View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:02 am



Reply to topic  [ 54 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
 Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami 
Author Message
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:55 pm
Posts: 5439
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
joeschmoe wrote:

Looks like I got pinned with MT's qoute lol


Oops. I fixed it.

_________________
Image


Thu May 20, 2010 12:13 pm
Profile
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:55 pm
Posts: 5439
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
MTFan wrote:
I liked Wes, except for the 12 fumbles in 3 years just in the return game


Ok, couple of things. 1. You're ok with Ginn's inability to hold onto the ball, but it's bad when Welker does it? 2. Welker did have a fumble problem from fighting for extra yards on punts. He learned though, and diving for extra yardage on punts and kicks became less of an occurrence for him as he learned. Ginn on the other hand fumbled, and continued to fumble despite less touches.

The number of times they fumbled per touch is identical at 32.8 touches per fumble, however as Welker's touches increased, his fumbles did too. Ginn saw less touches, but the same number of fumbles per touch.

This doesn't include drops.

Anyway, the point is, Welker gave Miami more points on returns than Ginn.

_________________
Image


Thu May 20, 2010 12:26 pm
Profile
Phinfever Veteran
Phinfever Veteran

Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:38 pm
Posts: 545
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
Iowafin wrote:
MTFan wrote:
I liked Wes, except for the 12 fumbles in 3 years just in the return game


Ok, couple of things. 1. You're ok with Ginn's inability to hold onto the ball, but it's bad when Welker does it? 2. Just in the return game? You are wrong there. 3. Welker did have a fumble problem from fighting for extra yards on punts. He learned though, and diving for extra yardage on punts and kicks became less of an occurrence for him as he learned. Ginn on the other hand fumbled, and continued to fumble despite less touches.

The number of times they fumbled per touch is identical at 32.8 touches per fumble, however as Welker's touches increased, his fumbles did too. Ginn saw less touches, but the same number of fumbles per touch.

This doesn't include drops.

Anyway, the point is, Welker gave Miami more points on returns than Ginn.


ok, I was just trying to point out Welker fumbled more than Ginn; since the fumbles are the one thing you love to bring up about Ginn. If you take the fair catches out; Welker fumbled every 19 touches and Ginn every 24 touches.

And yes, Welker did fumble 12 times just in the return game in the 3 years he was with Miami


Thu May 20, 2010 12:35 pm
Profile
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:55 pm
Posts: 5439
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
MTFan wrote:
ok, I was just trying to point out Welker fumbled more than Ginn; since the fumbles are the one thing you love to bring up about Ginn. If you take the fair catches out; Welker fumbled every 19 touches and Ginn every 24 touches.


You don't have a punt return tally if you don't return it. My numbers figure in the total number of touches. They fumbled equally over the three year span, but Welker fumbled less as he matured. Ginn fumbled more per touch...and as I said, that does not include drops.

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Ginn was/is a below average player.

_________________
Image


Thu May 20, 2010 12:50 pm
Profile
Phinfever Veteran
Phinfever Veteran

Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:38 pm
Posts: 545
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
Iowafin wrote:
but Welker fumbled less as he matured. Ginn fumbled more per touch...


not true on both accounts

Iowafin wrote:
I'm not sure what you're arguing. Ginn was/is a below average player.


You and schmoe irrationally bash Ginn and I stick up for him, simple as that.


Thu May 20, 2010 2:37 pm
Profile
Phinfever Global Moderator
Phinfever Global Moderator

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:28 am
Posts: 7532
Location: Massachusetts
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
MTFan wrote:
Iowafin wrote:
but Welker fumbled less as he matured. Ginn fumbled more per touch...


not true on both accounts

Iowafin wrote:
I'm not sure what you're arguing. Ginn was/is a below average player.


You and schmoe irrationally bash Ginn and I stick up for him, simple as that.


Irrationally bash?

MT man, Ginn got his chance here and blew it..time after time. Yeah, he showed signs of his big play ability, but more times than not, let's face it, he was either dropping a pass on 3rd down, muffing a punt, or running a kick back to the 10 before going out of bounds.

He was a bust here. End of discussion.


Thu May 20, 2010 3:03 pm
Profile
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:55 pm
Posts: 5439
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
MTFan wrote:
Iowafin wrote:
but Welker fumbled less as he matured. Ginn fumbled more per touch...

not true on both accounts

Wes Welker
2004- 104 touches, 4 fumbles
26 touches for every fumble
2005-2006- 290 touches, 8 fumbles
36.25 touches for every fumble
Ted Ginn
2007- 125 touches, 3 fumbles
41.6 touches for every fumble
2008-2009- 207 touches, 7 fumbles
28 touches for every fumble



Yes. It is true. Math is fun...irrationally bash him? Hardly.

_________________
Image


Thu May 20, 2010 3:04 pm
Profile
Phinfever Veteran
Phinfever Veteran

Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:38 pm
Posts: 545
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
Iowafin wrote:
Yes. It is true. Math is fun...irrationally bash him? Hardly.


Yes, math can be fun. So much fun that you should try again and let me know who matured more, because Ginn had an impressive 51 touches per fumble in 09.


Thu May 20, 2010 4:07 pm
Profile
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:55 pm
Posts: 5439
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
MTFan wrote:
Iowafin wrote:
Yes. It is true. Math is fun...irrationally bash him? Hardly.


Yes, math can be fun. So much fun that you should try again and let me know who matured more, because Ginn had an impressive 51 touches per fumble in 09.


That's easy to do when you only touch the ball 102 times. Try to keep things in perspective there, Silver.

_________________
Image


Thu May 20, 2010 4:22 pm
Profile
Phinfever Starter
Phinfever Starter
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:41 pm
Posts: 184
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
Seems kinda silly to debate this long after Ginn's departure ain't it? Face it, we wasted a 1st round pick. Simple as that. He was fast. Had potential, but his time to shine ran out with his lack of production. At best, he was an average player. LOL, in fact, the 1st round pick for Jax this year kinda reminded me of Ginn's pick. Time to start talking about the future with B.Marshall in the squad.


Thu May 20, 2010 7:28 pm
Profile
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend

Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:05 pm
Posts: 2436
Location: NSW, Australia
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
rmelendez wrote:
Seems kinda silly to debate this long after Ginn's departure ain't it? Face it, we wasted a 1st round pick. Simple as that. He was fast. Had potential, but his time to shine ran out with his lack of production. At best, he was an average player. LOL, in fact, the 1st round pick for Jax this year kinda reminded me of Ginn's pick. Time to start talking about the future with B.Marshall in the squad.


Agree with most of that. Let's forget about the Ginn experiment. It's too painful to think of the era of all the wasted draft picks. Ginn was a bad pick from the time we heard "And with the 10th pick in the draft the Miami Dolphins choose... Ted Ginn." It just got worse from there.

Let start talking about the future and not a waste of roster space from the past.


Thu May 20, 2010 10:21 pm
Profile
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:30 am
Posts: 2434
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
...even worse....Ginn was selected with the 9th pick.

Oh well, he had potential and didn't live up to it. If we had not drafted him, then I imagine we would have taken Brady Quinn. I don't know whether or not that would have worked out any better. I really was excited about Ginn's abilities when he was drafted....and he flashed his speed in some nice reverses, returns and an OCCASIONAL big pass play....but he was never worthy of his lofty draft status. A shame, because I think he had all the God given talent necessary to be a big time player in the NFL...but he seems too timid and concerned with his physical safety on every play. Don't be surprised if Singletary might be the guy that can turn Ginn around though. I doubt it....but if there is any guy out there who could motivate him it is Singletary.

_________________
Image
Philbin's countenance exudes confidence!
1984 was so long ago...Will there ever be another rainbow?


Sat May 22, 2010 5:20 pm
Profile
2013 Phinfever VIP Donor
2013 Phinfever VIP Donor
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:19 am
Posts: 257
Location: Sherwood Park, Alberta
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
FrustratedFinFan wrote:
...even worse....Ginn was selected with the 9th pick.


What's worse than that?...Darrelle Revis taken five picks later!. :hithead:


Sat May 22, 2010 6:56 pm
Profile
Phinfever Legend
Phinfever Legend

Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:05 pm
Posts: 2436
Location: NSW, Australia
Post Re: Ted Ginn starts in San Francisco like he left off in Miami
FrustratedFinFan wrote:
...even worse....Ginn was selected with the 9th pick.

Oh well, he had potential and didn't live up to it. If we had not drafted him, then I imagine we would have taken Brady Quinn. I don't know whether or not that would have worked out any better. I really was excited about Ginn's abilities when he was drafted....and he flashed his speed in some nice reverses, returns and an OCCASIONAL big pass play....but he was never worthy of his lofty draft status. A shame, because I think he had all the God given talent necessary to be a big time player in the NFL...but he seems too timid and concerned with his physical safety on every play. Don't be surprised if Singletary might be the guy that can turn Ginn around though. I doubt it....but if there is any guy out there who could motivate him it is Singletary.


As poor as he wsa, Cameron wasn't big on Quinn. His words were something like, "you can't teach an innacurate QB to be accurate." Nobody knows who the next choice would have been. It's just a shame he wasted it on a guy who's biggest upside was on special teams. Using a top 10 pick to improve your special temas is a formula for failure.


Sat May 22, 2010 10:06 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 54 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: dolphinjim, Google [Bot] and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007, 2010 phpBB Group.
Designed by Coots & IamPZ - Phinfever.com.