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 Post subject: Jason Allen
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:29 pm 
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Any questions......LOL

I guess they only thing he did wrong was not take that to the house...Great game by Jason....

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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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No kidding. Great veteran arm tug on Evans on that deep ball too. Sean Smith gives up 6 on that play....but Smith also has 6 on that drop by Allen. Lol.

Clemons also had a great day at FS, so, not like your going to move Smith back there. We'll see how this battle pans out, but good for Jason. Keep riding the hot hand.


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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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An okay game, but seriously....you can't count on a referee non-call every time you get beat deep....

The dropped pick 6 was a bummer too. He clearly read the play, made a great break on the ball....and had both hands on it.....

Who knows though? Maybe this is his year to finally turn the corner. It was the Bills we played though.

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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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An okay game, but seriously....you can't count on a referee non-call every time you get beat deep....

The dropped pick 6 was a bummer too. He clearly read the play, made a great break on the ball....and had both hands on it.....

Who knows though? Maybe this is his year to finally turn the corner. It was the Bills we played though.


It was as good as an overall game that I've seen him play as a Dolphin. But yes, it was the Bills...


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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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It was the Bills, they lack a QB and confidence... But Evans & Parish are good WR's, so I wouldnt down play it too much...

Our play at the line is what killed the passing game, even with 4 man rushes we were putting pressure... That will change next week for sure...

Anyone else kinda wonder how our OLB's and DE's were on the ground with linemen on top of them every other play with only one holding flag? I mean I saw it clear as day 3 or 4 times on both Misi and Wake...

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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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Sean Smith gives up 6 on that play....but Smith also has 6 on that drop by Allen. Lol.


Not sure why you're so sure to give a guy a pick 6 who hasn't made an INT in his career.

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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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Jason Allen played good. But darn you really have to catch those type of interceptions that hit you in the hands like that.


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I was really surprised to See Allen in there so much.......and I was half expecting to see him get beat all day, to be honest........glad to see him have a good game, and almost come up with a game ending play in the 4th.......he and Vontae did well defending the outside all game long.


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FrustratedFinFan wrote:
An okay game, but seriously....you can't count on a referee non-call every time you get beat deep....
He wasn't beat. He was running right with Evans.


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Dphins4me wrote:
FrustratedFinFan wrote:
An okay game, but seriously....you can't count on a referee non-call every time you get beat deep....
He wasn't beat. He was running right with Evans.


He's even, he's leavin'

Age old addage used to teach defensive backs to never let the receiver get even with you and always be over the top. Allen was beat, that's why he had to use the arm bar.

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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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He wasn't beat. He was stride for stride. He had an arm bar but how many times do you see a WR push off at the last minute? It was solid defense.


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Dphins4me wrote:
FrustratedFinFan wrote:
An okay game, but seriously....you can't count on a referee non-call every time you get beat deep....
He wasn't beat. He was running right with Evans.


He wasn't beat. It was good down-the-field coverage.

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eleaf wrote:
Dphins4me wrote:
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An okay game, but seriously....you can't count on a referee non-call every time you get beat deep....
He wasn't beat. He was running right with Evans.


He wasn't beat. It was good down-the-field coverage.


Clearly you guys don't know what good coverage is. Evans had a half step, and would have made it more than that if not for the arm bar....then Allen fell over.

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Iowafin wrote:
Clearly you guys don't know what good coverage is. Evans had a half step, and would have made it more than that if not for the arm bar....then Allen fell over.


Clearly you were watching on your iPhone rather than a big flatscreen. Evans never had a step. Allen was in his hip pocket. The reason nothing got called is because Allen was looking back at the ball.

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Rich wrote:
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Clearly you guys don't know what good coverage is. Evans had a half step, and would have made it more than that if not for the arm bar....then Allen fell over.


Clearly you were watching on your iPhone rather than a big flatscreen. Evans never had a step. Allen was in his hip pocket. The reason nothing got called is because Allen was looking back at the ball.



Sounds to me like a sneaky vet move which looked like good cover, heck even the refs thought so and they were right there....

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Hopefully we are still liking him in December.

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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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Lets start with liking him next week.


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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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Mindtornado wrote:
It was as good as an overall game that I've seen him play as a Dolphin. But yes, it was the Bills...


Lee Evans has been a thorn in our side just about every time we play those Bills ... and Jason Allen covered Evans on that side the whole game. I came into this game with some concern there.


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An okay game, but seriously....you can't count on a referee non-call every time you get beat deep....
He wasn't beat. He was running right with Evans.


I agree. It was good coverage ... and an impressive move to slip that hold in there. Of course, if a flag would have been thrown we'd be criticizing him for it, but that is what makes the infraction so smoothly done.

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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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Iowafin wrote:

Clearly you guys don't know what good coverage is. Evans had a half step, and would have made it more than that if not for the arm bar....then Allen fell over.
Clearly you know more. There is great coverage & there is good coverage.

BTW, if Allen is in front the Qb can underthrow the pass to allow the Wr to come back for it. The coverage that is good is the one that the Wr does not make the catch. Evans did not make the catch. Good coverage. Arm bar is something that happens on most pass plays like that. Some get called some do not.


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 Post subject: Re: Jason Allen
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Benny Sapp dropped a pic 6 as well... woulda been nice to get 2 scores from the defense, but it was good to see us in position to do so.

JA had a great game... solid coverage from him... hope it continues.


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You know last season our secondary was a freakin' nightmare. It seemed like the crossing routes underneath were always open. Missed tackles at critical moments were the norm. Blown coverages ala the one yesterday were happening 2-3 times a game. Here's one Phin fan who is thankful that the defense, outside of 1 4th and 11 blown coverage, was downright dominant.


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Since we're talking coverage, how about Karlos Dansby covering down the field and keeping up the WRs? That guy has great speed for his size.

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Its only one game, but Allen covered a vastly talented Lee Evans for 4 catch for 34 Yrds.

I'm pulling for him to become a shut down corner..


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Dphins4me wrote:
Clearly you know more. There is great coverage & there is good coverage.

BTW, if Allen is in front the Qb can underthrow the pass to allow the Wr to come back for it.


Yeah, which gave birth to the stop fade....nearly impossible to defend because GOOD COVERAGE IS ON TOP of the receiver. An underthrown pass gives the underneath coverage an opportunity at the catch (and as we've seen, even Marshall has troubles coming back on an underthrown ball), however, a pass that is thrown to a receiver and the over the top coverage is underneath or step for step....the receiver has the advantage.

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Good coverage has the CB between the WR and the QB forcing a perfect over the top pass between the WR and the sideline. Not over the top because if you're not making an effort on the ball you can still be called for PI by obstructing the path of the WR.


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Not over the top because if you're not making an effort on the ball you can still be called for PI by obstructing the path of the WR.


That goes for any coverage...and you can't be called for PI for "obstructing" the path...something illegal has to happen, and being over the top and running with your head towards the ball is not pass interference.

This is the NFL...quarterbacks can throw the ball PAST a defender. It's much more difficult to drop it in between two defenders. It makes zero sense to play "between" a receiver and a quarterback when you have no help over the top. He was one-on-one on the outside, and Evans had a half step on him. IF there was no arm bar, Evans would have flown by him.

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Yeah, which gave birth to the stop fade....nearly impossible to defend because GOOD COVERAGE IS ON TOP of the receiver. An underthrown pass gives the underneath coverage an opportunity at the catch (and as we've seen, even Marshall has troubles coming back on an underthrown ball), however, a pass that is thrown to a receiver and the over the top coverage is underneath or step for step....the receiver has the advantage.

So you do not believe Allen's 3" to 4" height advantage makes the over the top pass a touch harder to complete on a smaller Wr?

Say what you will. Allen was in his hip pocket & only a perfect pass is completed.


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Iowafin wrote:
NFLJunkie wrote:
Not over the top because if you're not making an effort on the ball you can still be called for PI by obstructing the path of the WR.


That goes for any coverage...and you can't be called for PI for "obstructing" the path...something illegal has to happen, and being over the top and running with your head towards the ball is not pass interference.

This is the NFL...quarterbacks can throw the ball PAST a defender. It's much more difficult to drop it in between two defenders. It makes zero sense to play "between" a receiver and a quarterback when you have no help over the top. He was one-on-one on the outside, and Evans had a half step on him. IF there was no arm bar, Evans would have flown by him.


Yes you can. If you purposely obstruct the path of a WR you can be called for PI. You're assuming there's two defenders. In Allen's case there was no safety over the top or LB underneath. It was a fly route. Sorry...I don't play in the land of "if". Basic football knowledge is to keep your body between the QB and the WR. It is so basic it should go without saying. Only in a :war: 3 deep zone. Allen was in man.


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