Wasn't sure if we would do this or not. Glad we are keeping him for now. At least see if he can fit in this offense.

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I’m sorta surprised by this as blocking is not his forte. I wonder if they will experiment with him at WR?


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…..good….I like seeing the team keep its good players. A creative coach can find a way to use a talented player.

Ogbah is far more valuable. His production far outweighs Gesicki’s. The hope is they can still reach a contract agreement but in the end, if they could only keep one they are keeping the wrong player.

Hopefully we can sign him to a long term contract. If you are wondering if he fights the tag, there is precedent that he will not win it.



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Agreed.



Gesicki would have some balls to argue a $19m tag salary with the low production he managed last season.

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While I think they keep him, I would not rule out shopping him for a draft pick now that the TE market has zero top free agents available.

I would not trade him for less than a first round pick. On a team with a quality offensive line and a top QB, he would probably set records. I am quite surprised the Phins tagged him, since they usually prefer to trade our quality players to other teams. After all, we already have Hunter Long and his awesome rookie season.

This is where Chris Grier caving to Flores's demands really bothers me. Was Long a Flores guy to be groomed and take over? If not, now what? Same can be said for Liam Eichenberg who doesn't seem to fit the offense McDaniel wants.

And I agree with you on Gesicki having a career year if his QB is given time to throw.

I think Long is a Grier guy. Grier saw a lot of UFA in a year from his group of tight ends and wanted to upgrade the group. Flores never thought much of Long or he would have played him more to develop him.

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This would seem the more likely scenario


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Word is, he may file a grievance because he felt he should've been tagged as a WR and not a TE.

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He has been on the roster as a TE since day one, so he is fighting a losing battle.


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He won’t be filing anything. He isn’t that type of person. He will be happy to get what he got and play like money doesn’t matter this year. He plays like a throwback. He loves the game and his teammates and believes in team.

Just take my word for it. He isn’t the money hungry player like most are.

I agree. McD seems to be all about honestly using the talent on hand to its strengths. Every coach says it, but he has a reputation for actually doing it. We'll see.

Honestly I'm glad we tagged Mike, but I agree that Ogbah should have been the higher priority. I hope we can work out an extension like TN did with their FA Edge.

The Dolphins have got to find a way to resign Ogbah. Hopefully he will allow us to match what another team may offer. He has been more than what we expected when we signed him. Obviously what we wanted to pay him was less than he thought he could get as a free agent next week.




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If we are to believe what is reported then Flores signed off on every pick. It would also explain the tension between Flores and Gesicki regarding snap counts. Long was frequently lined up as a blocker in shorty yardage/goal line situations on the Sundays he made the active roster. I tend to think Flores was slowly grooming because TE is a tough position to come in and dominate immediately. Long is a good talent, but was not a blue chip prospect.

I agree that McDaniel can maximize Gesicki and we saw that Tua looked his way a lot last year. If Miami does trade him (which cannot be ruled out) they better have a good backup plan because Shaheen and Smythe aren't it.

Scenario: if the Fins can trade Gesicki for a second or third rounder, heck even a fourth, and use his cap allocation to help sign Ogbah, wouldn’t that be a slam dunk? I admit I don’t understand all the cap / FA rules and my scenario may not be realistic, but just asking. It’d be like acquiring a top edge rusher for a part time role player (Gesicki) and getting a pick to boot. Sure, there’s more money needed to seal the deal but it would be a lot more appealing if Gesicki’s $11m was already on the books.

If Miami simply let Gesicki walk they would probably land a 3rd Round Comp pick next year. You have to beat that in the trade market to make moving him worth it.

Ogbah has been awesome and I hope he stays in Miami. But the brass might be thinking that if his demands are too high that this draft (which is rich in pass rushers) plus a serviceable veteran is a good fall back plan.

Yes, because NFL careers have been determined by the rookie season. 3rd Rd pick Travis Kelce rookie yr. 1 Game not started and nothing else. Miami fans would be calling for him to be cut. Not saying Long will provide the same returns, but simply providing proof that the rookie season means nothing..

Knee surgery might have impacted Kelce in his rookie year…..ya’ think?

So he played one snap on special teams prior to being injured. Nope, does not look like an IR stash to me. ya' think?

Please know something about which you speak of.

I don't mind the move. It gives the front office options. Could humor some trades if they are offered value; or could just keep him for a year to see how well he works in the new system. It would be a bummer to let him walk for nothing, test free agency and have a team do something similar to what Buffalo did with Charles Clay. Plus, he has proven he is capable out there, so it's not like they are holding on to spoiled goods. Then it winds up being a whole lot like the deal Miami gave to Will Fuller - just north of 10 million for 1 year.

With Ogbah, it seems more cut and dry the type of salary he is going to demand. I hope the desire to bring him back is there, and hopefully Miami is willing to dish out the money to match what other teams offer. We'll see how hot his market is. Played great last season.

Insults are not arguments. You left out Kelce going on IR on 10/12 of his rookie season.

Neither is being condescending. Ended with ya, think? You serve and I will return it. And I know I left it out. I knew he played one play on ST in Wk. 2 was nothing but an IR stash of a rookie player.

I was excited when the Dolphins drafted Gesicki, but he has been a bit disappointing to me, overall. He excels at those one-handed catches while running across the field, but I don't think anything else he does stands out. Some have wanted him to be a WR, but I don't see it. Tua needs guys who create separation in space, and that isn't Gesicki. He is lanky and long-striding, a taller and healthier (but probably slower) version of Parker.

Don't get me wrong -- Gesicki is a weapon and I'd like to have him on the team. But I'm not going to break the bank for him. Giving him a one-year deal to see how he fits in the new offense seems right to me. I do want to see what we have in Hunter Long, though.

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He’s a shaky highlight reel, where was the production last season? Was Flores & his staff inept at offensive creativity and deploying him properly or is he a globe trotter….great at putting up a sexy slam dunk alley oop once or twice a game but nothing in between..

I’d love to get an 800% pay bump for a decline in my production. Being a pro athlete is fantasy, no other system rewards mediocrity & “potential” like it…show me you can contribute before eating up $11,000,000 of my payroll. And some of these guys act like they get beaten up by the system…

A UFC fighter from Arkansas who may earn 2% of Gesicki salary all 2022 just donated half his fight purse to children’s homes…these guys do nothing but talk and complain and are just fed cash like it’s pez candy. The NFL has turned into a bloated, vapid money vacuum where there is no more loyalty but the next check.

I will love my team until I’m buried but I’m sick to my stomach with what the NFL has become and the player mentality in response. F ‘em. Back in the day when football was football the diva players would get singled out and ostracized…now most of the locker room is just like that. Waaahh waaahh waaahh I’m not making enough money.

Kiss my @$$. These guys get paid like kings just to stay in shape & exercise. I would cut bait if his agent mumbled one syllable about him being paid $18,000,000 as a wideout. Bye bye.

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That play just doesn't impress me that much. Those one-handed high-point catches are just not that hard, IMO, even though they look great. I think (at least based on personal experience, going back quite a few years!), the shoe-top catches, the reach-back catches with a defender in your grill, the sideline catches where you have to get two feet in bounds, the catches where you are running full speed and must catch the ball with your hands away from the body, the over-the-shoulder long balls where you have to change your tracking mid-throw ... those are all harder. D. Hopkins and Antonio Brown are phenomenal at those catches, and they come up more often.

Even if it is considered a difficult catch, I think it is like having an NBA player who can replace two quarters on the top of a glass backboard with a 50 cent piece. (Didn't David Thompson do that?) It makes the highlight reel, but it isn't enough of a staple in the game to merit super-star status.

Sorry, a Gesicki plus a Long and go ahead and throw in all the other TE’s on the roster, like five I think, are not worth one Ogbah. Not the one that played in 2021. Ogbah has to be paid, the question is does he have the character to play to the contract once he gets it. Risky, but this is the way of the league sometimes.

I don't think anyone is arguing with you about Ogbah. He is going to be very difficult to replace. He played over his salary the last two years and did it in good faith without complaining. Perhaps his agent is asking for too much, so, let's see if he gets it in free agency. If we lose him, I think Grier gambled and lost, because the whole deal was that our defense is playoff caliber and to keep the defense intact.

Gesicki? I think we should look to extend him, but it depends on how much he is asking for as he is a TE/WR hybrid type of a player. Tua trusted him last year in the red zone and on third downs, so, it would be a mistake to upset that chemistry there in my opinion.




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How much you want to bet that Miami signs Jadeveon Clowney (who they have been hot for in years past) and drafts a guy on Day 2?

The more I read the more I think this is going to be a spending spree to fill many positions, and they will draft BPA rather than fill holes.

McDaniel has commented a few times that he likes the young talent on the roster, but I think that is his way of saying the team doesn't need to get younger. They need guys who have proven it while trying to get the best out of the underwhelming youth.

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He signed his tag. Looks like he had no complaints about him being tagged as a TE. The Fins definitely wouldn't have tagged him as a WR as the production wasn't there, but as a pass catching tight end, he is valuable to us.







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I would like to see him signed long term. While he isn't a good blocker, he is one of those playmakers you find a way to keep.



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If used to his skill set, then maybe. Shannon Sharpe was not a blocker and he is HoFer. Even though his brother was so much better.

He does have a habit of disappearing in games, and then he comes on strong when we need him. Maybe his number just isn't called, or we are too busy dinking behind the LOS.

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