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8:56 a.m. EST, January 14, 2014

1. Nothing demands an annual defense of the Republic quite like an attack on Dan Marino not winning a ring. And it’s that time again. CBS teammate Shannon Sharpe leveled a broadside on-air attack Sunday at Marino.

“Do Super Bowl championships validate greatness or not?” studio host James Brown asked.

“For a quarterback –at the end of the day – you don’t even get to get into this discussion if you don’t have a championship,” Sharpe said. ...

As for Marino and his ring, what happened? That’s easy. Watching his career play out made me re-think whether championship rings are the defining evidence of greatness. Because let’s look at the teams he was on.

In nine of his 17 years, his offenses were ranked in the top 10 in scoring. Three times his defenses were in the top 10. And never did they line up. That’s his career in three sentences.

The best, lost chance was his beginning when from 1984-87 the Dolphins ranked 1, 1,4 and 1 in the league in scoring. The defense in that time ranked 22nd, 17th, 26th and 12th in giving up points. ...

So in the losing playoff games in the years of Marino’s best defensive support, the Dolphins’ defense yielded an average 39.6 points per game. ...


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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
Hey Shannon, the only reason you're on tv is because you could catch a ball.

Period.

It's definetly not for your great orating skills.

Learn to put a sentence together without mumbling, then maybe we can talk.


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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
Easy for Sharpe to say, He was lucky enough to play on Great teams.

Much harder to win Super Bowls back then, there was no parody like today. Major road blocks in the way such as dominant Buffalo teams and San Fran. dynasty.

And lady luck plays a big role too, like the Bengal defender dropping the pick that cost Esiason a ring.
The Steelers have always gotten the good fortune instead of the bad breaks that the Raiders always got.


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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
I like Sharp, he is hilarious, but this time he is wrong.

He is on the show to be funny and make contrary statements. It's working, we are talking about the show.

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
I wasnt' a big Shannon Sharpe fan when he played for the Broncos and Ravens ... primarily his comments directed at Dan Marino when he was with the Broncos. He was a tremendous athlete and that at times makes them feel they have the license to insult other players.

I do think he does a good job on the CBS Sports show, but I wouldn't have minded if Dan decided to fire a bullet at his big mouth.

Great quarterbacks accumulate great stats. When they break NFL records then they deserve to be in the conversation of who is the greatest. Super Bowls are won with Super teams.

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
Am I wrong to say Marino ranks higher among QBs than Sharp does among TEs?

Don't get me wrong, Sharp was a great TE, but I think Marino performed better at his job as QB.

I have to give it up though, Sharp's speech when he went into the HOF was awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWzPd8fvS-M

Shannon should apply his same appreciation for Sterling to Dan.

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
Marino would throw for 60 tds in this day and age. If we never drafted him, we would have sucked for over 30 years instead of 13 years.


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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
If this were present time we would have drafted Weeden over Marino.

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
I have never liked equating championships with position success. You are either great or you aren't, based on numbers and leadership. I know that Marino would probably have the ring, but to me the HOF is a better indication of success (most of the time). There are a ton of examples I could post but I am assuming everyone on here knows them already. It's very similar to saying a pitcher isn't the best because his TEAM didn't win the World Series, ridiculous!

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
rodneyfaile wrote:
Am I wrong to say Marino ranks higher among QBs than Sharp does among TEs?


If I remember correctly, Shannon Sharpe was fast for a tight end and slow for a wide receiver. He was a so-so blocker.

Mule-face should have found a more tactful way of expressing his opinion without insulting Marino and Boomer on the show.



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Shannon Sharpe knocks Dan Marino and Boomer Esiason
By Angela Sun January 13, 2014 3:50 AM Yahoo! Sports Minute

Former Miami Dolphins quarterback Dan Marino is considered by many to be one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history. Former Cincinnati Bengals (and New York Jets and Arizona Cardinals) quarterback Boomer Esiason wasn't too bad either. The blond-headed lefty won the 1988 NFL MVP award and came within a Joe Montana-to-John Taylor connection of hoisting the Lombardi Trophy. But both have one glaring omission on their career resumes: each famously never won a Super Bowl. Hall of Fame tight end Shannon Sharpe, on the other hand, won the big game three times — twice with the Denver Broncos and once as a member of the Baltimore Ravens.

The trio are now part of The NFL Today on CBS and when a discussion came up Sunday about Peyton Manning's legacy, things got interesting: Sharpe knocked quarterbacks without championship rings — in front of Marino and Esiason.

When asked by studio host James Brown, "Do Super Bowl championships validate greatness or not?" Sharpe jumped in to respond.

"For a quarterback — at the end of the day — you don't even get to get into this discussion if you don't have a championship."

Marino then spoke up, "That's the one thing I don't have and I wish I had that feeling. Boomer Esiason walked off the field and he was winning his Super Bowl. A guy dropped an interception or he would've had a Super Bowl ring."

Sharpe later backtracked, "Let's not get carried away. There are a lot of guys that have Super Bowl rings that are less quarterbacks than Dan Marino."


Get carried away?! But Shannon — you're the one who brought it up! Sharpe also failed to mention Esiason in his half-hearted retraction. So which is it? Can a quarterback be great without a ring? It seems like Sharpe isn't even sure.


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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
Guys, Marino was great, but he never won a Championship at any level.

Lesser QB's have won Super Bowls, it goes both ways.

We should have gone in 1985 and probably won it, but got upset by the Patriots.

We destroyed the great Chicago Bears team in 1985, and Marino shredded the Bears, they actually had a great coach that designed a great game plane.

After losing to the 49ers in the Super Bowl, in 1984 season, we beat that same 49ers team pretty bad the next season.

Unfortunately, Champs are measured by titles and rings, not greatness.

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
Championships are won by teams. The HOF is won by individual effort.


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Dan Marino, always a class act, responds to it with humor later in the week.


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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
What I hate most about the "rings" argument is that it isn't even consistent. I've yet to see Aikman listed as a top 5 or even top 10 QB buy the rings people, despite the fact he has 3. Bradshaw isn't mentioned as being the equal of Montana and they both have 4.

Of course we all know the reason why. They assign the surrounding cast, the team, more credit.
But Marino defenders are wrong when we mention the surrounding cast.

How about Marino was the GOAT because he made his teams competitive, he won a ton of games, he broke a million records
AND nobody threw the ball better.

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
If you divide up greatness into pieces of a pie , super bowl rings would be a percentage of that pie but a small one. As of right now I dont think anyone can argue that Marino is not a top 5 QB of all time. Nobody can argue he was not great , nobody can argue that as long as he was on the field his team had a chance to win (which by the way is a huge piece of that pie IMO). AS time goes by does he maybe get knocked out of the top 5 tier ... maybe because arguing that when Brady & Manning retire they are both better is pretty valid but again , its opinion. In my opinion Brady is the best I ever seen but not to get anyone here all crazy ,its all speculative.
However , implying that Marino is lesser because he never won a ring in my opinion does not hold much water. True , Champs are measured by titles & rings but nobody here is saying Marino is a champ but he sure was great.

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
Brady is the best EVER!!!!!.........................at throwing screen passes.
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"Joe Montana was a product of a system, Dan Marino is a system." - Bill Walsh

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Post Re: Hyde5: Why Shannon Sharpe was wrong on Dan Marino, rings
I always loved Dan Marino, but, and I say but, I do not agree with his personal life decision. I wont reflect on it, but he was good.

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