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I wonder, with the state of the Denver Broncos.
Searching for a new coach, paying Tim Tebow 1st round money,
if Kyle Orton could be had via trade this offseason.
I would be extremely happy to get him. He has really grown as a pro quarterback.

Crazier things have happened. Denver gave us Marshall and Nolan.
Marshall thrived with Orton throwing to him.
Maybe they could do us 1 more favor and give us our franchise QB. :)


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Most Bronco fans say he is over-rated and want him out...

That said, no thanks.


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20 touchdowns to 6 interceptions.
I'd take that kind of overrated all day


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20 touchdowns to 6 interceptions.
I'd take that kind of overrated all day


I'll leave behind 3-9, thankyouverymuch.

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I wonder, with the state of the Denver Broncos.
Searching for a new coach, paying Tim Tebow 1st round money,
if Kyle Orton could be had via trade this offseason.
I would be extremely happy to get him. He has really grown as a pro quarterback.

Crazier things have happened. Denver gave us Marshall and Nolan.
Marshall thrived with Orton throwing to him.
Maybe they could do us 1 more favor and give us our franchise QB. :)


And what do you propose Miami trades to get him?


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Most Bronco fans say he is over-rated and want him out...


Because fans are such great football experts.

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20 touchdowns to 6 interceptions.
I'd take that kind of overrated all day


I'll leave behind 3-9, thankyouverymuch.


Didn't realize he was a one man team. I guess with Denver's top ranked defense:

27th in yards allowed
22nd in passing yards allowed
31st in rushing yards allowed
30th in points allowed

And with their top notch running game

29th in rushing yards

A guy like Orton should have them undefeated!

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I wonder, with the state of the Denver Broncos.
Searching for a new coach, paying Tim Tebow 1st round money,
if Kyle Orton could be had via trade this offseason.
I would be extremely happy to get him. He has really grown as a pro quarterback.

Crazier things have happened. Denver gave us Marshall and Nolan.
Marshall thrived with Orton throwing to him.
Maybe they could do us 1 more favor and give us our franchise QB. :)


I don't know if he is a franchise QB. He is having a very good season and is only 28, but could he be a system QB? He also had a good year last year but I would be wary of giving up too much for him.

That being said, I am not opposed to the idea of acquiring him for the right price to compete for the job.

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That being said, I am not opposed to the idea of acquiring him for the right price to compete for the job.


That is the problem. What does it take? Denver won't give him away and why would they get rid of a productive guy when they need to address other areas?


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That being said, I am not opposed to the idea of acquiring him for the right price to compete for the job.


That is the problem. What does it take? Denver won't give him away and why would they get rid of a productive guy when they need to address other areas?


There is going to be regime change in Denver, so there is always the possibility that Orton isn't their guy for the future. Additionally, the price teams have been having to pay to get top players has gone down recently. A few years ago, to acquire a Marshall or Boldin, a team would need to give up at least one 1st rounder in there somewhere, maybe a 1st and a 2nd. Orton, while a QB that puts up very good numbers, isn't a top notch QB, so I am assuming he can be had for a 2nd round pick with another pick packaged in there. Obviously that is speculation as the season isn't even over and a market hasn't been set, but given the way trades have been going recently, I don't think it is out of the question.

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There is going to be regime change in Denver, so there is always the possibility that Orton isn't their guy for the future. Additionally, the price teams have been having to pay to get top players has gone down recently. A few years ago, to acquire a Marshall or Boldin, a team would need to give up at least one 1st rounder in there somewhere, maybe a 1st and a 2nd. Orton, while a QB that puts up very good numbers, isn't a top notch QB, so I am assuming he can be had for a 2nd round pick with another pick packaged in there. Obviously that is speculation as the season isn't even over and a market hasn't been set, but given the way trades have been going recently, I don't think it is out of the question.


I see your point with the regime and bringing in their guy. I guess if Denver wants to get something for Orton and not let him walk in FA then its possible. But from all accounts he is a good leader, well liked and the type of guy you want leading your team. Top tier or elite? No. But a guy that can win with a good cast around him.

I just have a hard time seeing them let him go. In the cases of Marshall and Boldin, they forced their way out of town.

But yeah, its going to take at least a 2nd rounder, which Miami does not have in 2011.


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If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?


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If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?


When have we traded a 2nd round pick for a guy that had 41 TDs versus 18 INTs the previous two season? That was averaging 3600 yards his previous two seasons? That was averaging 60+% completions and over 7 yards per attempt the past two seasons?

Please inform me when this happened.

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If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?



You said it yourself before. There as many first round misses as there are hits on QBs. I'd rather bring in a guy for competition that has proven something in the NFL. Then again, I still think Henne will be the guy, but I'm 100% in favor of bringing in competition.


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If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?


If we did that, wouldn't that be in 2013 since we traded the next two years' 2nd round picks for Brandon Marshall?

I'll be jumping off the bridge with you if we do trade for him. We have Henne developing along the same path as Orton ... and Henne has a stronger arm than Orton. Going after a free agent QB is ok, but the only trading I would go for would be a trade for Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, or Phillip Rivers;)

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Rich wrote:
jammer wrote:
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That being said, I am not opposed to the idea of acquiring him for the right price to compete for the job.


That is the problem. What does it take? Denver won't give him away and why would they get rid of a productive guy when they need to address other areas?


There is going to be regime change in Denver, so there is always the possibility that Orton isn't their guy for the future. Additionally, the price teams have been having to pay to get top players has gone down recently. A few years ago, to acquire a Marshall or Boldin, a team would need to give up at least one 1st rounder in there somewhere, maybe a 1st and a 2nd. Orton, while a QB that puts up very good numbers, isn't a top notch QB, so I am assuming he can be had for a 2nd round pick with another pick packaged in there. Obviously that is speculation as the season isn't even over and a market hasn't been set, but given the way trades have been going recently, I don't think it is out of the question.


I think Orton's been the most underrated QB for years now. Even with Chicago he was good.
He turned Brandon Lloyd into a pro bowl receiver.


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Rich wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?


When have we traded a 2nd round pick for a guy that had 41 TDs versus 18 INTs the previous two season? That was averaging 3600 yards his previous two seasons? That was averaging 60+% completions and over 7 yards per attempt the past two seasons?

Please inform me when this happened.



exactly. Orton's not A.J. Feeley


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Phins Rock wrote:
If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?


If we did that, wouldn't that be in 2013 since we traded the next two years' 2nd round picks for Brandon Marshall?

I'll be jumping off the bridge with you if we do trade for him. We have Henne developing along the same path as Orton ... and Henne has a stronger arm than Orton. Going after a free agent QB is ok, but the only trading I would go for would be a trade for Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, or Phillip Rivers;)

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No. We traded this past year's 2nd in the next draft's 2nd.


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No. We traded this past year's 2nd in the next draft's 2nd.


Then what did we use to draft Koa Misi?

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No. We traded this past year's 2nd in the next draft's 2nd.


Then what did we use to draft Koa Misi?


Didn't we have two 2nds?

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Rich wrote:
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No. We traded this past year's 2nd in the next draft's 2nd.


Then what did we use to draft Koa Misi?


Didn't we have two 2nds?


Traded down....


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I stand corrected. It was indeed a 2010 draft pick and next year's draft pick. I actually feel better about it now.

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The Denver Broncos have traded wide receiver Brandon Marshall to the Miami Dolphins for second-round draft picks in 2010 and 2011, the Broncos announced Wednesday.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/n ... id=5085644

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No. We traded this past year's 2nd in the next draft's 2nd.


Then what did we use to draft Koa Misi?


we got the chargers 2nd round pick when we traded down in round 1


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Kyle Orton would be a nice acquisition at QB. Maybe the Broncos decide to commit to Tebow when changes are made in Denver? He would be much sought after should they decide to shop him around though.

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Kyle Orton would be a nice acquisition at QB. Maybe the Broncos decide to commit to Tebow when changes are made in Denver? He would be much sought after should they decide to shop him around though.



That's what I'm sayin cuz. :yay:
Denver has made some wacky moves of late.
Could be a real possibility.


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If they traded Peyton Hillis for Brady Quinn, maybe they'll take Patrick Cobbs for Kyle Orton.

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Maybe not Cobbs....but how about Henne for Orton? I can dream.....

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If they traded Peyton Hillis for Brady Quinn, maybe they'll take Patrick Cobbs for Kyle Orton.


haha! we fleeced Denver pretty bad this past offseason.
I wish we could have gotten Hillis too.
That would have been the hat trick.
but i love what we did to them. That's is how you become great, by taking advantage of dumber teams. that's how New England remains excellent. Always tricking Al Davis. :)


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If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?


Let's hold hands when we jump!


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dolphinjim wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?


Let's hold hands when we jump!


Let me know where this will be taking place so I can bring my lawn chair and a bag of popcorn.

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Rich wrote:
dolphinjim wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
If we trade a 2nd round pick for another "up and coming" QB, I am going to literally jump off a bridge.

Have we not learned our lesson yet?


Let's hold hands when we jump!


Let me know where this will be taking place so I can bring my lawn chair and a bag of popcorn.


No video camera?


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I live in Denver and I've had the chance to watch the Broncos and their fans for a while now. Orton will be run out of Denver before the new coach shows up. The fans here are screaming for Tim Tebow to play, they have been for a while now. It's the same thing that happened to Jake Plummer, the Broncos had a solid veteran starter that was benched for a rookie because the season was going down the drain.
As far as us going for Kyle Orton, I think he's maybe an option. I'm still not too sure about him because almost every quarterback that plays in Josh McDaniels offense throws for a ton of yards and throws lots of touchdowns. If you look at todays game he played terrible without McDaniels making the play calls. I think Orton is a system guy, you don't get Orton unless you are willing to go after McDaniels too. Personally, I think Henne would do very well in a Josh McDaniels offense. The quarterback works out of the shotgun a lot and he almost always had three and four wideout sets. Henne is at his best in these situations.
The scenario I would like to see is one where we pick up Josh McDaniels to replace Dan Henning and we let Henne and a veteran quarterback like Orton duke it out for the starting job. This is a deep quarterback draft from what it sounds like and it's possible a lot of veteran guys like Donovan McNabb, Carson Palmer, etc. will be replaced for young guns. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


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20 touchdowns to 6 interceptions.
I'd take that kind of overrated all day


I'll leave behind 3-9, thankyouverymuch.


No defense, no running game but its all Orton's fault. Great Defense, marginal running game but Henne gets one excuse after another.

IMHO Orton or Tebow will be available after the season. I'd grab etiher one at the moment.


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Most Bronco fans say he is over-rated and want him out...


Because fans are such great football experts.


Yeah but right now they're dominating the media. Fans are calling in and all they want to talk about is Tim Tebow. It has been this way most of the season. Orton has been playing well even in defeat. I'm not sure who they get rid of but its my feeling one of these guys will be gone next season.


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My buddy is a die-hard Broncos fan. He HATES Orton. Sure looked like crap yesterday. I can see why these guys want him. :hithead:


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does he hate sunshine and santa claus too?
is he just a hate, hate, hater???


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I'd rather have Josh McDaniels the offensive coordinator than Tebow or Orton. I think McDaniels is the type of coordinator that could re-energize Henne's career and get him back on track. McDaniels has a history of making quarterbacks look very good. Orton was mediocre before he got into McDaniels system, now he's putting up solid numbers. If you notice he played very sloppy this week when McDaniels wasn't at the helm. Expect Orton to fall apart now that McDaniels is gone. He was the reason that offense was playing as well as it was.


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My buddy is a die-hard Broncos fan. He HATES Orton. Sure looked like crap yesterday. I can see why these guys want him. :hithead:


Unless your buddy is an NFL personnel man, I don't really care what he thinks.

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I'd rather have Josh McDaniels the offensive coordinator than Tebow or Orton. I think McDaniels is the type of coordinator that could re-energize Henne's career and get him back on track. McDaniels has a history of making quarterbacks look very good. Orton was mediocre before he got into McDaniels system, now he's putting up solid numbers. If you notice he played very sloppy this week when McDaniels wasn't at the helm. Expect Orton to fall apart now that McDaniels is gone. He was the reason that offense was playing as well as it was.


So you're willing to give up BOTH Nolan and B Marshall? You don't give away the DC who has made your defense respectable again and the only legitimate weapon you have on offfense to get a guy who doesn't play on the field and is known for being tough to work with.

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When have we traded a 2nd round pick for a guy that had 41 TDs versus 18 INTs the previous two season? That was averaging 3600 yards his previous two seasons? That was averaging 60+% completions and over 7 yards per attempt the past two seasons?

Please inform me when this happened.


Instead we draft Pat White. I would trade a 2nd for Orton. He will at least provide competition. Worse case he beats out Henne and reunites with Marshall. At least we have insurance in case we have to "draft a QB for the future".


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