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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:16 am 
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This part of the article was written after Barry Jackson pooled a lot of positive information on Tannehill, one of which had Duper saying that "Dan [Marino] likes him" (after Duper sounded like us). After reading all of this, The Tuna made a major mistake in not taking Matt Ryan even though Jake Long was one of my favorite draft picks by the Dolphins. You NEVER pass on a starting caliber quarterback if you need a starting quarterback. If you pick in the top 5, chances are that you do not have a quarterback and you must pick one. And reaching is not a good idea.


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Among my findings from an analysis of drafts since 2000:

1) Of the 124 quarterbacks drafted between the fourth and seventh rounds from 2000 to 2016, only three became above average starters (future Hall of Famer Tom Brady, Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins) and three became average starters (Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, David Garrard). That’s six out of 124, an awful percentage. So not drafting someone like Luke Falk can be justified that way.

2) Even if the Dolphins had drafted a quarterback in the first three rounds, his chance of success wouldn’t be great.

Between 2000 and 2016, 45 quarterbacks were selected in the first round. Fifteen (one-third) became above average starters and nine average starters. That leaves 21 who were busts or close to it. I would be shocked if safety Minkah Fitzpatrick is a bust.

3) Between 2000 and 2016, 19 quarterbacks were selected in the second round. Only three became above average starters (future Hall of Famer Drew Brees, Derek Carr and based on a small sample size, Jimmy Garappolo). Two became average or slightly better (Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick). That means 14 of the 19 never even became multiyear starters.

4) And there’s this: Of the 21 quarterbacks selected in the third round between 2000 and 2016, just three proved to be above average (Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Matt Schaub) and another (Josh McCown) was average. So that’s 17 failures in 21 tries.

Bottom line: Maybe the Dolphins were wise in drafting players more likely to succeed at other positions.

“The way the draft fell and the offseason fell, they were better off doing what they decided to do,” Simms said. “When you talk about a capable backup, drafting one of the top four guys [in the 2018 draft], you are not talking about a backup. You are talking this is going to be our guy. Looking at their team, do you want to go through stages of developing another quarterback? My thought would be no. Now they’ve got to win.”


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:08 am 
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That’s why I say draft a QB every year.


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Yep.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:11 am 
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A bunch of these guys drafted 4th round or later (and UDFA) probably won't even make it thru final cuts. Miami can snag one of them if they want.

Sounds like Bryce Petty is the developmental guy, and I doubt he even makes the final roster. He was a better prospect a few years ago than most of the guys we discussed pre draft.


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You can either play the position or you can’t. 2 seasons is enough to see if u have a starter or not imo. Look around the league


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I will never pound the table for a non 1st round QB again.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:09 pm 
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Makchell wrote:
You can either play the position or you can’t. 2 seasons is enough to see if u have a starter or not imo. Look around the league


Aaron Rodgers was so bad in camp and preseason for 3 years that GB spent a high pick on a QB the year Favre left.

Drew Brees was benched and kicked to the curb after year 3.

Alex Smith was among the worst QBs for 6 seasons.

Eli Manning couldn't crack a 77 QBR until year 5.

Kirk Cousins had a 58 QBR in year 2 and was benched after 6 games in year 3.

Tyrod Taylor didn't get a true shot until year 5.


Plenty of other examples of young QBs in bad situations stunting their growth, or being projects due to their college system. Petty is a long shot at best, but he was as highly touted as any mid round guy in this draft.


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jammer wrote:
Aaron Rodgers was so bad in camp and preseason for 3 years that GB spent a high pick on a QB the year Favre left.

Drew Brees was benched and kicked to the curb after year 3.

Alex Smith was among the worst QBs for 6 seasons.

Eli Manning couldn't crack a 77 QBR until year 5.

Kirk Cousins had a 58 QBR in year 2 and was benched after 6 games in year 3.

Tyrod Taylor didn't get a true shot until year 5.


Plenty of other examples of young QBs in bad situations stunting their growth, or being projects due to their college system. Petty is a long shot at best, but he was as highly touted as any mid round guy in this draft.


Let's hope you can add Ryan Tannehill to this list of QBs who make good after their first 2 years. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that he could quiet (not silence) his critics this year.

And if he does, I'll still want us to draft a QB next year. And every year.


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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
I will never pound the table for a non 1st round QB again.


:haha

I was thinking the same thing. Well, I might tap the table;)

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We simply don't need a qb anyway..No use in looking.


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Big Dave wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. Well, I might tap the table;)


Yeah. I either didn’t know or forgot how strong those numbers were. Goes to show you how truly lucky this New England dynasty is.

Those numbers aren’t just telling you no. They are telling you HELL NO. I’m dead serious. No QBs outside the first round.

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Year 7 is the year!


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Year 7 is the year!


it better be because......

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/07/10/2019- ... will-grier

(ps. .....you need plenty of delusion and hope to ignore six years proof. Dolphins management is at the top of that list and they along with those that keep beating their heads on the Tannehill wall will soon find out they blew it in this year's draft).


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jammer wrote:

Aaron Rodgers was so bad in camp and preseason for 3 years that GB spent a high pick on a QB the year Favre left.

Drew Brees was benched and kicked to the curb after year 3.

Alex Smith was among the worst QBs for 6 seasons.

Eli Manning couldn't crack a 77 QBR until year 5.

Kirk Cousins had a 58 QBR in year 2 and was benched after 6 games in year 3.

Tyrod Taylor didn't get a true shot until year 5.


Plenty of other examples of young QBs in bad situations stunting their growth, or being projects due to their college system. Petty is a long shot at best, but he was as highly touted as any mid round guy in this draft.

Rich Gannon was 34 yrs old before he got the chance of being a full time starter. Only thing he did was lead Oakland to the SB and win MVP at age 37.

Point being. You never know.


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He also won a starting job and wasn't carrying a 20 million dollar price tag.


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