner is begging for public funding. Had they stood pat the outcry would have been deafening & instead of a plane flying around wanting Irelands firing the message would have been on the Goodyear blimp. Now we have reason to be excited , we were as active as we all wanted to be. There are no more excuses. Having a second year coach with so many new players that it is hard to find chemistry so soon will not cut it. If this is what we had to do to end the Patriots dominance of a dozen (how pathetic) years so be it. This is our shot & if it fails the decision to sign Culpepper over Brees will seem like a pebble in a Boulder pit. But please remember alot of this does come from desperation. I am happy we made this splash in free agency because as a fan who believes you build thru the draft I do not believe in the guy doing the drafting but when you give that guy millions & millions to spend , they will come. You see everyones money spends the same. If players really wanted to go to a competitor more of them would stay put. Instead they go to a team who is desperate , has done nothing in years & chase the money. I am sure Albert Haynesworth has no regrets. If guys like Mike Wallace & Mario Williams do not win either they will have no regrets as well.


^^^^^^^This. Exactly what I said.


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He who has the cap space should sign the most players & win in March. Look , it is true Players chase the money in free agency. They seem to forget the business side of the game , forget their is a salary cap & then feel disrespected by their former team when that team cannot offer them the huge payday. What they seem to forget is that their former team is usually a solid team that had success with quality players & depth at positions which contributed to the player who is now a free agent success. This is why the successful teams are usually never big players in free agents. Big players meaning they do not go & sign guys in the first few hours or days of free agency. They cannot overpay & make that splash & in reality do not have to because they are not desperate. They sign second & third tier guys on the later days of free agency plugging holes with decent guys , replacing the big names that they have lost who have went to teams who have not won anything in many years. Those are the teams who have to make the splash while the successful team (Giants , Steelers , Patriots , Packers to name a few) remain competitive despite their free agency losses because they are well run with quality guys in the front office. AS Dolphin fans we knew the splash had to be made. We knew the cap space , we knew the talk from last season, we know the GM is on the hot seat , we know the owner is begging for public funding. Had they stood pat the outcry would have been deafening & instead of a plane flying around wanting Irelands firing the message would have been on the Goodyear blimp. Now we have reason to be excited , we were as active as we all wanted to be. There are no more excuses. Having a second year coach with so many new players that it is hard to find chemistry so soon will not cut it. If this is what we had to do to end the Patriots dominance of a dozen (how pathetic) years so be it. This is our shot & if it fails the decision to sign Culpepper over Brees will seem like a pebble in a Boulder pit. But please remember alot of this does come from desperation. I am happy we made this splash in free agency because as a fan who believes you build thru the draft I do not believe in the guy doing the drafting but when you give that guy millions & millions to spend , they will come. You see everyones money spends the same. If players really wanted to go to a competitor more of them would stay put. Instead they go to a team who is desperate , has done nothing in years & chase the money. I am sure Albert Haynesworth has no regrets. If guys like Mike Wallace & Mario Williams do not win either they will have no regrets as well.



So what you are really trying to say is that you hope that this is the year that the curse of Don and Dan (pushing them out of the door before they were ready) has been lifted?


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^^^^^^^This. Exactly what I said.

Thank you for that Devil , from one who sometimes is the devil himself around here.

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So what you are really trying to say is that you hope that this is the year that the curse of Don and Dan (pushing them out of the door before they were ready) has been lifted?

Well Aqnor , I just want to win .... after all these years of not if this is how we have to do it so be it. i wish we could say we did it thru the draft but I guess that is being to old school.
But since you bring up Dan & Don ... certainly Marino was pushed by the JJ & DW era. I still have that SI cover of Marino & JJ on it. They are embracing & the title was "The Sunshine Boys". I always said if you look closely at the picture those guys hated each other. The body language was as bad as when they had the press conference extending Sparano & he had to sit there with Ross & Ireland after they tried to replace him with Harbaugh.
As for Shula , I always said he was fired & will always believe that. I know some cannot fathom that idea that this franchise would do that to him but I believe it did. You see there are some things you just dont do & you cannot make them better with a bronze statue or a street named after you.

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He who has the cap space should sign the most players & win in March. Look , it is true Players chase the money in free agency. They seem to forget the business side of the game , forget their is a salary cap & then feel disrespected by their former team when that team cannot offer them the huge payday. What they seem to forget is that their former team is usually a solid team that had success with quality players & depth at positions which contributed to the player who is now a free agent success. This is why the successful teams are usually never big players in free agents. Big players meaning they do not go & sign guys in the first few hours or days of free agency. They cannot overpay & make that splash & in reality do not have to because they are not desperate. They sign second & third tier guys on the later days of free agency plugging holes with decent guys , replacing the big names that they have lost who have went to teams who have not won anything in many years. Those are the teams who have to make the splash while the successful team (Giants , Steelers , Patriots , Packers to name a few) remain competitive despite their free agency losses because they are well run with quality guys in the front office. AS Dolphin fans we knew the splash had to be made. We knew the cap space , we knew the talk from last season, we know the GM is on the hot seat , we know the owner is begging for public funding. Had they stood pat the outcry would have been deafening & instead of a plane flying around wanting Irelands firing the message would have been on the Goodyear blimp. Now we have reason to be excited , we were as active as we all wanted to be. There are no more excuses. Having a second year coach with so many new players that it is hard to find chemistry so soon will not cut it. If this is what we had to do to end the Patriots dominance of a dozen (how pathetic) years so be it. This is our shot & if it fails the decision to sign Culpepper over Brees will seem like a pebble in a Boulder pit. But please remember alot of this does come from desperation. I am happy we made this splash in free agency because as a fan who believes you build thru the draft I do not believe in the guy doing the drafting but when you give that guy millions & millions to spend , they will come. You see everyones money spends the same. If players really wanted to go to a competitor more of them would stay put. Instead they go to a team who is desperate , has done nothing in years & chase the money. I am sure Albert Haynesworth has no regrets. If guys like Mike Wallace & Mario Williams do not win either they will have no regrets as well.


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Remember that the "catches" of last year's free agency were David Garrard, Legedu Naanee, and Chad Johnson. So yeah, last year NOBODY wanted to come to Miami.


Other than Peyton Manning, who exactly did the Dolphins try for and miss out on?
I just ask because I wonder who does "NOBODY" refer to?


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FINesse wrote:
He who has the cap space should sign the most players & win in March. Look , it is true Players chase the money in free agency. They seem to forget the business side of the game , forget their is a salary cap & then feel disrespected by their former team when that team cannot offer them the huge payday. What they seem to forget is that their former team is usually a solid team that had success with quality players & depth at positions which contributed to the player who is now a free agent success. This is why the successful teams are usually never big players in free agents. Big players meaning they do not go & sign guys in the first few hours or days of free agency. They cannot overpay & make that splash & in reality do not have to because they are not desperate. They sign second & third tier guys on the later days of free agency plugging holes with decent guys , replacing the big names that they have lost who have went to teams who have not won anything in many years. Those are the teams who have to make the splash while the successful team (Giants , Steelers , Patriots , Packers to name a few) remain competitive despite their free agency losses because they are well run with quality guys in the front office. AS Dolphin fans we knew the splash had to be made. We knew the cap space , we knew the talk from last season, we know the GM is on the hot seat , we know the owner is begging for public funding. Had they stood pat the outcry would have been deafening & instead of a plane flying around wanting Irelands firing the message would have been on the Goodyear blimp. Now we have reason to be excited , we were as active as we all wanted to be. There are no more excuses. Having a second year coach with so many new players that it is hard to find chemistry so soon will not cut it. If this is what we had to do to end the Patriots dominance of a dozen (how pathetic) years so be it. This is our shot & if it fails the decision to sign Culpepper over Brees will seem like a pebble in a Boulder pit. But please remember alot of this does come from desperation. I am happy we made this splash in free agency because as a fan who believes you build thru the draft I do not believe in the guy doing the drafting but when you give that guy millions & millions to spend , they will come. You see everyones money spends the same. If players really wanted to go to a competitor more of them would stay put. Instead they go to a team who is desperate , has done nothing in years & chase the money. I am sure Albert Haynesworth has no regrets. If guys like Mike Wallace & Mario Williams do not win either they will have no regrets as well.


I can't read this without paragraphs.
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