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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:57 pm 
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Admittedly, this post is for Carreramia, who scoffed at the idea many years ago when I said Welker would get consideration for the HOF. As I recall, he called him a creamy-legged systems guy who benefitted from super QBs.

Anyway, I just read this paragraph in an article on the Sentinel.
"The NFL announced 129 modern-era nominees for the Hall of Fame 2023 class this week with Dolphins wide receivers coach Wes Welker among them."


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:43 am 
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I think he was 129.4 on the list and they simply rounded.

“Consideration”, eh? Impressive. Consideration was by the way what my friend’s dad would say to him when he asked for the keys to his ’65 Mustang, the old man’s pride and joy. He would say: “Don’t worry son, I’ll take it under consideration”. Needless to say, there we went on our Schwinns.

Anyway, that short yardage, first down machine built by Tom Brady and Associates should not be in the same constellation much less in littl’ ol’ Canton, as true HOF’ers, like, hmmmm, I don’t know, Jerry Rice? Lynn Swann? Don Hutson? Lionel Taylor? Raymond Berry?!

But I understand, your mathematical leanings force your imbalance in this equation, somehow linking quantity to quality. They are not the same thing.


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I think he may get into the HOF on the first try. When teams faced the Patriots they had to gameplan for Welker and that was always difficult. The reason why 'Cheat had to have him is because creating a gameplan to stop Welker frustrated him when he played for the Dolphins. He has the rings (that always elevates a very good player in the eyes of the voters) and he was critical to the Patriots success as Brady depended on him.

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carreramia wrote:
I think he was 129.4 on the list and they simply rounded.

“Consideration”, eh? Impressive. Consideration was by the way what my friend’s dad would say to him when he asked for the keys to his ’65 Mustang, the old man’s pride and joy. He would say: “Don’t worry son, I’ll take it under consideration”. Needless to say, there we went on our Schwinns.

Anyway, that short yardage, first down machine built by Tom Brady and Associates should not be in the same constellation much less in littl’ ol’ Canton, as true HOF’ers, like, hmmmm, I don’t know, Jerry Rice? Lynn Swann? Don Hutson? Lionel Taylor? Raymond Berry?!

But I understand, your mathematical leanings force your imbalance in this equation, somehow linking quantity to quality. They are not the same thing.


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Eh, you can obtusify all you want, but the fact of the matter is that you are wrong yet again on player evaluation!

As I recall, I said Welker would get consideration for the HOF, and you scoffed. I never said he would get in (and I doubt he will). But, getting on this list counts as consideration ... most players won't even sniff this type of recognition.

Oh, and I would take Welker over Swann any day. What did Swann have, four great catches in his entire career? Sure, they were in big moments. But Welker was better.


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carreramia wrote:
IConsideration was by the way what my friend’s dad would say to him when he asked for the keys to his ’65 Mustang, the old man’s pride and joy.


I just got mine fixed and retooled last year. Soft top.

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Oh, and I would take Welker over Swann any day. What did Swann have, four great catches in his entire career? Sure, they were in big moments. But Welker was better.


Of course you would, seeing the mess you’ve made all these 20+ odd years of failed predictions and analysis of Dolphins success. Swann was poetic in his game, if WRs wouldn’t be insulted I would call him a true ballerina of the position. He was certainly no dink and dunk receiver, averaging over 16 yards per reception, and he did this at a time in the NFL when DBs (like Lester Hayes), could be hitting (and “sticking”), WRs all they way down the field without impunity, and he still had as many TD catches but in about one third the number of the receptions. Imagine his production in the pass happy era that Welker played in.

For his part, littl’ Wesley, and his Mickey Mouse 11 yards avg., was a snot nosed hard worker who ran the same patterns dozens of others would and all he had to do was catch another perfectly timed and placed throw from you know who, and then go out of bounds. Similar or exactly by the way the same as Julian Edelman. What number in your meaningless “consideration list” was Edelman, eh?

Don’t bother, that list means nothing except for your purposes. What is this “consideration list” anyhow? I never heard of such a thing, but I’ll venture a guess. It’s simply another analytical mumbo jumbo used by the dozens of talking heads and media that if not for the internet would be driving Ubers or something. They simply have nothing better to do than think up of ways to twist a number anyway it pleases their pre determined conclusion, especially for those that labor in similar endeavors. Ahem!


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