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Cheating again eh? Typical.

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I'm so sick of this dirty team. If they cheated again it proves what a crock of crap it was that Belicheat was not banned from the NFL after getting caught the last time. Because the Patriots make the NFL so much money they pussed out with a crappy fine. The NFL has become a crony plutocratic monster that puts money before doing the right thing.
Pete Rose was properly banned for doing something equally bad. But the NFL does not give a crap about saving their image. Only TV ratings and money. Screw the NFL.


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Does the home team provide the game balls?

You would think the players themselves could tell by the feel that the ball was under-inflated.

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Both teams played using the same balls, and they are inspected by the officials prior to kickoff. I am not sure there was an advantage for the Patriots here...

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Both teams played using the same balls, and they are inspected by the officials prior to kickoff. I am not sure there was an advantage for the Patriots here...


Actually, each team uses their own balls.

Don't think it made a difference, but they did cheat.


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So Rich. You are saying that if the Patriots went into the game with the advantage of knowing ahead of time that they would deflate the ball and perhaps design a game plan with this information.......they would not have an advantage over the non scumbag team ( visitors)? I guess you never heard that just thinking you have an advantage can be a huge confidence and morale booster. It is a mental advantage if the Patriots knew ahead of time. Good generals have known for centuries that if you make your troops think they have an advantage ...they will think they can win.


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Both teams played using the same balls, and they are inspected by the officials prior to kickoff. I am not sure there was an advantage for the Patriots here...


This was my thought too Rich, even if it were the case, which seems highly doubtful, it was still an even playing field since both teams had to use deflated balls, so both teams would have any advantages or disadvantages that comes with that.

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So you also deny that it's a mental advantage to know ahead of time that your team would get a deflated ball but the Colts did not know and thus not realize the advantage and profit from it?


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This is why you get the conspiracy theory label...

regardless of if the balls were deflated or not, the Patriots man-handled the wannabe Colts... get over it.


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I never once said the Colts were the better team. I'm fine with Pats winning the game. All I'm saying is that its a mental advantage to know ahead of time when your opponent does not. to deny that means you don't believe in any science of how the human mind works.


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Rick wrote:
So you also deny that it's a mental advantage to know ahead of time that your team would get a deflated ball but the Colts did not know and thus not realize the advantage and profit from it?


Well, based on what your saying, they didn't even have to deflate the balls, all they had to do was just tell the team they deflated the balls, because it's just the implied idea that they have some type of advantage.

Then there is the fact that no player from the Colts or any official even noticed that the balls were deflated, after handling them many times, so even if they were deflated, which I highly doubt, it was to such a tiny degree that it could not even be noticed, therefore impossible to gain any real advantage.

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With a 45-7 score, deflated balls or not, the Pats simply destroyed the Colts.


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Actually on that Revis int. I said had that ball been about 1/3 ounce larger it would have been a completion.

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Actually on that Revis int. I said had that ball been about 1/3 ounce larger it would have been a completion.


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Wish Philbin would try cheating

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I read each team uses their own footballs, something I did not know. I believe it's 12 each and sometimes more during bad weather conditions.

So, are the Patriots that good or are the Colts that bad?

Also, you guys need to watch Bill Bellechick, a football life, very interesting seeing all the behind the scenes stuff.

You can clearly gain some insight as to what drives this team.

Too bad the Packers lost the onside kick.

Should be a good Super Bowl, number 6 for Brady and in 9 AFC Championship games,

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Wish Philbin would try cheating


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Since the NFL was considering suspending Marshawn Lynch for shoes why not suspend Belichick for the Superbowl for being a repeat rule breaker?

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The NFL is investigating whether the Patriots used under-inflated balls during their rain-soaked victory.

NFL spokesman Michael Signora told the league's website that officials are looking into the matter ... All game balls must be inflated with 12.5 to 13.5 pounds of air pressure, according to NFL rules.

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The NFL rulebook states that each team must provide 12 balls to the referee for testing before the game. Home teams ultimately are responsible for having the balls available at all times. The rules also state that the offensive team's center can request a "playable ball" in the case of a "wet, muddy or slippery field."

An under-inflated ball could make it easier to throw and catch, especially in the slippery conditions that were present in Sunday's rainy game at Gillette Stadium. ...


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They didn't do it because it didn't help....The NFL will just cover it up anyway..


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Yeah those soft footballs made Blount even harder to tackle.

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Reported that the Pats would lose draft picks. Love the way the NFL comes down hard & makes a statement that this stuff will not be tolerated. Cheat your way into the Super Bowl, then lose a draft pick. No. 32 that is.

If the NFL were truly serious about the integrity of the game, then they would disqualify the Pats from the Super Bowl.

I do not believe it helped the Pats dominate the Colts, but its the message that needs to be sent.


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If the NFL were truly serious about the integrity of the game, then they would disqualify the Pats from the Super Bowl.

I do not believe it helped the Pats dominate the Colts, but its the message that needs to be sent.


It's the repeat offense that makes this that much worse.

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Patriots always tryin to get away with somethin. The refs called them out on those footballs. They might lose draft picks again. Clowns!


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Deflate gate.

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So New England is under investigation for deflating footballs in the AFC Championship. Deflated balls in cold weather give quarterbacks a better grip and receivers better catching and mean kicks go less far. We'll have to see where this goes. Rules are rules.But I'd love for a Colt to suggest the deflated balls were a 38-point advantage.


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Both teams played using the same balls, and they are inspected by the officials prior to kickoff. I am not sure there was an advantage for the Patriots here...


Actually, each team uses their own balls.

Don't think it made a difference, but they did cheat.


Bottom line is given the process, it seems very unlikely the Patriots did this:

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Former NFL official Jim Daopoulos, in an interview with ESPN on Monday morning, explained the process in which footballs are managed. Two hours and 15 minutes before each game, officials inspect 12 footballs from each team and put a mark on them to indicate they meet the proper requirements and are good for usage. Then those footballs are given to the ball attendant.

There also is a second set of six footballs, used specifically for the kicking game, that are marked appropriately and remain in the possession of officials at all times.

"Officials check balls as they go into the game, and if the ball doesn't feel perfect, they can throw it out," Daopoulos said. "There is always the possibility that balls can lose air due to the conditions."


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A few thoughts here, and a little physics.

1. Even if they were deflated, how do you prove that? Not going to happen

2. Those balls are inspected by officials prior to the game

3. Assuming the balls were initially inflated to 12.5-13.5PSI indoors where it was 70° and you move the balls outdoors where there is greater than 40° difference, the pressure will increase or decrease by a percentage. Considering it was )(@*$@#)(* cold outside, the pressure would decrease. So if you had one inflated to the minimum, and take it out, it could drop to 9-10 PSI.

4. Only 1 ball was removed from service. Maybe it was just a bad ball

5. If (and a big if at that) it can be proven that the balls were deflated deliberately for the purposes of giving the Patriots an advantage (that they clearly did not need) then those parties responsible should be "Pete Rose'd" out of Football and the Patriots charged draft picks (multiple), fined and the owner reprimanded (provided the owner is not "in the know")


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So Rich. You are saying that if the Patriots went into the game with the advantage of knowing ahead of time that they would deflate the ball and perhaps design a game plan with this information.......they would not have an advantage over the non scumbag team ( visitors)? I guess you never heard that just thinking you have an advantage can be a huge confidence and morale booster. It is a mental advantage if the Patriots knew ahead of time. Good generals have known for centuries that if you make your troops think they have an advantage ...they will think they can win.


You should probably educate yourself on the quality control process that takes place prior to the game before posting.

I know some people aren't interested in facts before rushing to judgment. That's one of the major problems in our society today.

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A few thoughts here, and a little physics.

1. Even if they were deflated, how do you prove that? Not going to happen

2. Those balls are inspected by officials prior to the game

3. Assuming the balls were initially inflated to 12.5-13.5PSI indoors where it was 70° and you move the balls outdoors where there is greater than 40° difference, the pressure will increase or decrease by a percentage. Considering it was )(@*$@#)(* cold outside, the pressure would decrease. So if you had one inflated to the minimum, and take it out, it could drop to 9-10 PSI.

4. Only 1 ball was removed from service. Maybe it was just a bad ball

5. If (and a big if at that) it can be proven that the balls were deflated deliberately for the purposes of giving the Patriots an advantage (that they clearly did not need) then those parties responsible should be "Pete Rose'd" out of Football and the Patriots charged draft picks (multiple), fined and the owner reprimanded (provided the owner is not "in the know")



Correct. The balls are inspected prior to the game. Here is the process.

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Former NFL official Jim Daopoulos, in an interview with ESPN on Monday morning, explained the process in which footballs are managed. Two hours and 15 minutes before each game, officials inspect 12 footballs from each team and put a mark on them to indicate they meet the proper requirements and are good for usage. Then those footballs are given to the ball attendant.

There also is a second set of six footballs, used specifically for the kicking game, that are marked appropriately and remain in the possession of officials at all times.

"Officials check balls as they go into the game, and if the ball doesn't feel perfect, they can throw it out," Daopoulos said. "There is always the possibility that balls can lose air due to the conditions."



It seems very unlikely that the Patriots would have been able to pull this off without help from the NFL. Elvis is alive and chillin on a beach with Tupac, Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix, man has never walked on the moon and 9/11 was an inside job.

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If you let Gronk score, his balls will deflate!


*That's an NFL regulation football that looks like a soda can in his hand*


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This would be a very short sighted and stupid attempt to try and gain an "advantage", and here's why;

A deflated ball makes it easier to pass and catch, for ALL players, not just Patriots, and since the Colts game plan was to pass all the time. wouldn't it actually be giving them the greater advantage?

Also, seeing as how the Patriots were clearly more interested in running, how does this make any sense whatsoever?

Leaving aside the nearly impossible task of getting to these balls to tamper with them to begin with.

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If you let Gronk score, his balls will deflate!


*That's an NFL regulation football that looks like a soda can in his hand*


LOL. Brady agrees.

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In an interview with the station, Brady talked about how the football deflates when tight end Rob Gronkowski spikes it after scoring a touchdown.

"When Gronk scores -- it was like his eighth touchdown of the year -- he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball. I love that, because I like the deflated ball," Brady said. "But I feel bad for that football because he puts everything he can into those spikes."


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Reported that the Pats would lose draft picks. Love the way the NFL comes down hard & makes a statement that this stuff will not be tolerated. Cheat your way into the Super Bowl, then lose a draft pick. No. 32 that is.

If the NFL were truly serious about the integrity of the game, then they would disqualify the Pats from the Super Bowl.

I do not believe it helped the Pats dominate the Colts, but its the message that needs to be sent.

If they wanted to ensure the integrity of the game, Suh would be flipping burgers next season.


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So Gronk deflates Brady's Balls? :headscratch Who deflated Luck's?


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This would be a very short sighted and stupid attempt to try and gain an "advantage", and here's why;

A deflated ball makes it easier to pass and catch, for ALL players, not just Patriots, and since the Colts game plan was to pass all the time. wouldn't it actually be giving them the greater advantage?

Also, seeing as how the Patriots were clearly more interested in running, how does this make any sense whatsoever?

Leaving aside the nearly impossible task of getting to these balls to tamper with them to begin with.


The Pats called 37 runs to 40 passes (counting 1 sack and 3 Brady runs, unless any of these were QB sneaks). Regardless, a very run heavy attack. 177 yards on the ground.

Maybe deflated balls are harder to strip. If the balls had been properly inflated, the Colts would have forced at least 9 fumbles and won the game 42-3.

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This would be a very short sighted and stupid attempt to try and gain an "advantage", and here's why;

A deflated ball makes it easier to pass and catch, for ALL players, not just Patriots, and since the Colts game plan was to pass all the time. wouldn't it actually be giving them the greater advantage?

Also, seeing as how the Patriots were clearly more interested in running, how does this make any sense whatsoever?

Leaving aside the nearly impossible task of getting to these balls to tamper with them to begin with.


The Pats called 37 runs to 40 passes (counting 1 sack and 3 Brady runs, unless any of these were QB sneaks). Regardless, a very run heavy attack. 177 yards on the ground.

Maybe deflated balls are harder to strip. If the balls had been properly inflated, the Colts would have forced at least 9 fumbles and won the game 42-3.

:haha

I think you've nailed it Rich, those darn Cheatriots!

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