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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:59 am 
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Who would have thought this offense would have broken any Miami Dolphins club records.

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WRs Brandon Marshall (81 catches) and Davone Bess (76) have combined for a club-record 157 receptions this season, including 15 against the Lions. That pushed them past the Marks Brothers, Duper and Clayton, who combined for 144 in 1984. Clayton and running back Jim Jensen also had 144 catches in 1988.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:29 am 
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2 of my 3 top favorite players! Duper & Bess.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:51 am 
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We do have a good duo in Marshall and Bess, it's too bad the guy throwing them the ball can't stop throwing interceptions.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:19 am 
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wkloiber13 wrote:
We do have a good duo in Marshall and Bess, it's too bad the guy throwing them the ball can't stop throwing interceptions.

Miami has a good, but slow duo Also, if the Wr could stand up a few of those Int would not have happened. There are more to the Int that just Henne not throwing very well.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:51 am 
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I am actually sorry the record was broken. # of catches is a useless statistic, just like # of carries in a season. It's what you do with the catches that counts and how far down the field you can catch them. Below are the stats for both duo's. Huge disparity obviously in the #'s and the guy throwing the ball.

Bess- 76 785 10.3 4TD
Marshall- 81 917 11.3 3TD

Duper- 71 1,306 18.4 8TD
Clayton- 73 1,389 19.0 18TD

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ytnewton wrote:
Huge disparity obviously in the #'s and the guy throwing the ball.


Yep, has nothing to do with the play calling or the lack of speed of either receiver.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:41 pm 
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Iowafin wrote:
ytnewton wrote:
Huge disparity obviously in the #'s and the guy throwing the ball.


Yep, has nothing to do with the play calling or the lack of speed of either receiver.

That's funny I see them running down field routes but the ball usually sails 5 yards over their heads and out of bounds.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:04 pm 
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Well at least one had speed.
Clayton----Despite a productive college career, Clayton was not considered a top prospect entering the 1983 NFL Draft. At 5'9 and 163 pounds and 4.63 speed in the 40 yard dash, Clayton's physical numbers weren't impressive. He was drafted in the 8th round by the Dolphins--the 223rd overall pick of the entire draft.http://miamisouthpaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/happy-birthday-mark-clayton.html
Duper----I can't find any official times but he was rumored to be in the 4.3 range

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:47 am 
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This isn't even close...To compair todays passing stats with the 80's isn't even close to being fair...

You can't touch the receivers or qb's anymore.....the number of plays run per game is more.YPC is down..It's hardly the same game

100 catches in a season in the 80's was unheard of...What Marino Clayton and Duper did was historical....And it's pretty much the norm now(except maybe 84,And even that has been match a few years)


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kev1321 wrote:
This isn't even close...To compair todays passing stats with the 80's isn't even close to being fair...

You can't touch the receivers or qb's anymore.....the number of plays run per game is more.YPC is down..It's hardly the same game

100 catches in a season in the 80's was unheard of...What Marino Clayton and Duper did was historical....And it's pretty much the norm now(except maybe 84,And even that has been match a few years)

I agree with you in the difference between the rules with QB's and WR's today. You can still have high YPC if the plays called and the players are good enough to execute them. Like I said before the # catches mean nothing. The stats below show that players are still capable of being successful in YPC and catches even though the game has changed.This is obviously through 15 games.
Brandon Lloyd DEN WR 72 1,375 19.1 10TD
Greg Jennings GB WR 72 1,168 16.2 12TD
Dwayne Bowe KC WR 67 1,094 16.3 15TD
DeSean Jackson PHI WR 47 1,056 22.5 6TD
Mike Wallace PIT WR 57 1,152 20.2 9TD

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:03 pm 
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That's not what i meant....I should have said YPA


There is alot more short passes now...Most qb's are around 7 yards per pass ....In 84 six guys had over 8 and Marino was over 9

And again the receiver has the advantage now,So what would that have been now 11-12ypa

Brady's career is 7.4 and he has only been over 8 one time (07-8.3)W/Moss and the rule changes!

Payton Manning is 6.9 this year Brees is 7.1


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:18 pm 
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kev1321 wrote:
That's not what i meant....I should have said YPA


There is alot more short passes now...Most qb's are around 7 yards per pass ....In 84 six guys had over 8 and Marino was over 9

And again the receiver has the advantage now,So what would that have been now 11-12ypa

Brady's career is 7.4 and he has only been over 8 one time (07-8.3)W/Moss and the rule changes!

Not sure about the YPA arguement. My point was it is still possible to average in the 16-20 YPC average in today's game. If fact with the rule changes it would seem to be easier today to do it than back then.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:24 pm 
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For the record, according to NFL.com 5 players in 1984 had over 8 YPA and Marino was one of them, he was at 9.
There are currently 4 over 8 this year, there were 7 players over 8 YPA just last year, 3 in 08'.

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