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Tua loses to Georgia and all of a sudden no one wants him. Last year was his first year as a college starting QB. I really like the kid. I'm not too much into south-paw type quarterbacks, but the talent is undeniable. Sign me up for Tua.











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I do not like Tua at all.


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Do you know any southpaw QBs with his arch & throwing posture that had real success in the pros?



His motions remind me of Tebow. Not comparing the two’s game but their throwing motion is very similar.

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And I mena, let's be honest here, that "BOMB" to Jeudy for 81 yards... he was so wide open, I could've made that throw... and you know... I'm blind and everything.


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Would not touch him. I like Fromm but still think its an over rated QB class.


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Tua is undersized and his mechanics are that of a spread option QB. They rarely, if ever, have sustained success in this league.

I'm telling ya, the smart thing to do would be to beef up the trenches and trade some picks for picks in 2021, then grab Trevor Lawrence out of Clemson if Rosen isn't performing behind a better line.


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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
Do you know any southpaw QBs with his arch & throwing posture that had real success in the pros?



His motions remind me of Tebow. Not comparing the two’s game but their throwing motion is very similar.


There is a major difference...Tua hits his targets with anticipation and accuracy.

He does subtle things in the pocket that reminds me of the greats and his ball placement is second to none.

I see Russell Wilson when I watch him play.


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There is a major difference...Tua hits his targets with anticipation and accuracy.

He does subtle things in the pocket that reminds me of the greats and his ball placement is second to none.

I see Russell Wilson when I watch him play.


That’s why I said I was only comparing their throwing motions.

I’d prefer this team to build the trenches & have Lawerence in mind for 2021.

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That’s why I said I was only comparing their throwing motions.

I’d prefer this team to build the trenches & have Lawerence in mind for 2021.


The only team that would deal the 1st overall pick would be Kansas City. Otherwise it will be very hard to plan to be 1st overall in 2021 at this point.

I get it, but if this team wisely spends their picks next year without drafting a QB they will not be picking 1st overall. I've seen enough Rosen film to know he'll be decent.

Tua may not have Lawrence's size, but I don't see that big of a difference between the two in terms of prospect caliber.

Still early and so much can change. What I like about both of them is the stage is not too big. Miami hasn't seen that in a long time.

Crossing my fingers that Rosen finds a way. His throwing motion is about as pretty as it gets.


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 Post subject: Re: Tua
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ArtieChokePhin wrote:
Tua is undersized and his mechanics are that of a spread option QB.


I strongly disagree with this. And I've yet to read a single scout describe that about him.

His release may not be the fastest, and he's already sustained injuries, but those are his only knocks.


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No QB prospect has been talked about the way Lawerence has outside of Peyton Manning & Luck. People are drooling over him.

He was literally born to play QB at the highest level. He has the body of a pocket passing wizard.

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
No QB prospect has been talked about the way Lawerence has outside of Peyton Manning & Luck. People are drooling over him.

He was literally born to play QB at the highest level. He has the body of a pocket passing wizard.


I don't disagree. But both he and Tua have roughly the same numbers and accomplishments relative to their time in CFB. Both don't shrink in the big moment.

Rodgers has a much better skill set than both Brees and Brady, yet they are all considered the best.

Just saying I don't think Miami can go wrong with Tua.


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ArtieChokePhin wrote:
Tua is undersized and his mechanics are that of a spread option QB. They rarely, if ever, have sustained success in this league.

I'm telling ya, the smart thing to do would be to beef up the trenches and trade some picks for picks in 2021, then grab Trevor Lawrence out of Clemson if Rosen isn't performing behind a better line.

I agree with this plan. Look how Cleveland waited and accumulated picks until they knew who they wanted to draft. Why draft a QB and stick him behind a crap line? Build the trenches in 2020, and draft the skilled positions in 2021.


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Get Tua.

If this year ends with us getting the first pick and we DONT take a QB with it, then I can’t imagine the reaction. A two year tank is impractical and unwarranted. If Flores and Grier got the goods, then this is a one year rebuild and 2020 season puts us in the range of 5-7 wins, and 2021 has us primed for 8-9 wins and maybe a 6 seed. Plus we have all that cap space.

No way do I endorse a two years of 1/2 win seasons.

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Is it a given that Lawrence will come out a year early in 2021? What if he decides to play instead?


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Get Tua.

If this year ends with us getting the first pick and we DONT take a QB with it, then I can’t imagine the reaction. A two year tank is impractical and unwarranted. If Flores and Grier got the goods, then this is a one year rebuild and 2020 season puts us in the range of 5-7 wins, and 2021 has us primed for 8-9 wins and maybe a 6 seed. Plus we have all that cap space.

No way do I endorse a two years of 1/2 win seasons.


That’s not the way I’m looking at it. This game is a marathon. Great careers span decades. An extra year of locking & loading the trenches in preparation for making a move on a player that has been put on the same pedestal as Andrew Luck & Peyton Manning coming out of college wouldn’t be tanking. Some people just love the definition of insanity. You’re trying to win a battle. I want to win the war.

The situation will be more clear this spring.

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jammer wrote:
There is a major difference...Tua hits his targets with anticipation and accuracy.

He does subtle things in the pocket that reminds me of the greats and his ball placement is second to none.

I see Russell Wilson when I watch him play.


Yep, see the same things when I watch Tua play. And, remember, I watched Russell Wilson for 3 years here at NC State and I do see the comparison. He reads defenses well and he has great accuracy. If I have the overall #1 pick, I'd be a fool to not draft him. He will be the best college QB to come out in a very long time who did it consistently year after year.

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I agree with this plan. Look how Cleveland waited and accumulated picks until they knew who they wanted to draft. Why draft a QB and stick him behind a crap line? Build the trenches in 2020, and draft the skilled positions in 2021.


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That isn't necessarily apples to apples. Cleveland didn't see Baker Mayfield two years out and say we are gearing up to get him. They identified him at some point his senior year and new they could get him after securing the 1st overall pick.

We are talking about identifying a guy in the 2021 draft and making sure we have the 1st overall pick to secure him. Even Cleveland wasn't trying for the 1st overall pick last year, they just sucked without tanking. I don't know how you tank two years in a row without the NFL investigating and possibly stripping you of the pick.

Miami is going to be able to "buy" two decent OL in free agency next year. They'll have $120 million in cash and no one on the roster to extend.


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AQNOR wrote:
Is it a given that Lawrence will come out a year early in 2021? What if he decides to play instead?


Unless he gets seriously hurt or craps the bed, he's a sure fire number one pick in 2021. No way he turns down those millions


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ArtieChokePhin wrote:
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Is it a given that Lawrence will come out a year early in 2021? What if he decides to play instead?


Unless he gets seriously hurt or craps the bed, he's a sure fire number one pick in 2021. No way he turns down those millions


A young person with options is not a sure thing in my mind, likely maybe but as you mentioned this is not a sure thing as uncounted on things like injuries do happen so to count on him being there is not a done deal imo.

Passing on Tua to get Lawrence then missing both would be so ... Not good.


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Guys....

Building up the trenches (which is kinda a major need) & riding with Rosen for another year to gear up for a generational QB is not tanking. I feel like people have already forgotten we have a young passer with great natural talent still on the roster.

It isn’t like we have John Beck eagerly awaiting his shot behind Fitzpatrick. There is upside. There are several scenarios that can have Miami land Lawrence.

None of them involve purposefully tanking.

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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
Guys....

Building up the trenches (which is kinda a major need) & riding with Rosen for another year to gear up for a generational QB is not tanking.


Whoever has the 1st overall pick in 2021 isn't passing on the chance for Lawrence (if he continues to build on what he did last year). I don't see how you can bank on getting him two years out when you have two excellent prospects (Tua, Love) staring you in the face this year.

If Miami has a top 5 pick in 2020 its going to be a QB.


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Just to be clear, my first hope is that Rosen succeeds. His throwing motion is second to none. He looks the part of a future franchise QB.

I don't know if the maturity issue is still there and clearly he isn't a ra ra leader (but plenty of successful QBs are not). He also may be too much of a gambler at this point.

It would be awesome if he came in, lifted the talent around him and Miami now had a top 10 pick (lets not go crazy with hope) which could be spent on another position. OL, secondary, pass rush...trust me they need help.


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A little info courtesy of PFN. According to them (and this relates to Miami drafting Minkah), if either Rosen or Allen were on the board at their pick in 2018 they would have pulled trigger.

This explains the trade for Rosen. Perhaps he'll get a chance after all?


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This is for ALL the hard work the front has put in to rebuild this team ... and our target. I'm sold. He was phenomenal yesterday.







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One game dave? Against a highschool football team?


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One game dave? Against a highschool football team?


They didn't play against Makchell State University. South Carolina is a legit program.


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One game dave? Against a highschool football team?


Knowing Dave a little bit I would not be surprised if he has seen other tape and or games and has put more thought into it than just this one game but I am sure he will correct me if I have misrepresented him.


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You are right jammer. Makchell state would destroy them.


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jammer wrote:
Just to be clear, my first hope is that Rosen succeeds. His throwing motion is second to none. He looks the part of a future franchise QB.

I don't know if the maturity issue is still there and clearly he isn't a ra ra leader (but plenty of successful QBs are not). He also may be too much of a gambler at this point.

It would be awesome if he came in, lifted the talent around him and Miami now had a top 10 pick (lets not go crazy with hope) which could be spent on another position. OL, secondary, pass rush...trust me they need help.


Exactly. (Does this forum not have a "like" button to use on posts like this?)


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Knowing Dave a little bit I would not be surprised if he has seen other tape and or games and has put more thought into it than just this one game but I am sure he will correct me if I have misrepresented him.


Thanks for giving me a little credit, Mark. I do put together a lot of tape on players, not just a couple of plays;) I'm not as crazy about college ball as Jammer or Tone used to be, but I do look at prospects from all over and I read a lot of analysis on players. If I say that a QB is special, he is special. I think people see that he is surrounded by a lot of talent at Alabama and that he lost the big game last year, but Tua does a lot of things with the football that shows that his mind is NFL ready. I like Rosen, but if he doesn't look like he is special then I would go ahead and draft Tua. You always want to improve EVERY position on your team. If you can improve the QB position you do it. We are in a rebuild.

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One game dave? Against a highschool football team?


Anthony, if I tell you there is cheese on the moon you'd better bring some crackers and get ready for some good eating, buddy.

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Ill bring the wine dave


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Tua comes here his career is over before it starts.


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Watch Tua pull an Eli Manning on draft day.


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You are right jammer. Makchell state would destroy them.


What is the average SAT score for students at this institution?


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jammer wrote:
Makchell wrote:
You are right jammer. Makchell state would destroy them.


What is the average SAT score for students at this institution?


The more appropriate questions to ask are what color their teeth are and what their relationship to their parents is.


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AFCMiamiEast wrote:
That’s not the way I’m looking at it. This game is a marathon. Great careers span decades. An extra year of locking & loading the trenches in preparation for making a move on a player that has been put on the same pedestal as Andrew Luck & Peyton Manning coming out of college wouldn’t be tanking. Some people just love the definition of insanity. You’re trying to win a battle. I want to win the war.

The situation will be more clear this spring.


Okay dude, who is your source? Now Mike Florio is reporting that league circles believe Miami is truly tanking for Lawrence. PFN, who has been sort of hinting Tua or Love, is now saying they won't comment just yet.

How on earth do you target a guy 2 years out when so many variables stand in your way to position the team to draft him?


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