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Well, it was definitely not based on what he did with the Dolphins. I believe we will see a better Chubb in Miami next year in Fangio's defense.

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The NFL has named Dolphins linebacker Bradley Chubb to the Pro Bowl games to replace Khalil Mack. Chubb also made the Pro Bowl in 2020.

Chubb becomes the fourth Dolphin named to the team, joining tackle Terron Armstead, wide receiver Tyreek Hill and cornerback Xavien Howard. It’s the first time Miami has had four Pro Bowl selections in a season since 2016, when running back Jay Ajayi, wide receiver Jarvis Landry, defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh and defensive end Cameron Wake made the all-star team.


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Chubb didn't make the flash plays, but he had a pressure of 14.7%, the highest of his career. I consistently saw him getting pressure on the QB, rarely get stood up and some sacks by other players were caused by Chubb making them have to step up in the pocket.

He also had a nice strip sack against the Bills in the playoffs.

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Chubb didn't make the flash plays, but he had a pressure of 14.7%, the highest of his career. I consistently saw him getting pressure on the QB, rarely get stood up and some sacks by other players were caused by Chubb making them have to step up in the pocket.

He also had a nice strip sack against the Bills in the playoffs.

I understand that. However, for the price he brings, the results need to be measured with sacks. May not be right, but its the way of the world.

For a player with 5 yrs under his belt, but only 3 true season of playing under it. I'm not been a fan of this trade. Maybe the future will bring results, but only one yr has he reach double digit sacks and that was four yrs ago. His rookie yr.


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Maybe the future will bring results, but only one yr has he reach double digit sacks and that was four yrs ago. His rookie yr.


You probably answered your own question here. Maybe the Davie suits hired him for more reasons than just loading up on an ESPN sack sheet?

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Dphins4me wrote:
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Chubb didn't make the flash plays, but he had a pressure of 14.7%, the highest of his career. I consistently saw him getting pressure on the QB, rarely get stood up and some sacks by other players were caused by Chubb making them have to step up in the pocket.

He also had a nice strip sack against the Bills in the playoffs.

I understand that. However, for the price he brings, the results need to be measured with sacks. May not be right, but its the way of the world.

For a player with 5 yrs under his belt, but only 3 true season of playing under it. I'm not been a fan of this trade. Maybe the future will bring results, but only one yr has he reach double digit sacks and that was four yrs ago. His rookie yr.


Consistent pressure is more important than sacks on a stat sheet.

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I can't believe they've reduced the Pro Bowl to flag football!! It's B.S. and they need to either get it back to the way it was in the 80s and 90s or get rid of it!!

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I can't believe they've reduced the Pro Bowl to flag football!! It's B.S. and they need to either get it back to the way it was in the 80s and 90s or get rid of it!!


The only thing that’s here to stay from the 80s & 90s is HIV. I remember years ago we used to joke about the PB eventually coming to this.

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I can't believe they've reduced the Pro Bowl to flag football!! It's B.S. and they need to either get it back to the way it was in the 80s and 90s or get rid of it!!


The only thing that’s here to stay from the 80s & 90s is HIV. I remember years ago we used to joke about the PB eventually coming to this.


It actually served a purpose back then. Being the weekend after the Super Bowl, it was a "cool down" game where fans could watch their favorite stars play, have fun, and mess around before settling in for the long offseason.

Plus, being that it was the weekend after the Super Bowl, players who played in the Super Bowl and the conference title games could play in it.

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I mean, I seen where the Ravens QB... can't remember his name, somehow backed his way into the Pro Bowl. They said he had a total of 2 touchdowns thrown this season. Superstar.

And mullets are still around from the 80's/90's.. at least in the MLB / baseball players seem to enjoy that shaggy / mullet hair smashed down by a flat billed hat.


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ArtieChokePhin wrote:
I can't believe they've reduced the Pro Bowl to flag football!! It's B.S. and they need to either get it back to the way it was in the 80s and 90s or get rid of it!!


Probably just preparing the way for where the regular games are headed.


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ArtieChokePhin wrote:
I can't believe they've reduced the Pro Bowl to flag football!! It's B.S. and they need to either get it back to the way it was in the 80s and 90s or get rid of it!!


Probably just preparing the way for where the regular games are headed.


Yep.

Soon, instead of "wrap up and tackle" it will be "grab and rip" during defensive drills.

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Rich wrote:
Consistent pressure is more important than sacks on a stat sheet.

I get that, but in the world we live in today. Being just good enough to almost do something, is not considered valuable. For his price tag. Chubb does need to make some game changing plays.


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Like a strip sack in a playoff game?


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AQNOR wrote:
Like a strip sack in a playoff game?


Man, you've been nit-picky lately with people's words. Let me help Dphins out here.

"For his price tag. Chubb does need to make more consistent game changing plays."
"For his price tag. Chubb does need to make some game changing plays, along with the pressure he's getting on QB's."

I agree w/ Dphins on this one.


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AQNOR wrote:
Like a strip sack in a playoff game?


Need more of those, eh? Getting pressure is good, but you also need to seal the deal, too, since he was an overall top 5 draft pick. But, I'm not hating on him. I love his effort ... and that he played for our NC STate Wolfpack, eh?

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Rich wrote:
Consistent pressure is more important than sacks on a stat sheet.

I understand that and do not disagree to a point. However, in the world of stat driven results. That is like saying, you were good enough to almost do something valuable..

When fans start seeing opposing QB miss throws because he almost got there, then they will be on board. However, what most saw was him almost getting there, but the pass being completed.


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AQNOR wrote:
Like a strip sack in a playoff game?

Yes, like that. One play does not change the other eight games of results.

In the four games after the trade, Chubb had 2.50 sacks. The next five games. One sack and it came in the playoff game.


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Dphins4me wrote:
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Consistent pressure is more important than sacks on a stat sheet.

I understand that and do not disagree to a point. However, in the world of stat driven results. That is like saying, you were good enough to almost do something valuable..

When fans start seeing opposing QB miss throws because he almost got there, then they will be on board. However, what most saw was him almost getting there, but the pass being completed.


You're right. If he wouldn't have injured 60% of our secondary, he'd be more worth it.

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You're right. If he wouldn't have injured 60% of our secondary, he'd be more worth it.
Thanks for the condescending reply. The only reason you replied that way is because you know I’m right. So, thank you


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You're right. If he wouldn't have injured 60% of our secondary, he'd be more worth it.
Thanks for the condescending reply. The only reason you replied that way is because you know I’m right. So, thank you


The only reason I replied that way is because after all these years, I guess I am kinda stunned that you don't understand how team defense works.

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Rich wrote:

The only reason I replied that way is because after all these years, I guess I am kinda stunned that you don't understand how team defense works.

I understand, just as I would expect you to understand. Just being good enough to not do something does not mean you did something. Being close, but not touching the QB, is not menacing to the QB. He needs to being laying hits on the QB or at least letting him know he was there. Being blocked while being close equals nothing.


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The only reason I replied that way is because after all these years, I guess I am kinda stunned that you don't understand how team defense works.

I understand, just as I would expect you to understand. Just being good enough to not do something does not mean you did something. Being close, but not touching the QB, is not menacing to the QB. He needs to being laying hits on the QB or at least letting him know he was there. Being blocked while being close equals nothing.


So you've confirmed that aside from not understanding how team defense works, you're a bit foggy on pressure as well.

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So you've confirmed that aside from not understanding how team defense works, you're a bit foggy on pressure as well.
Being solidly blocked, but being close is not pressure. Being a step away and hitting the QB right after the throw is pressure. Throws start coming out quicker once you start hitting the Qb.


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I dont think you have to hit a qb for throws to start coming out before the qb would like to throw it. You hurry him up with pressure.


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Being solidly blocked, but being close is not pressure. Being a step away and hitting the QB right after the throw is pressure. Throws start coming out quicker once you start hitting the Qb.


I posted a stat about Chubb getting pressure on 14.7% of his pass rushes, which is a career high.

You're off in the wilderness having your own conversation. Stay warm.

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I dont think you have to hit a qb for throws to start coming out before the qb would like to throw it. You hurry him up with pressure.


All that matters is misleading sacks that come in bunches.

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I posted a stat about Chubb getting pressure on 14.7% of his pass rushes, which is a career high.

You're off in the wilderness having your own conversation. Stay warm.

First off he played 8 games with another team. Break that % down between the two teams.

Second show me the stat that shows other players with that pressure % and let see if they only ended up with 8 sacks.

Yes, sacks is a misleading stats, just like most stats can if used incorrectly.


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I dont think you have to hit a qb for throws to start coming out before the qb would like to throw it. You hurry him up with pressure.

You hurry him by touching him letting him know how close you were. He has to be hurried and being 2 feet away with a blocker between you is not the way.


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Dphins4me wrote:
AQNOR wrote:
I dont think you have to hit a qb for throws to start coming out before the qb would like to throw it. You hurry him up with pressure.

You hurry him by touching him letting him know how close you were. He has to be hurried and being 2 feet away with a blocker between you is not the way.


Ok we don't agree on this. If a QB thinks someone is close to getting him then I believe he will throw the ball before he wants too.

You don't wait until someone hits you to duck.


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Ok we don't agree on this. If a QB thinks someone is close to getting him then I believe he will throw the ball before he wants too.

You don't wait until someone hits you to duck.

Cool. However, as a QB, you should learn that a blocker between you and the defender equals extra time. May only be a sec or so, but in football time that is a lot.

I can recall watching Jim Kelly play against Miami. When Miami was hitting him, the ball started coming out early and Miami won those games, but when they were not, but were close he was ripping up the D and they lost.


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Ok we don't agree on this. If a QB thinks someone is close to getting him then I believe he will throw the ball before he wants too.

You don't wait until someone hits you to duck.

Cool. However, as a QB, you should learn that a blocker between you and the defender equals extra time. May only be a sec or so, but in football time that is a lot.

I can recall watching Jim Kelly play against Miami. When Miami was hitting him, the ball started coming out early and Miami won those games, but when they were not, but were close he was ripping up the D and they lost.


We are not talking about the same thing. If your position is that only if you put a hand on a qb that is pressure and the only way a QB will get rid of the ball quicker than he wants then there really is nothing more to say.


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We are not talking about the same thing. If your position is that only if you put a hand on a qb that is pressure and the only way a QB will get rid of the ball quicker than he wants then there really is nothing more to say.

Not only. Two different types. Being there, but never touching is not pressure. He knows your close, but still protected.

At some point a player needs to hit the QB, so he knows he can be gotten to. When he knows that, then the ball starts coming out quicker. Especially if one hits a QB early in the game, then the rest of the game the timing of their passing game is off, if then you are only getting close but not touching.


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We are not talking about the same thing. If your position is that only if you put a hand on a qb that is pressure and the only way a QB will get rid of the ball quicker than he wants then there really is nothing more to say.

Not only. Two different types. Being there, but never touching is not pressure. He knows your close, but still protected.

At some point a player needs to hit the QB, so he knows he can be gotten to. When he knows that, then the ball starts coming out quicker. Especially if one hits a QB early in the game, then the rest of the game the timing of their passing game is off, if then you are only getting close but not touching.


It can work that way, for sure. Remember the Super Bowl with Brady and the Pats against the Falcons. Early in that game, the Falcons held Brady’s receivers so they would then have time to sack or hit Brady. The penalties flew, but Brady was flustered and the Falcons got a huge lead at halftime as a result. In the second half though, the Falcons didn’t seem willing to go back to what was working and the Pats made adjustments and pulled off the comeback win.


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