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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:48 pm 
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There isn't anything quite as polarizing as the Tannehill debate. Nobody can argue he's currently playing poorly, but they can argue as to why. Some say he sucks (most seem to be saying this), others say his surrounding cast and/or coaching sucks. The following are 4-play videos that support each narrative:

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Anthony, I like what you're doing and always appreciate someone who isn't an absolutist in either direction.

I personally believe the best argument is Tannehill is a good/decent QB who needs a lot go right for him to succeed. He'll never be THE REASON why a team succeeds or fails, and that is dangerous territory. If Jacksonville can get to the AFC Championship with Bortles then Miami can do it with Tannehill...but look at what that took for them.

Its not over by any means for Tannehill or Gase. Things could turn around and quite frankly we have no other choice but to watch it unfold this year.

Miami should have been looking to draft a guy for years. That didn't kill Brees, Brady, Smith, Flacco or many other QBs when their respective teams "challenged" them.


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Bortles is better.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:21 pm 
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I would like to see more plays from early in the game, prior to the Tunsil injury....when the blocking was a little better. Showing plays from the part of the game when the line collapsed aren’t very good for evaluating Tannehill fairly.....although that stupid pick 6 is all on Tannehill. Take the sack, or throw it away....but that was just a god awful play by Tannehill. It reminded me of a play way back in the 80’s when Jim Everett literally sacked himself when he saw Derrick Thomas’ shadow.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:36 pm 
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Bortles, after having a strong preseason in his second year, started the 2015 season slow with one touchdown and two interceptions in a 20–9 loss at home against the Carolina Panthers in Week 1.[32] In Week 2, Bortles led a comeback drive against the Miami Dolphins to seal their first victory of the season. He threw for 273 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions.[33] In Week 5, Bortles threw for a then-career-high four touchdowns along with 303 yards and 21 rushing yards. However, this was not enough as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers won 38–31.[34] In Week 13, Bortles broke the Jaguars single game record with five touchdown passes in a 42–39 loss to the Tennessee Titans.[35]

The Jaguars finished 5-11 in the 2015 season, and Bortles again led the league in sacks taken (51), and also interceptions thrown (19). However, the season was also a success for the second-year quarterback in many ways. Bortles set the Jaguars single-season franchise records for passing touchdowns (35), passing yards, (4,428), pass completions (355), and pass attempts (606).[36][37] His 90-yard touchdown throw to Allen Robinson in week 16 was the longest in the NFL that year. His passer rating was above 80 in eleven games, and he threw a touchdown pass in the Jaguars' first 15 games of 2015, a franchise record. After throwing no touchdowns in the regular season finale, he shared second place with Eli Manning, Cam Newton, and Carson Palmer, behind only Tom Brady's 36. He was also seventh in the NFL in passing yards with 4,428, behind Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Brady, Palmer, Matt Ryan, and Manning. He was ranked 56th by his fellow players on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2016.[38]


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Oh Kevin. I agree with some things you say about rt My take is that he has peaked. This what we have in a qb but to say Bortles is better absolutely insane.


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Makchell wrote:
Oh Kevin. I agree with some things you say about rt My take is that he has peaked. This what we have in a qb but to say Bortles is better absolutely insane.

4000 yards 35 td...Still waiting for that from Tannehill.

Oh and he was sacked 50 times that year...There goes that excuse.


Tannehill isn't as good as Osweiler for God's sake.


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Tannehill / Osweiller.
Best 1 - 2 punch in the league.
Ride it to February.

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Kev....Bortles has 35 yards in the 3rd quarter. Check mate


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Hey stick with Brock.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:16 pm 
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Osweiler made Chicago look like Tampa.


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Makchell wrote:
Kev....Bortles has 35 yards in the 3rd quarter. Check mate

Tannehill sat out because his whimp hurt again :haha


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FINesse wrote:
Tannehill / Osweiller.
Best 1 - 2 punch in the league.
Ride it to February.

We always have the best backup qb's around...The come in and play better than even the starter.


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You’re reaching now kev. Bortles sucks


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Hey I agreed that rt isn’t the answer but come on man. Bortles?


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Bortles "big season" came with a 5-11 team and plenty of garbage time stats. Teams figured him out and the rest has been history.

I agree with Kev that Tannehill probably isn't the answer, but saying Bortles is better doesn't validate that at all. Statistics and W-L record disproves both. Tannehill is better, but that still isn't saying much.

Osweiler just had a good game, some luck as well, against an opponent that didn't plan for him. Do it next week against Detroit and keep building from there. History will say that Osweiler will not become much but hey, if we are waiting on another Miami guy from that same draft class to finally "blossom" then why not give Brock a shot?

I'm open to all QB ideas at this point.


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It appears one of the reasons Tannehill went from OK to pretty bad after the Oakland game is because of an injured throwing shoulder. This explains why he went from very accurate early in the season to missing rudimentary throws against the Pats and Bengals.

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Hey Tannehill has another excuse.


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jammer wrote:
Bortles "big season" came with a 5-11 team and plenty of garbage time stats. Teams figured him out and the rest has been history.

I agree with Kev that Tannehill probably isn't the answer, but saying Bortles is better doesn't validate that at all. Statistics and W-L record disproves both. Tannehill is better, but that still isn't saying much.

Osweiler just had a good game, some luck as well, against an opponent that didn't plan for him. Do it next week against Detroit and keep building from there. History will say that Osweiler will not become much but hey, if we are waiting on another Miami guy from that same draft class to finally "blossom" then why not give Brock a shot?

I'm open to all QB ideas at this point.


Win loss record? What is his playoff win loss record again...Because Bortles started an AFC championship game.

Tannehils numbers only come during important games. Like SF SD not garbage time :haha


In 2017, Bortles helped the Jacksonville Jaguars reach the playoffs for the first time since 2007, defeating the Buffalo Bills and the Pittsburgh Steelers on their way to their first AFC Championship Game since 1999. The Jaguars lost to the New England Patriots 20–24.


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Bortles career record and stats are worse than Tannehill. There is no argument against that. Bortles stinking his way through a season and getting picked up by an elite defense and ground game that had 2300 yards and 18 TDs doesn't change that. I'd argue the same thing if Tannehill lucked his way into Leonard Fournette and the league's 2nd ranked defense.

If Miami picked up the phone and offered a healthy Tannehill for Bortles this past spring there wouldn't have even been a hesitation from Jax to make the deal.

Both teams need better QB play and that is where the comparison ends.


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Bortles vs NE 2018
29-45 376yds
4td 1 int
35 rush yds.
Win.

Tannehill vs. NE 2018
11-22 100yds 0 td 1int fumble
Loss


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Kev1321 wrote:
Bortles vs NE 2018
29-45 376yds
4td 1 int
35 rush yds.
Win.

Tannehill vs. NE 2018
11-22 100yds 0 td 1int fumble
Loss


Tannehill beat the Pats on his home turf the last three times he played them, and without the help of an elite defense. Doesn't get the Pats until December where he won't have the heat slowing down their defense like like Bortles did.

How does that anecdotal comparison change anything?

Tannehill vs TEN (at home)

20-28, 230 yards, 2 TDs 2 Ints Win (offense generated 20 points)


Bortles vs TEN (at home)

21-34, 155 yards, Loss (offense generated 6 points)

I don't think that statistical comparison makes Tannehill light years better this year, but those number from one game would make it appear so.


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jammer wrote:
Kev1321 wrote:
Bortles vs NE 2018
29-45 376yds
4td 1 int
35 rush yds.
Win.

Tannehill vs. NE 2018
11-22 100yds 0 td 1int fumble
Loss


Tannehill beat the Pats on his home turf the last three times he played them, and without the help of an elite defense. Doesn't get the Pats until December where he won't have the heat slowing down their defense like like Bortles did.

How does that anecdotal comparison change anything?

Tannehill vs TEN (at home)

20-28, 230 yards, 2 TDs 2 Ints Win (offense generated 20 points)


Bortles vs TEN (at home)

21-34, 155 yards, Loss (offense generated 6 points)

I don't think that statistical comparison makes Tannehill light years better this year, but those number from one game would make it appear so.


Your use of logic is impecable but as has been shown so often I am afraid it will be lost on the one intended.


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The Patriots were in give up mode... Much like when Moore played the Jets and Bills?(funny how that works to defend Tannehill)..
You understand that right.... Your certainly not counting games when the Patriots were resting players?

Stats from this year tell a tale the excuse makers don't like..


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AQNOR wrote:
jammer wrote:
Kev1321 wrote:
Bortles vs NE 2018
29-45 376yds
4td 1 int
35 rush yds.
Win.

Tannehill vs. NE 2018
11-22 100yds 0 td 1int fumble
Loss


Tannehill beat the Pats on his home turf the last three times he played them, and without the help of an elite defense. Doesn't get the Pats until December where he won't have the heat slowing down their defense like like Bortles did.

How does that anecdotal comparison change anything?

Tannehill vs TEN (at home)

20-28, 230 yards, 2 TDs 2 Ints Win (offense generated 20 points)


Bortles vs TEN (at home)

21-34, 155 yards, Loss (offense generated 6 points)

I don't think that statistical comparison makes Tannehill light years better this year, but those number from one game would make it appear so.


Your use of logic is impecable but as has been shown so often I am afraid it will be lost on the one intended.

You are like a cheerleader.


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Kev1321 wrote:
The Patriots were in give up mode... Much like when Moore played the Jets and Bills?(funny how that works to defend Tannehill)..
You understand that right.... Your certainly not counting games when the Patriots were resting players?

Stats from this year tell a tale the excuse makers don't like..


Pats in 2015 I'll grant you, but how were the Pats in give up mode in the 1st game of 2014 and in an important late season divisional game in 2013? I was at the game in 2013, they weren't resting anyone or mailing it in.

Stats from this year:

Tannehill - 92.9 QB Rating, 65.9% Comp 7.5 Y/A 8 TDs 5 INTs (3-2 record) 25th Ranked Defense

Bortles - 81.1 QB Rating, 61.7% Comp 7.1 Y/A 9 TDs 8 INTs (3-3 record) 2nd Ranked Defense


What am I missing?


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Kev1321 wrote:
AQNOR wrote:
jammer wrote:
Kev1321 wrote:
Bortles vs NE 2018
29-45 376yds
4td 1 int
35 rush yds.
Win.

Tannehill vs. NE 2018
11-22 100yds 0 td 1int fumble
Loss


Tannehill beat the Pats on his home turf the last three times he played them, and without the help of an elite defense. Doesn't get the Pats until December where he won't have the heat slowing down their defense like like Bortles did.

How does that anecdotal comparison change anything?

Tannehill vs TEN (at home)

20-28, 230 yards, 2 TDs 2 Ints Win (offense generated 20 points)


Bortles vs TEN (at home)

21-34, 155 yards, Loss (offense generated 6 points)

I don't think that statistical comparison makes Tannehill light years better this year, but those number from one game would make it appear so.


Your use of logic is impecable but as has been shown so often I am afraid it will be lost on the one intended.

You are like a cheerleader.


Thanks. : )


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Doesn't get the Pats until December where he won't have the heat slowing down their defense like like Bortles did.

Built in excuses already.......


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Doesn't get the Pats until December where he won't have the heat slowing down their defense like like Bortles did.

Built in excuses already.......


If that is how you want to classify then ok. If the situation were reversed I'm fairly positive you'd say "let's see Tannehill do it when he doesn't have the Florida heat exhausting defenders." TV announcers literally said you could see the Florida heat throwing NE off and Jax is taking full advantage of it. Same as if a southern team had to play in the snow.


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I think we can all agree that rt has hit his cieling and we need an upgrade. BUT Bortles isn’t any better


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Makchell wrote:
I think we can all agree that rt has hit his cieling and we need an upgrade. BUT Bortles isn’t any better

He has shown more potential...Had a huge year. Something Tannehill can not say..


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