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Kolb wants to start or wants out

Kevin Kolb isn’t one for ultimatums – he handled his demotion this season with class – but the backup quarterback wants out if the Eagles plan on bringing Michael Vick back as their starting quarterback, a source close to the situation said.

Kolb wants to start and whether that’s for the Eagles or not, he will let coach Andy Reid know that during a scheduled Monday meeting. The 26-year-old has been the Eagles' backup for most of four seasons.

Asked what would be a best-case scenario for next season, Kolb said, “To start.”

“I love it here, as everybody knows,” Kolb said after the Eagles’ 21-16 playoff loss to the Packers. “My family’s settled in here. I would love to be starting here. But I want to be starting somewhere.”

Kolb was then asked if could take another season in Philadelphia as the backup.

“I can’t answer that question,” he said.

Kolb is under contract for another season, though. The Eagles gave him a one-year extension and an $11 million bonus last April after they traded away Donovan McNabb and gave him the starting job. But he’s slated to earn only $1.4 million next season, which is a very low sum for a backup.

Vick, however, is not under contract for next season. The Eagles are expected to franchise him if there is a tag in the new collective bargaining agreement as most assume there will be.

The labor situation could tie up any wheeling and dealing between teams which means Kolb could be in no-mans land for a while. The Eagles could ask for as much as two first-round picks in return for the quarterback, although a high-price like that would suggest that they want him back.

“Whatever happens you want to know the answer so you can prepare one way or the other,” Kolb said. “Our communication with be fine. … And I’ll be looking to starting here, hopefully.”

He would be a very good insurance policy should Vick – whose style always leaves him susceptible to injury – get hurt during the season. Even after his benching earlier this season, Kolb was needed when Vick injured his ribs. With him starting in the next three games, the Eagles went 2-1.

But if the Eagles bring him back only to hold a clipboard for an entire season they could risk losing him after the season without getting anything in return. If a team was to offer at least a first-round pick in return – and there are at least a dozen teams in need of a starting quarterback – the Eagles may be willing to make a trade.

“Obviously, there’s a chance for a lot of things,” Kolb said. “So I’ll just wait and just talk to these guys and see what happens.”



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Interesting. The million dollar questions are how much? Is he an upgrade over Henne? His play is inconsistant, but I have to wonder how good he can be being the starter and not coming in cold or preparing for 1 week at the end of the season with backups.


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Interesting. The million dollar questions are how much? Is he an upgrade over Henne? His play is inconsistant, but I have to wonder how good he can be being the starter and not coming in cold or preparing for 1 week at the end of the season with backups.


I think Kolb can be a solid QB, but I am not for giving up (2) 1st round picks for him, and that is what Philadelphia wants.

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I'm not sure how much of an upgrade he is over Henne but he was playing better when he got hurt. Philly is absolutely insane asking that for Kolb and the price come June 1 will drop significantly.


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I still may be all alone on my support of Henne, but I really want to see what he can do with a new OC and not being micromanaged to death. Kevin Kolb has done nothing the NFL and doesn't exactly scream out UPGRADE.


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I still may be all alone on my support of Henne, but I really want to see what he can do with a new OC and not being micromanaged to death. Kevin Kolb has done nothing the NFL and doesn't exactly scream out UPGRADE.


Although you're not alone in support of Henne, you are alone in the Henne and no-one-else club. Most of us have been advocating keeping Henne and bringing in top quality veteran FA's to compete with him. ... ala Kolb, Young or Orton.


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I still may be all alone on my support of Henne, but I really want to see what he can do with a new OC and not being micromanaged to death. Kevin Kolb has done nothing the NFL and doesn't exactly scream out UPGRADE.


Although you're not alone in support of Henne, you are alone in the Henne and no-one-else club. Most of us have been advocating keeping Henne and bringing in top quality veteran FA's to compete with him. ... ala Kolb, Young or Orton.


None of those guys are free agents, and perhaps only one will be. And I wouldn't call Kolb a veteran any more than I would call Henne one. They were drafted a few picks apart in 2008.


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I still may be all alone on my support of Henne, but I really want to see what he can do with a new OC and not being micromanaged to death. Kevin Kolb has done nothing the NFL and doesn't exactly scream out UPGRADE.


Although you're not alone in support of Henne, you are alone in the Henne and no-one-else club. Most of us have been advocating keeping Henne and bringing in top quality veteran FA's to compete with him. ... ala Kolb, Young or Orton.



Oh no, I am not in that club. I agree with competition. I want the best QB to lead our team. I just don't want to give up on Henne without seeing what a GOOD coaching staff gets out of him. If we bring in Orton or Kolb, I am totally fine with that.


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Vick had a great year but Philly would be nuts to get rid of Kolb without having a contingency guy in place. Maybe they trade him and sign Alex Smith (West Coast style QB). If they do something like that I think the best they get is a 2nd rounder for the guy and plenty of teams with high 2nd round picks (ARI, SF, MIN, WAS, CAR, CLE, DEN).

If Miami wants competition for Henne, which they should get, their best bet is either re-sign Thigpen, take a chance on Vince Young, or hope Orton is available for a 3rd rounder.


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None of those guys are free agents, and perhaps only one will be. And I wouldn't call Kolb a veteran any more than I would call Henne one. They were drafted a few picks apart in 2008.


Kolb was drafted in 2007. But I agree that he has not done more than Henne at this point in their careers.


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None of those guys are free agents, and perhaps only one will be. And I wouldn't call Kolb a veteran any more than I would call Henne one. They were drafted a few picks apart in 2008.


Kolb was drafted in 2007. But I agree that he has not done more than Henne at this point in their careers.


Kolb has done nothing to prove he is even starting type of QB... we need a solid vet not another "might be"


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let's calm down there with the "Philly is crazy for wanting that"... the article clearly states that the Eagles COULD ask for 2 first round picks... right now they haven't asked for anything... and I'm sure they're just starting to consider their offseason options.


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I think as teams and DC's get more tape on Vick you're going to see more of what Greenbay did to him the other day. He's still a good QB but Greenbay said beat me with your arm, not your legs and held him to 17 points.


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let's calm down there with the "Philly is crazy for wanting that"... the article clearly states that the Eagles COULD ask for 2 first round picks... right now they haven't asked for anything... and I'm sure they're just starting to consider their offseason options.


I'm not so sure they want to let Kolb go. He's been developed by Reid and Co. for 4 years and they seem to have faith in him. They struck lightning in a bottle this year with Vick but I think there is some concern there with durability.


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I think a 2nd or 3rd rounder is a fair price for him. Anything more than that and Philly is making bank. That being said, I do not think we should give up draft picks to get him. I'd rather see us focus on free agent qbs who can come in and compete with Henne. I'd also like to see us draft some young talent, but I don't want to reach to get it. Although this 'may not' be the year to draft a qb.


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He's not that good.

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Philly wants (2) 1st round picks for Kolb and they are not coming off that. They wanted a lot for Vick, and that is why he is still with Philly when he wanted to be moved.

Philly is one of those type of organization that try to get as much as they can, PERIOD. If they get what they ask for, great. If not, they are perfectly fine with holding on to Kolb.

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Philly wants (2) 1st round picks for Kolb and they are not coming off that. They wanted a lot for Vick, and that is why he is still with Philly when he wanted to be moved.

Philly is one of those type of organization that try to get as much as they can, PERIOD. If they get what they ask for, great. If not, they are perfectly fine with holding on to Kolb.


The Raiders also wanted 2 first round picks for Moss before giving him away for a 4th.

I think the price will come down. I think at the end of the day you can get him for a 2nd.


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You are talking about a dysfunctional organization in the Oakland Raiders. Philly does not work like the Raiders, not anywhere close. Philadelphia is a solid, well run organization.

You need to realize also that Mike Vick is a QB that does run, and Philadelphia OL is terrible. IF Vick get's hurt, then they have a viable back up in Kolb. They have a reason to hold on to Kolb.

SO once again, unless you meet there demands, it would surprise me to see Philly come off there demands, and I have seen Philly work before and they don't come off what they want in a trade to often.

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You are talking about a dysfunctional organization in the Oakland Raiders. Philly does not work like the Raiders, not anywhere close. Philadelphia is a solid, well run organization.

You need to realize also that Mike Vick is a QB that does run, and Philadelphia OL is terrible. IF Vick get's hurt, then they have a viable back up in Kolb. They have a reason to hold on to Kolb.

SO once again, unless you meet there demands, it would surprise me to see Philly come off there demands, and I have seen Philly work before and they don't come off what they want in a trade to often.


He's in a contract year, so, if they want to get anything for him, they're going to have to trade him by draft day.

I definitely don't see anybody giving up 2 first's for Kolb. I think Philly knows they have no chance at getting that type of compensation.

We'll agree to disagree. But I don't see anybody paying up more than a 2nd round pick, nor do I see Philly passing that up if that's the best offer they get.


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Philly wants (2) 1st round picks for Kolb and they are not coming off that. They wanted a lot for Vick, and that is why he is still with Philly when he wanted to be moved.

Philly is one of those type of organization that try to get as much as they can, PERIOD. If they get what they ask for, great. If not, they are perfectly fine with holding on to Kolb.


The Raiders also wanted 2 first round picks for Moss before giving him away for a 4th.

I think the price will come down. I think at the end of the day you can get him for a 2nd.


We don't have a second.

Either way, I'm against giving high picks for unproven commodities.

Didn't we get burned once giving a 2nd rounder to Philly for an unproven QB?

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Either way, I'm against giving high picks for unproven commodities

Isn't that what the draft is about? lol

Didn't we get burned once giving a 2nd rounder to Philly for an unproven QB?

Yep...Feeley, Culpepper, Pat White...dare I say Henne? Kolb is unproven either way, but he can come in here and compete from day one over a rookie 1st rd pick. To me, it depends on what they want for him. No way does someone give up (2) 1st rd picks for Kolb. Look at history with Cassel and Hasslebeck.


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Personally Kolb hasn't proven he's consistent. I wouldn't give more than a 4th for him.


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We do disagree on that for sure Phins.

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Personally Kolb hasn't proven he's consistent. I wouldn't give more than a 4th for him.



So True

anyone remember AJ?

can we please stop giving away the farm for ex eagles who have not even come close to proving themselves..

if we simply got better at not giving away great players .. and picking up crap players whom we think are the next big thing we would rule the world... lol


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Let's get someone that has some size, maybe around 6'5
or has some wheels. The league is changing, the tall guys are dominating the QB position.


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Let's get someone that has some size, maybe around 6'5
or has some wheels. The league is changing, the tall guys are dominating the QB position.


Yeah cuz Drew Brees and Michael Vick are SOO tall.

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swerve13 wrote:
Let's get someone that has some size, maybe around 6'5
or has some wheels. The league is changing, the tall guys are dominating the QB position.


In terms of size, guys like Andrew Walter, Kevin O'Connell (who has both size and speed), Derek Anderson, Jamarcus Russell, etc. have proven it does not equate success.

I'd rather a guy who is able to develop a good pocket presence, anticipation and flows through the pocket to continue the play.

If you want speed then keep Thigpen and bring in Stanton, Dixon, or Alex Smith to compete.


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No, simply no. They have a lot of offensive talent on Philly and he doesn't perform well there. I can't imagine he would do any better here.

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