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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:47 am 
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That cheap sod they threw down on the infield dirt made JA slip down and that's only way Braylon Edwards scored. I wonder how many games that idiotic infield has cost us?? Thank mercy they are getting their own stadium!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:05 am 
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He didn't slip on the sodded part, go watch it again.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:11 am 
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It was the light colored part that was put over the infield. You could see it slide under his foot.

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I'm pretty sure it was the sodded portion of the field that Jason slipped on. Yeremiah Bell was slipping and falling on the 1st TD pass to Dustin Keller as well.

I know the players hate the dirt infield, but the sod was just as bad last night.

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He actually slipped in the outfield, go look again. The commentators even corrected themselves later in the game when looking back at the replay and said he wasn't on the sodded part. The light colored part is worn out grass, the sodded infield was fresh green grass. Not that it matters either way, we can't blame a loss on the Marlins.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:45 pm 
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I didnt think we can make up another excuse. The officiating , the conspiracy theories , etc , etc. But guys never seem to disapoint .... the Marlins ... I love it & I will run with it. 3-0 in my book.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:52 pm 
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Both teams played on the same field.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:42 pm 
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Phins Rock wrote:
Both teams played on the same field.


You are absolutely right Phins Rock, if any team should be slipping it should have been the Jets. We're the frickin' home team!!! How is it that we always struggle with our own field???
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:07 pm 
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we certainly have the worst home field advantage

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I did not say Miami lost because of the sod that was placed on the field, just that there were players slipping out there on the field.

The sod is coming right back up and will not be in place for the game Sunday against New England.

DO it right and put the sod in place when you don't have to worry about taking it up and it can take root.

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Phins Rock wrote:
Both teams played on the same field.

Yeah, the field is equal to both teams. We can't criticize ...


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I did not say Miami lost because of the sod that was placed on the field, just that there were players slipping out there on the field.


"Freakin' stupid Marlins cost us the game!"

That seems to say Miami lost because of the sod.

I agree with the comments that both teams played on the same field.

The sod does not explain to me why there was no backup on the other teams best WR. Just because one guy slipped does not mean the WR should run 60 more yards.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:08 am 
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Phins Rock wrote:
Both teams played on the same field.


Yes, but the wide receivers are the ones making the moves while the defenders are the ones reacting.

Pretty simple logic actually...

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I have always hated that infield dirt, I know it has cost us games in the past. I can remember FG kickers slipping down, I think it was Mare once, and that cost us the game.

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Rich wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
Both teams played on the same field.


Yes, but the wide receivers are the ones making the moves while the defenders are the ones reacting.

Pretty simple logic actually...


We have WR's. And they have defenders too.


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screw it, just put huge trampolines down and then they can play like Slamball style, and then when we lose we can say "stupid maintence man must have over tightened the springs, our defenders couldn't jump higher than the other players!!!!"

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Rich wrote:
Phins Rock wrote:
Both teams played on the same field.


Yes, but the wide receivers are the ones making the moves while the defenders are the ones reacting.

Pretty simple logic actually...


We have WR's. And they have defenders too.


Yes, both teams were playing on the same field and presumably had the same advantages and disadvantages. But it is clear that on the Edwards touchdown, the Jets benefitted from the conditions. Call it bad luck if you will, but the surface was a factor, specifically on that play. We can look at things in a vacuum or we can look at it realistically.

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Rich wrote:
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Both teams played on the same field.


Yes, but the wide receivers are the ones making the moves while the defenders are the ones reacting.

Pretty simple logic actually...


And we benefited from the conditions when Marshall took it inside the 10 with 40 seconds left....

Who cares about that one play? Maybe Miami should have taken advantage of it more often? Both teams played on the same field. It's ridiculous to say Miami lost because of field conditions.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:35 pm 
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Phins Rock wrote:
And we benefited from the conditions when Marshall took it inside the 10 with 40 seconds left....


How so?

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Who cares about that one play?


No one because 70+ yard TD receptions are meaningless. :hithead:

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It's ridiculous to say Miami lost because of field conditions.


Yes, too bad I didn't... so I am not sure why you would post that in reply to me.

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Rich wrote:
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And we benefited from the conditions when Marshall took it inside the 10 with 40 seconds left....


How so?

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Who cares about that one play?


No one because 70+ yard TD receptions are meaningless. :hithead:

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It's ridiculous to say Miami lost because of field conditions.


Yes, too bad I didn't... so I am not sure why you would post that in reply to me.


The last comment was in general to the thread.

It's not as blatant as I thought, but Cromartie slipped into the tackle and it seems like Leonhard, (or whoever Fasano blasted), seemed to have a problem with his footing. Check 4:10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TplEGO60Iqc

And there, Rich, you made me watch the highlights. Thanks a lot. lol


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:46 pm 
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When you're getting blasted by a tight end, you're going to have problems with your footing. But comparing that play to the Edwards TD is ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:56 pm 
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When you're getting blasted by a tight end, you're going to have problems with your footing. But comparing that play to the Edwards TD is ridiculous.


Whatever. I just pulled an example of the sod that helped us off the top of my head. I'm sure there were others, maybe off the screen. Who knows.

My point is just that it is utterly ridiculous to blame the sod and use that as a "what if". Both teams had the same conditions.

Blaming the sod is like saying, "well if the wind hadn't been blowing, Marshall's catch over Leonhard would have been a TD because he could have run under it and not have to come back to it." And blaming that for the game because there's 4 points right there.

They lost because the Jets played more inspired and smarter (but not necessarily more disciplined) football. Not the dang sod.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:46 am 
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Rich wrote:
Yes, both teams were playing on the same field and presumably had the same advantages and disadvantages. But it is clear that on the Edwards touchdown, the Jets benefitted from the conditions. Call it bad luck if you will, but the surface was a factor, specifically on that play. We can look at things in a vacuum or we can look at it realistically.


They definately benefitted from the slippage. No doubt. It was one of the two or three key plays of the game.

But he didn't run 60 yards because one person missed a tackle. He ran 60 yards because there was no backup. It wasn't Tony Richardson. It was Braylon Edwards!!! Their best WR!!! How was there no safety backup?

In the end it wasn't bad luck. It was a bad defense scheme that caused that 70 yard TD. The field was a factor, but it effected both teams equally. They won that "battle," which is an embarassement for us. We should know how to play on our field better than any other team. Yet we have seen throughout the years that we never do.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:07 pm 
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How was there no safety backup?

In the end it wasn't bad luck. It was a bad defense scheme that caused that 70 yard TD.


I think they were playing a cover 1 to away the middle of the field. I also believe V. Davis was blitzing, so they rolled safety help his way. It was a good defensive call, just a little bad luck. If JA didn't slip, it was a routime tackle with min. gain.


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It was an aggressive blitz call. Sent 5 + a CB. I liked the call, just bad luck with the slip. No slip and I think Jason could have defended it. Even if Braylon caught it, Jason could have stopped him.

Just bad luck. It happens. This is why we have the saying Any Given Sunday.


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